It’s always been a trend of people who hate 343, and hate those who stand by 343’s decisions with Halo, or even seem to enjoy MCC or Halo 5. The trend started with Halo 4, and has continued. You agree with a decision 343 has made, you get flamed with a fanboy insult, you say something good about a Halo game 343 has even made, you get flamed with a fanboy insult. You could even say on how much your gonna enjoy an update and you get flamed with a fanboy insult. But go ahead and say something to the slighest about wanting Bungie back at the reins of Halo and you’ll get praised for it. Honestly, I could see other communities laughing at us. But honestly I laugh at it because 99.9% of people forget…Bungie started this trend with Halo, with Reach, yeah there wasn’t microtransactions but it starting the trend of unlocking armor with in-game currency you earn for winning games. Bungie started the trend of having abilities in a Halo game for Spartans and mind you also leaving Halo in the mess that it’s in now because not once did they listen to us about Reach and because of that Reach tanked, and also because of that is why Halo has gone on this downward spiral.
Now let me explain something here. I’m one of those who hated 343 for Halo 4, who was disappointed in MCC so much that I sold my Xbone and MCC for a PS4. I re-purchased my Xbone for Halo 5. Go ahead, flame me and tell me I should’ve kept my PS4. But we all know the era of Halo is over, we all know those 2007 days are done. Yeah the HaloWC topped 90k viewers on Twitch, thats nothing compared to how it was back then on national TV on the MLG days. Halo has not been on the circuit since Reach. Halo has not been on TV since Halo 3. This new type of Halo, this is Halo now, and it is following the trend of how Gaming Is Now. You have microtransactions, you have DLC every month, no matter whether it’d paid or free, you have abilities. Old Halo is not coming back, Bungie is not coming back. Competitive Halo is as it is now, this is Halo as it is now, this is how 343 is doing it and whether or not 343 will make Halo tank isn’t the case because it has tanked. Other FPS’s have taken Halos Glory and there is not one thing 343 can do to make Halo rise again, it has gone, and passed and is like every other FPS out there now and is just mainstream.
So continue insulting fellow members of the community for defending 343, the updates, or even the game itself because they enjoy. But let me remind you who changed Halo in the first place, and no it was not 343 but it was your precious Bungie.
But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is no Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now, microtransactions, in-game currency, buying in-game currency with cash. That’s what the trend is now, that is how gaming is.
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> But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
100% . The best thing 343 did was the no bloom sprint only update. It was almost like they recognized what made halo unique and try to fix it. Then halo 4 came out and they did a 180 and we’ve been in the tank ever since. We all know it started with reach, we also know 343 continued it to this day.
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> > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
Why does it have to be? When halo was unique it went against all the trends mw4, gears etc. no sprint no ads. Yet here we are
Not this debate again. Seriously, can we move on? Adding sprint and ADS were natural developments for the Halo franchise considering the size of the audience for contemporary FPS games like Battlefield or COD!
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> > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> 100% . The best thing 343 did was the no bloom sprint only update. It was almost like they recognized what made halo unique and try to fix it. Then halo 4 came out and they did a 180 and we’ve been in the tank ever since. We all know it started with reach, we also know 343 continued it to this day.
And how long did the update last? How many players did it bring back and for how long? We’ve been in the tank since Reach. 343 continues it because that is how the gaming industry is, thats how its flowing. Notice how you said tried because they did try and it worked, for a while, then stopped. This is 343’s Halo, and how Halo is now is mainstream, I’ve accepted that.
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> > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is no Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now, microtransactions, in-game currency, buying in-game currency with cash. That’s what the trend is now, that is how gaming is.
Ladies and gentlemen I give a guy who actually excepts everything bad about gaming now.
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> > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
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> Why does it have to be? When halo was unique it went against all the trends mw4, gears etc. no sprint no ads. Yet here we are
Why does it have to be? There is NO uniqueness is games anymore, especially FPS’s, it wont work because the gaming world doesn’t revolve around uniqueness, not anymore.
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> > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > 100% . The best thing 343 did was the no bloom sprint only update. It was almost like they recognized what made halo unique and try to fix it. Then halo 4 came out and they did a 180 and we’ve been in the tank ever since. We all know it started with reach, we also know 343 continued it to this day.
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> And how long did the update last? How many players did it bring back and for how long? We’ve been in the tank since Reach. 343 continues it because that is how the gaming industry is, thats how its flowing. Notice how you said tried because they did try and it worked, for a while, then stopped. This is 343’s Halo, and how Halo is now is mainstream, I’ve accepted that.
Halo is less mainstream than it was in the Halo 3 days. That was the peak of halos popularity, if you had a xbox then you certainly had halo, it was the biggest thing on xbox but now… a franchise that most fps games wished they were has degraded to a franchise that has to lose its identity just to compete with modern fps games.
If halo was only Now mainstream then it would be higher on the popular games on xbox and it would have had much more sales than Halo reach.
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> > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is no Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now, microtransactions, in-game currency, buying in-game currency with cash. That’s what the trend is now, that is how gaming is.
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> Ladies and gentlemen I give a guy who actually excepts everything bad about gaming now.
