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> > > Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.
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> > > I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
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> > > Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
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> > > Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
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> > Oh the irony
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> No irony here. Just saying everyone has their own opinions and telling someone they’re stupid for liking this halo cause it isnt true halo is in fact the entire point im making.
You are saying it is okay to alienate the original fan base. Halo 3 sold more than fifteen million copies. That is the true Halo gameplay, and one that honored the amazing games (CE and H2) that came before. Not the divisive sprint mechanics established in Reach and carried through to Infinite.
You guys call this monstrosity a Bungie like Halo game, wth is wrong with you people, this is is nothing like Bungies Halo. Bungie fans have been alienated for the past 8 years and when you guys see something even slightly different from 343s usual style you cry to alienate more Bungie fans. You guys are toxic af.
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> > We’re not Bungie fans. We didn’t like Reach. We’re Halo fans. We were here before you.
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> Good point, you guys are halo fans, but so is everyone else who came after. Stop using the excuse of “were here earlier” to decide who a halo fan is.
I don’t think you’re not a Halo fan. I just think you’d have a different opinion if you had more experience with the series, though there are a few older players who don’t mind mechanics like sprint.
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> > > We’re not Bungie fans. We didn’t like Reach. We’re Halo fans. We were here before you.
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> > Good point, you guys are halo fans, but so is everyone else who came after. Stop using the excuse of “were here earlier” to decide who a halo fan is.
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> I don’t think you’re not a Halo fan. I just think you’d have a different opinion if you had more experience with the series, though there are a few older players who don’t mind mechanics like sprint.
I wholeheartedly agree with you there. And I understand how you guys feel, really I do. I wanted infinite to be more of classic halo so you guys would love it, but it isnt (although I still like it). Its just sad when newer fans are ignored by the fanbase.
No one is saying that we are “the only Halo fans”. You wouldn’t like it if the best franchise of your childhood went to an extreme and completely disregarded everything you once knew about Halo.
There needs to be a happy medium with Halo, and the progression of Halo.
I actually didn’t care for many of the serious changes to Halo starting with Halo 2 and I think Bungie made some bizarre, bizarre, choices when it came to weapon sandbox, level design (mostly in the case of Halo 2) and narrative presentation.
That said, I think it was pretty clear that this game had been being teased, spoken about, and even borderline advertised as a spiritual reboot to take the game back to those days. For better or for worse, anticipation has been building around that semi-promise and there wasn’t much communication to indicate otherwise. So for some folx to be let down by this demo showing some stark deviations–even when it comes to art style (seriously, go look at some comparisons floating around out there of Reach or 3 vs this Infinite demo. This ain’t a classic art style. Perhaps inspired by a more classic art style? But not in line with it).
So, while I do think that the Bungie obsession is somewhat cultish at times, often greatly exaggerated beyond what the reality was (ya know, like when some fans talk about the purity of Bungie’s vision or approach but then still emphasize the importance of canon as per the novels–the things Bungie wanted to actively stop from ever happening in the first place…) I can’t blame people for being a little, I dunno, shellshocked?, by this first look–especially because on top of the changes, there’s some bizarre lack of polish and detail for a AAA reveal on what is going to be “the most powerful console yada yada yada.” Just the lighting, the texture pop-in, the lack of sophistication in geometry on both weapons and vehicles like the Phantom.
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> > > the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
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> > They didn’t sell you guys down. This is exactly the point I’m making. Calling people who enjoy 343i’s games “Mainstream younger gamers” is quite insulting. You’re basically saying only the classic fans are the true “halo fans”. aka gatekeeping.
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> What happens exactly, if you started with CE the week it came out… But ALSO liked Halo 5 and was excited by what you saw in the trailer? Because I enjoyed how Halo 5 played (Barring Charge) and I grew up on Halo CE/2/3, heck I saved up on a $5 ~ $7 a week allowance just so I could get the limited edition of Halo 2. Still got it on my shelf in my room behind me even, along with 3’s. But I’m not in an outrage over what I saw in this trailer at all or even disappointed. …Well okay, I’m disappointed Blue Team’s not there, but other than that I’m actually excited to see what comes next.
I am so with you on this - I’ve been playing these games since I was a kid with CE and have enjoyed each step. If I want a classic experience I’ll dip into the old games, if I want the newer mechanics then I can still jump into 4 or 5… Quite regularly play through the series from the start to present as well. And I’m very excited for Infinite! Sure some textures were a bit poor, and I am disappointed not to see Blue Team (yet?) and more of the state of the rest of the galaxy (might come, might just be entirely based on this ring) - but I’m still looking forward to finding out and seeing what comes next!<!–/data/user/0/com.samsung.android.app.notes/files/clipdata/clipdata_200724_080852_763.sdoc–>
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> the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
Imagine being so selfish as an adult that you don’t want anyone else to enjoy the same franchise you did.
