Businesses are in Business to make money...

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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With all respect to everyone that comes on this site to complain about the state of Halo 5 in anyway, I’m not saying that your opinion doesn’t count, but it simply doesn’t matter…You are just another wave in the endless waves of disgruntled & disillusioned fans of Halo.
The level of anger & frustration directed at 343i due to the failings of TMCC & the disappointments of Halo 5 is nothing short of unprecedented, & with good reason, but none of the endless complaints have made any difference at all & instead wave after wave have swept through various social media sites, review sites, fan sites, YouTube & right here on the official forums, yet what has changed? Nothing.
In the end everyone will just have to realize 1 simple thing…343i is just a business, & businesses are in business to make money, that’s all they care about…Bottom line.
343i will go with whatever decisions that will make them the most profit, so the inclusion of parkour style gameplay, boosters, jetpacks etc is the norm in today’s fps gaming industry, going against this style would risk losing the larger majority of fans to a competitor, which would in turn lose them money. Also, the inclusion of micro-transactions is a way for 343i & any game developer to keep revenue coming in.

The only way you as an individual can combat this is not commit to micro-transactions & certainly not pre-order games. If enough people do that over a long enough timeline then maybe things will change.

Just to be clear, I am in no way supporting 343i…

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But what could change? Halo 6.

Nothing wrong with complaining. Feedback is always a good thing.

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> The only way you as an individual can combat this is not commit to micro-transactions & certainly don’t pre-order games. If enough people do that over a long enough timeline then maybe things will change.

You’re not my supervisor!

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Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.

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> > The only way you as an individual can combat this is not commit to micro-transactions & certainly don’t pre-order games. If enough people do that over a long enough timeline then maybe things will change.
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> You’re not my supervisor!

Actually, I am your master…

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> Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
> Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
> Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.

What did 343 do that was unfair or improper? Asking out of curiosity, not salt.

Also, the fully transparency thing just isn’t true. Every company puts up a curtain, its just part of it. No company is as transparent as you think they are, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.

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I would say that businesses are in the business of making money, while releasing quality products that interest and satisfy the consumer base. If they anger their consumer bases too much, the consumers go elsewhere to find products that they want. So, if anything, businesses are in the business of making their consumer bases happy, while making a buck off of their efforts, if the product is good.

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> > 2717573882290994;4:
> > Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
> > Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
> > Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.
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> What did 343 do that was unfair or improper? Asking out of curiosity, not salt.
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> Also, the fully transparency thing just isn’t true. Every company puts up a curtain, its just part of it. No company is as transparent as you think they are, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.

I’m not saying 343i have done anything unfair or improper. I’m just saying they’ve taken Halo 5 in a direction it’s less used to, certainly in comparison to it’s roots, & this has caused endless waves of complaints.
In Halo 5 343i have created a product that many like, but most of them that like Halo 5 are new to the franchise & therefore not familiar with it’s roots.

My point is that those who are complaining about the state of TMCC & Halo 5 are doing so because of their passion & love for Halo, but that passion & love isn’t shared by 343i, because 343i is a business & no business can operate at a loss, otherwise they wouldn’t be in business…

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> > > 2717573882290994;4:
> > > Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
> > > Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
> > > Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.
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> > What did 343 do that was unfair or improper? Asking out of curiosity, not salt.
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> > Also, the fully transparency thing just isn’t true. Every company puts up a curtain, its just part of it. No company is as transparent as you think they are, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.
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> I’m not saying 343i have done anything unfair or improper. I’m just saying they’ve taken Halo 5 in a direction it’s less used to, certainly in comparison to it’s roots, & this has caused endless waves of complaints.
> In Halo 5 343i have created a product that many like, but most of them that like Halo 5 are new to the franchise & therefore not familiar with it’s roots.
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> My point is that those who are complaining about the state of TMCC & Halo 5 are doing so because of their passion & love for Halo, but that passion & love isn’t shared by 343i, because 343i is a business & no business can operate at a loss, otherwise they wouldn’t be in business…

Microsoft seems to be able to work at a loss, seeing how the Xbone doesn’t sell, and they have been losing money ever since they invaded the console market.

