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I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
What you’re saying is that since its hard to cater to both they should only alienate the bungie fans. You guys have had 3 halo games that played your un-classic modern warfare way. Now its time for one that plays classic. Does that sound that bad?
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> Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game.
I totally agree with this sentence.
That being said, what makes “343 fans” (your term, not mine) more important than “Bungie fans” (again, not my choice of words)?
As you said, the last classic Halo was 13 years ago. Those fans have been consistently left behind for more than a decade now, while the rest got supplied with a constant stream of new content…
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> the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
And in reality they shouldnt even worry about numbers in that way because of game pass
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> the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
They didn’t sell you guys down. This is exactly the point I’m making. Calling people who enjoy 343i’s games “Mainstream younger gamers” is quite insulting. You’re basically saying only the classic fans are the true “halo fans”. aka gatekeeping.
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> > Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game.
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> I totally agree with this sentence.
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> That being said, what makes “343 fans” (your term, not mine) more important than “Bungie fans” (again, not my choice of words)?
> As you said, the last classic Halo was 13 years ago. Those fans have been consistently left behind for more than a decade now, while the rest got supplied with a constant stream of new content…
I’m not arguing that and I agree 343i should be a bit more consistent in choosing a side properly. I’m just saying that some people here think only they are the true halo fans. Which as I stated above, is gatekeeping.
Don’t get discouraged with the forums. I remember the H3 forums being flooded with haters lol.
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> What you’re saying is that since its had to cater to both they should only alienate the bungie fans. You guys have had 3 halo games that played your un-classic modern warfare way. Now its time for one that plays classic. Does that sound that bad?
This. Everyone assumes that the classic style wouldn’t work when in reality the “modern” Halo games are the ones that have been failing.
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> > > Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game.
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> > I totally agree with this sentence.
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> > That being said, what makes “343 fans” (your term, not mine) more important than “Bungie fans” (again, not my choice of words)?
> > As you said, the last classic Halo was 13 years ago. Those fans have been consistently left behind for more than a decade now, while the rest got supplied with a constant stream of new content…
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> I’m not arguing that and I agree 343i should be a bit more consistent in choosing a side properly. I’m just saying that some people here think only they are the true halo fans. Which as I stated above, is gatekeeping.
It’s not gatekeeping. Its just what it is. Halo isn’t halo without its core gameplay and sandbox. That hasn’t existed since reach so no true halo games have come out since halo 3. Per the decline in sales since halo 3.
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> > What you’re saying is that since its had to cater to both they should only alienate the bungie fans. You guys have had 3 halo games that played your un-classic modern warfare way. Now its time for one that plays classic. Does that sound that bad?
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> This. Everyone assumes that the classic style wouldn’t work when in reality the “modern” Halo games are the ones that have been failing.
People bought a broken game just to play classic again and they still dont trust classic… Meanwhile classic gears is still poppin’
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> > > > Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game.
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> > > I totally agree with this sentence.
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> > > That being said, what makes “343 fans” (your term, not mine) more important than “Bungie fans” (again, not my choice of words)?
> > > As you said, the last classic Halo was 13 years ago. Those fans have been consistently left behind for more than a decade now, while the rest got supplied with a constant stream of new content…
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> > I’m not arguing that and I agree 343i should be a bit more consistent in choosing a side properly. I’m just saying that some people here think only they are the true halo fans. Which as I stated above, is gatekeeping.
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> It’s not gatekeeping. Its just what it is. Halo isn’t halo without its core gameplay and sandbox. That hasn’t existed since reach so no true halo games have come out since halo 3. Per the decline in sales since halo 3.
How would you define true halo? halo 1-3? Sure. That’s fine. Others define their true halo as being halo 4 or 5 for example (Obviously a small minority, but they exist) All I’m saying is that its an opinion. You can’t tell other people what true halo is. There isn’t one.
Bungie fan here and I like what I see for the most part. Someone will always be mad. There is death taxes and gamer rage at the new halo release.
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> I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
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> Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
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> Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
Oh the irony
In the end halo is a business. If they thought making a classic halo game style was what would make them more money they would have made it. It may not be what long time halo fans like but in order to make the max amount of money they need to make a game that appeals to the masses. They can’t rely on 30+ year olds to keep the franchise going (and I’m saying that as a 40+ year old). I look at the games my kids play and all their friends play and they are all faster paced games. Both of my kids love H5 but have no interest in any of the MCC games. I personally am skeptical of what I saw in the infinite trailer, I was pretty underwhelmed by it after waiting so long but I’m sure that the moves they made were based off of what will make them the most money and appeal to the widest fan base.
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> > I’ve been seeing lots and lots of hate towards 343 (which are opinions and fine), but most importantly, calling out people who actually seem to enjoy what 343i has to offer (infinite gameplay). I just wanted to say that sure, you may not like 343i and their games and that’s perfectly fine. But halo isn’t just a single fanbase made up of bungie fans. Its been 13 years since the last “good” bungie halo game (halo 3). 13 years. In that time, halo has obviously gathered a lot of new fans who might just enjoy or love their games. And maybe even prefer them to bungie’s halo.
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> > Now what does this mean exactly? 343i now have to cater to multiple fanbases. The bungie ones, and their own. This isn’t as simple as it sounds. They can’t make a halo 3 sequel without alienating the new fanbase and obviously they can’t make infinite without alienating the old bungie fans.