I never said I accepted everything bad about Halo or gaming in general. All I said was that this is how Halo and how gaming in general is. I play Halo because I still enjoy it, doesn’t mean I have to accept everything 343 throws at it. I only support REQ’s because it throttles future Halo tournaments and about the only thing practically keeping competitive Halo alive. Do I support Halo 5’s storytelling with all the loopholes, of courae not. I said I accepted that Halo is never going back to what it was, because I know for a fact that it won’t. Don’t twist my words if you don’t understand them.
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> > > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
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> Why does it have to be? There is NO uniqueness is games anymore, especially FPS’s, it wont work because the gaming world doesn’t revolve around uniqueness, not anymore.
Who said, it’s people like you who think nothing should be unique anymore. If no fps is unique then why bother buying those that try to copy.
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> > > > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > > > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
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> Who said, it’s people like you who think nothing should be unique anymore. If no fps is unique then why bother buying those that try to copy.
Because it’s insane to think that any FPS can be unique. There has been no unique FPS since Halo 3 launched…so no it’s not people like me. I just happen to be smart enough to know how changed the industry is now because I actually pay attention.
But ask that to the people who buy every single COD game, or any game that copies everything else. If it’s good enough to play, people will buy it.
Bungie may have started the changes. But nobody forced 343 to go down the path and screw everything up.
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> > > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
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> Why does it have to be? There is NO uniqueness is games anymore, especially FPS’s, it wont work because the gaming world doesn’t revolve around uniqueness, not anymore.
You do realize there will be a marketplace response for the over saturation of the same generic product produced at a yearly rate? If 343 were to be wise they would distance themselves from the short term sales and position themselves to be able to offer a unique, better product that can sustain populations in game as well as continued growth in their consumer base for as long as possible.
Bungie made Destiny. Bungie pimps people into buying their -Yoink-. Bungie is responsible for the unnecessary surge in paid dlc nickle and diming and microtransactions…I don’t wanna hear anything else about bungie…People always say bungie bungie bungie…But Destiny didn’t even ship as a complete game…-Yoink- that bungie -Yoink-…and on top of that you have to pay for -Yoink- that was supposed to come with the shipped game…Bungie is the main reason developers go in on pre orders H2 started this preorder season pass paid content extravaganza…Just like project gotham and elder scrolls oblivion caused games to rise in price from 49.99 to 59.99…People are failing to realize that developers used to just give away extra maps and dlc as a thing and they used to do it AFTER the games release. These days the developer will sell you 45% of the game and sell you the other half later…It doesn’t take as much money to make these games as they used to people are just blindly forking over their cash for nothing and myself included is a victim of this…It meaningless inflation this is happening everywhere we are all paying more for less and the worst part is goods are not even scarce there isn’t even a drought. I don’t know what is going on in the world but it is really starting to seem like a game of why not -Yoink-.
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> Bungie may have started the changes. But nobody forced 343 to go down the path and screw everything up.
All except 343 didn’t screw anything up, it’s called mainstreaming a game for the masses. Do you think I agree with that, absolutely not. Halo is the name that sells the game, whether good or bad people will buy it and depending on how enjoyable Halo is for that person, they’ll play it. Also no one asked Bungie to change Halo with Reach, did they? I don’t think anyone did…
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> > > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
> > > > Bungie may have started it. But that’s because that was their last halo. 343I could’ve reversed the changes but instead they kept and made it worse.
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> > > 100% . The best thing 343 did was the no bloom sprint only update. It was almost like they recognized what made halo unique and try to fix it. Then halo 4 came out and they did a 180 and we’ve been in the tank ever since. We all know it started with reach, we also know 343 continued it to this day.
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> > And how long did the update last? How many players did it bring back and for how long? We’ve been in the tank since Reach. 343 continues it because that is how the gaming industry is, thats how its flowing. Notice how you said tried because they did try and it worked, for a while, then stopped. This is 343’s Halo, and how Halo is now is mainstream, I’ve accepted that.
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> Halo is less mainstream than it was in the Halo 3 days. That was the peak of halos popularity, if you had a xbox then you certainly had halo, it was the biggest thing on xbox but now… a franchise that most fps games wished they were has degraded to a franchise that has to lose its identity just to compete with modern fps games.
> If halo was only Now mainstream then it would be higher on the popular games on xbox and it would have had much more sales than Halo reach.
Actually no it wouldn’t be, you fail to understand what mainstreaming a game actually is. Halo wasn’t mainstream back in the day. It was different. Halo though is now mainstream following trends every other FPS now has. Bungie mainstreamed Halo with Reach. Do you think I want Halo mainstreamed, of course not. Do you think I want Halo following the popular trends of all FPS’s, of course not. But as you said Halo had to lose its identity to compete with modern FPS’s and thats back then what every FPS had was an identity, now its mainstreaming and thats what Halo has become.
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> > > > > But who continued with that change that no one asked for. Who kept sprint and made it into a core mechanic. Who kept AAs. Who decided to keep changing designs.
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> > > > So what if they made it worse? This is how Gaming is now, it’s mainstream like I said in my OP, it’s everchanging. That’s what I’m saying, there is so Saving Halo, for better or worse it is going to be like every other FPS out there now.
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> You do realize there will be a marketplace response for the over saturation of the same generic product produced at a yearly rate? If 343 were to be wise they would distance themselves from the short term sales and position themselves to be able to offer a unique, better product that can sustain populations in game as well as continued growth in their consumer base for as long as possible.
All except they won’t and yes I do realize that. If 343 gave Halo it’s identity back, people would praise the domain! But sadly they aren’t going to do that.