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> > > Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
> > > Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
> > > Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.
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> > What did 343 do that was unfair or improper? Asking out of curiosity, not salt.
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> > Also, the fully transparency thing just isn’t true. Every company puts up a curtain, its just part of it. No company is as transparent as you think they are, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.
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> I’m not saying 343i have done anything unfair or improper. I’m just saying they’ve taken Halo 5 in a direction it’s less used to, certainly in comparison to it’s roots, & this has caused endless waves of complaints.
> In Halo 5 343i have created a product that many like, but most of them that like Halo 5 are new to the franchise & therefore not familiar with it’s roots.
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> My point is that those who are complaining about the state of TMCC & Halo 5 are doing so because of their passion & love for Halo, but that passion & love isn’t shared by 343i, because 343i is a business & no business can operate at a loss, otherwise they wouldn’t be in business…

That was aimed at Erik L haha but no worries!

Absolutely, Halo 5 is different than previous games, but the whole roots thing is a funny idea to me. I know its just a saying and all, but how many plants look anything like their roots? My point is, each Halo game was different than the previous. Yes, H5 had a pretty big jump, but its still Halo.

That’s where we disagree. I believe very strongly that game devs care for their product as much as the customers do. I know that some people who work at 343 don’t even like Halo, but they still like gaming and they want to make the best game possible. As DaffierPuppet9 said above, the best way for a game dev to make money is to keep us, the consumers, happy. If we the gamers aren’t happy, we won’t buy the next game.

Yes, they only want us to be happy so that they can make more money, but so what? We still get a potentially good game out of that scenario. Game devs and gamers have a very close relationship, they makes games that they care about and that we like to play and we give them money. We “complain” and give them feedback and they fix the current (if possible) and make the next game even better so that, again, we give them money.

This idea that 343 is only in it for the money isn’t wrong, but its also not entirely true.

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No business can provide the end user with a product at a lower cost than it has cost them to develop, manufacture, market & distribute. But people come on here with their passion & frustration calling for 343i to do this & do that, & they must be either really young or really naive because they think this passion is shared by 343i. But it isn’t. Somewhere at the top of 343i tree is someone that wants to make money. Most people don’t get up 5 days a week & go to work because they love it. They do it because they get paid to.

If people just take the emotion out of the situation they may begin to see the decisions 343i makes are to make the most profit, not because they love what they do…

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> > > > Actually, some businesses feel the need to do things fairly and properly, and with full transparency. 343 isn’t doing that.
> > > > Some businesses make money, but they make sure to release great products, and if products aren’t great, they either scrap them or wait before taking people’s money.
> > > > Yeah… 343 is not a respect-worthy company. Not at all.
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> > > What did 343 do that was unfair or improper? Asking out of curiosity, not salt.
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> > > Also, the fully transparency thing just isn’t true. Every company puts up a curtain, its just part of it. No company is as transparent as you think they are, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.
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> > I’m not saying 343i have done anything unfair or improper. I’m just saying they’ve taken Halo 5 in a direction it’s less used to, certainly in comparison to it’s roots, & this has caused endless waves of complaints.
> > In Halo 5 343i have created a product that many like, but most of them that like Halo 5 are new to the franchise & therefore not familiar with it’s roots.
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> > My point is that those who are complaining about the state of TMCC & Halo 5 are doing so because of their passion & love for Halo, but that passion & love isn’t shared by 343i, because 343i is a business & no business can operate at a loss, otherwise they wouldn’t be in business…
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> Microsoft seems to be able to work at a loss, seeing how the Xbone doesn’t sell, and they have been losing money ever since they invaded the console market.

Just because the xbone doesn’t sell very well, doesn’t mean they’re losing money on it.

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> No business can provide the end user with a product at a lower cost than it has cost them to develop, manufacture, market & distribute. But people come on here with their passion & frustration calling for 343i to do this & do that, & they must be either really young or really naive because they think this passion is shared by 343i. But it isn’t. Somewhere at the top of 343i tree is someone that wants to make money. Most people don’t get up 5 days a week & go to work because they love it. They do it because they get paid to.
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> If people just take the emotion out of the situation they may begin to see the decisions 343i makes are to make the most profit, not because they love what they do…

This line makes you very naïve and sound very young haha

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Maybe they’ll retool the system though so that they’ll make more people happy and make more money.
Personally I wish they’d change the microtransaction/req system. The random req system works great for power weapons and vehicles, but permanent unlock you should be able to specifically purchase with either req points or reap world money.
As it is, I haven’t spent anything on microtransactions, but if I was able to buy specific reqs I want, I probably would have spend at least $10 to $20 by now.