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> > Put simply, you guys aren’t the only fans of halo. There are many more, and some who actually liked what they saw today. Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game and telling them what they like isn’t halo and they’re stupid to think it is.
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> Oh the irony
No irony here. Just saying everyone has their own opinions and telling someone they’re stupid for liking this halo cause it isnt true halo is in fact the entire point im making.
I agree everyone should respect each other and their opinions. I actually made a post about it. I respectfully disagree the last good Bungie title was 3, it was their best in my opinion but Reach was still great. There was plenty of modes that played without abilities so it still felt classic.
But, I would also like to point out, the biggest point of popularity for Halo was under Bungie and it has never quite reached the point again under 343, maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if they made a game with those fans and mechanics in mind.
I was hoping that they would keep the campaign with all the “new” and 343 style in it with multiplayer separate that felt more classic. Maybe that will be an option, only time will tell. I am cautiously optimistic.
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> > the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
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> They didn’t sell you guys down. This is exactly the point I’m making. Calling people who enjoy 343i’s games “Mainstream younger gamers” is quite insulting. You’re basically saying only the classic fans are the true “halo fans”. aka gatekeeping.
You can call it gatekeeping or whatever you want. Point is we were fans of Halo the way it was. Same thing with Star Wars. Then a big company came along and changed the original work (without the original creators consent) into something that has more mainstream appeal and that isnt necessarily true to the original product that was loved by the original fans.
Instead of creating a new game or film that they want to make (which given the quality of both Halo and Star Wars recently) wouldnt sell very well initially or catch on initially, they use the name and recognition and the old fans to boost up their own version of the product. Creating bitterness from the old fans and a completely new group of fans. Now some of these fans are crossovers (fans of both) however weve seen with both of these franchises as time goes by, the two groups split off even more and sides are chosen.
What happened to Star Wars by the 3rd film in the new trilogy, the crossover fans were sick of it and reverted. So before they were able to make massive amounts of money from both sides, they are starting to lose money as fans jump ship. This is why they realized they might have to retcon the Star Wars Trilogy and get new people to make them.
Same thing with Halo. The crossovers are slowly shifting sides and see the writing on the wall. Each Halo game released has sold less copies than the last. At some point they will only be left with the hardcore new fans. And they will have a choice to make. Go full classic or cater to the new fans 100%. And let me tell you the only reason Halo continues to sell is because crossover fans and Old fans like me still bought Halo 4/5 because they are Halo games. We are reaching the point where we see now this isnt going anywhere. Old fans are done buying the game just to see if its going to be Halo again. Weve been burned to many times.
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> > the problem is that they knew what they are doing. They traded us out for the mainstream younger gamers. They did the same thing with Star Wars and Star Trek. Its all based on corporate data sheets. If they thought theyd make more money with the classic fans than they would cater to us only. They sold us down the river.
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> They didn’t sell you guys down. This is exactly the point I’m making. Calling people who enjoy 343i’s games “Mainstream younger gamers” is quite insulting. You’re basically saying only the classic fans are the true “halo fans”. aka gatekeeping.
What happens exactly, if you started with CE the week it came out… But ALSO liked Halo 5 and was excited by what you saw in the trailer? Because I enjoyed how Halo 5 played (Barring Charge) and I grew up on Halo CE/2/3, heck I saved up on a $5 ~ $7 a week allowance just so I could get the limited edition of Halo 2. Still got it on my shelf in my room behind me even, along with 3’s. But I’m not in an outrage over what I saw in this trailer at all or even disappointed. …Well okay, I’m disappointed Blue Team’s not there, but other than that I’m actually excited to see what comes next.
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> > > > > Don’t go out harassing them for liking 343i’s new game.
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> > > > I totally agree with this sentence.
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> > > > That being said, what makes “343 fans” (your term, not mine) more important than “Bungie fans” (again, not my choice of words)?
> > > > As you said, the last classic Halo was 13 years ago. Those fans have been consistently left behind for more than a decade now, while the rest got supplied with a constant stream of new content…
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> > > I’m not arguing that and I agree 343i should be a bit more consistent in choosing a side properly. I’m just saying that some people here think only they are the true halo fans. Which as I stated above, is gatekeeping.
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> > It’s not gatekeeping. Its just what it is. Halo isn’t halo without its core gameplay and sandbox. That hasn’t existed since reach so no true halo games have come out since halo 3. Per the decline in sales since halo 3.
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> How would you define true halo? halo 1-3? Sure. That’s fine. Others define their true halo as being halo 4 or 5 for example (Obviously a small minority, but they exist) All I’m saying is that its an opinion. You can’t tell other people what true halo is. There isn’t one.
Thats not true. What made Halo HALO was a specific set of things that were improved upon through each iteration. After halo 3, those mechanics were changed. Its like if tetris used balls instead of shaped blocks. So no 4 and 5 are not true halo games because they are not true to the original halo whereas halo 2 and 3 are. Halo 4 is literally call of dutty with halo movement and health. Halo 5 is an attempted compromise that still breaks the game due to oversize maps. Players are punished FOR sprinting and NOT sprinting. Reach was made at a time when bungie clearly wanted to make Destiny. I.E all the load-outs and abilities on spawn