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> > You’re right, Bungie fans aren’t the only Halo fans.
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> > But we’re the only ones that matter…
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> I like that gamertag my dude.
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> Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.
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> I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
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> Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
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> Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
i like halo. always have, always will. started playing at age eight, and never got tired of it. and as far as i’m concerned, halo is halo 343 or Bungie. i fully intend to play any new game they make and love every minute of it. as long as infinite has chief, an assault rifle, and lots of stupid grunts i’m gonna love it.
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> Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.
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> I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
>
> Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
>
> Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
Im a huge fan of what bungie created when it comes to Halo, that aside im not a fan of 343i because they have ignored us prior fans for 10 years! Thats insane when you are creating a product for a pre-established fanbase! Im not mad at those who enjoy 343i games at all. After all 343 has been taking Elements from other games in order to expand the fanbase. So if you enjoy 343i games i’m glad to hear it because you are enjoying Halo like how I used to back in the day.
I personally have become extremely frustrated with 343 for its been 10 years and we haven’t received so much as a spin-off game that pays tribute to classic Halo.
For 10 years we’ve asked for evolved Halo 3 game play with Elements from Reach.
its been 10 years and i’m tired of asking for the same thing.
I will never justify or encourage people bashing on those who enjoy Halo 4 or 5. But this split in the fan base will only grow worse as 343 refuses to deliver what’s been over do.
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> the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
Exactly. I have seen both current and former 343 employees like tweets on twitter insulting, taunting and mocking those who take issue with 343’s current direction with Infinite.
“Are you really a Halo fan if you didn’t like X”, “Classic Halo wouldn’t survive today” etc. are some of the tweets involved.
If we as gamers didn’t complain and raise our concerns after Halo 5, we wouldn’t have got the story, gameplay, music and art style change in Infinite. They clearly know our voice matters else they wouldn’t have made the creative changes they did for this game.
OP’s post encourages a confrontational attitude between 343 and “Bungie” Halo fans. We have been sidelined and ignored and mocked ever since 343 took over. If 343 actually made a Halo game after Reach that actually respected what Halo was and iterated on its formula, instead of drastically changing it into something else entirely for the sake of “progress”, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place and thus not have such a divided fanbase. This is 343’s own doing.
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> Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.
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> I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
>
> Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
>
> Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
Btw Mods you should lock this thread as it’s clearly gaslighting Halo fans who fit under OP’s narrow view of what a classic Halo fan is.
“Do not attack, flame, troll, impersonate, be rude or aggressive, insult,berate any individuals, communities, companies, or organizations on this forum. Attacks against others are not allowed in the public forums or in private messages. Please be tactful and civil.”
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> > Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
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> Btw Mods you should lock this thread as it’s clearly gaslighting Halo fans who fit under OP’s narrow view of what a classic Halo fan is.https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/29568daf8cd14083bd1b70a810bf3581/topics/halo-waypoint-forum-rules-guidelines/b3e91e40-9e40-4739-ad54-8dfebc807b95/postsYour own forum rules:“Do not attack, flame, troll, impersonate, be rude or aggressive, insult,berate any individuals, communities, companies, or organizations on this forum. Attacks against others are not allowed in the public forums or in private messages. Please be tactful and civil.”
The OP has only given its opinion asking that there be no confrontation and that modern fans of “not being authentic Halo fans” should not be attacked. On the other hand, I do nothing but see you on various topics continuously attacking the youngest Halo players.
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> > > Mods, if this breaks any rules please lock/delete this.I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
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> > Btw Mods you should lock this thread as it’s clearly gaslighting Halo fans who fit under OP’s narrow view of what a classic Halo fan is.https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/29568daf8cd14083bd1b70a810bf3581/topics/halo-waypoint-forum-rules-guidelines/b3e91e40-9e40-4739-ad54-8dfebc807b95/postsYour own forum rules:“Do not attack, flame, troll, impersonate, be rude or aggressive, **insult,**berate any individuals, communities, companies, or organizations on this forum. Attacks against others are not allowed in the public forums or in private messages. Please be tactful and civil.”
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> The OP has only given its opinion asking that there be no confrontation and that modern fans of “not being authentic Halo fans” should not be attacked. On the other hand, I do nothing but see you on various topics continuously attacking the youngest Halo players.
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> Did you feel identified with the OP’s comment?
I assume you have no issue with my " “343” Halo fans aren’t the only fans of Halo post?"