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Of course businesses are in business to make money.

343 has found a good way to make money (REQs / WZ) while not affecting the competitive side of the game (which is starting to make additional money). As long as all non-WZ activities remain ‘cosmetic only’ REQs, I feel 343 has nailed it.

Someone who has spent $200 has the same maps / gameplay (outside WZ) options as someone who has spend $0. This is genius compared to the way other games are doing it.

I think 343 respects the Halo community immensely. Nailed it.

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You do have a point, but incorporating parkour style gameplay loses them the majority of their player base anyway. The people who enjoy that type of gameplay always move on to the next game, usually Call of Duty, and don’t usually come back to spend more money on Halo. So they really have nothing to lose by deviating from that, but they have a lot to potentially gain.

And on the subject of microtransactions, back when Bungie was in charge of Halo, they were making plenty of money without needing to resort to microtransactions. The idea that game developers need those to continue making money is ludicrous. Small indie developers, maybe, free-to-play games, yeah, but not AAA developers making full priced AAA games backed by multi-billion dollar companies.

If they wanna make more money, they need to stop making overblown budgets and stop making the same generic crap as everyone else.

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> > No business can provide the end user with a product at a lower cost than it has cost them to develop, manufacture, market & distribute. But people come on here with their passion & frustration calling for 343i to do this & do that, & they must be either really young or really naive because they think this passion is shared by 343i. But it isn’t. Somewhere at the top of 343i tree is someone that wants to make money. Most people don’t get up 5 days a week & go to work because they love it. They do it because they get paid to.
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> > If people just take the emotion out of the situation they may begin to see the decisions 343i makes are to make the most profit, not because they love what they do…
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> This line makes you very naïve and sound very young haha

I don’t see how fat man…Can you explain why you think that…

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> You do have a point, but incorporating parkour style gameplay loses them the majority of their player base anyway. The people who enjoy that type of gameplay always move on to the next game, usually Call of Duty, and don’t usually come back to spend more money on Halo. So they really have nothing to lose by deviating from that, but they have a lot to potentially gain.
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> And on the subject of microtransactions, back when Bungie was in charge of Halo, they were making plenty of money without needing to resort to microtransactions. The idea that game developers need those to continue making money is ludicrous. Small indie developers, maybe, free-to-play games, yeah, but not AAA developers making full priced AAA games backed by multi-billion dollar companies.
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> If they wanna make more money, they need to stop making overblown budgets and stop making the same generic crap as everyone else.

You totally contradict yourself…“The idea that game developers need those to continue making money is ludicrous.” Micro-transactions makes them loads of money way after release & is a constant source of further income for them…Would you disagree with that statement?

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> 2533274814289862;16:
> You do have a point, but incorporating parkour style gameplay loses them the majority of their player base anyway. The people who enjoy that type of gameplay always move on to the next game, usually Call of Duty, and don’t usually come back to spend more money on Halo. So they really have nothing to lose by deviating from that, but they have a lot to potentially gain.
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> And on the subject of microtransactions, back when Bungie was in charge of Halo, they were making plenty of money without needing to resort to microtransactions. The idea that game developers need those to continue making money is ludicrous. Small indie developers, maybe, free-to-play games, yeah, but not AAA developers making full priced AAA games backed by multi-billion dollar companies.
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> If they wanna make more money, they need to stop making overblown budgets and stop making the same generic crap as everyone else.

Well, they just need to: get rid of their overpriced marketing teams, and stop making the development so focused on the graphical quality of the game. Like, “Oh, great, you made a nice looking game. Too bad it doesn’t have many of the features that your previous games had, but whatever, look at Nathon Fillion’s face! He looks AMAZING!!!”. /sarcasm.

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Come on fatskinnyman, how am I being naive by saying that the company that has ruined TMCC multiplayer, then abandoned it to focus on milking the population of Halo 5 has done so not because they love the Halo franchise & it’s fans, but because they’re a business that wants to make money…I think you’re incredibly naive to believe anything else…