So this may be old as hell but i just played again the campaign, anybody else hated that thing Buck said? Like out of character for someone like him? Also why a lot of people loves Vale attitude towards the sangheili? I mean they almost exterminated humanity
The Sangheili weren’t natural enemies of humanity though. The San’Shyuum lied to the Sangheili to end their war and get the warrior race on their side as their expendable muscle. Why? Because they knew the war would go on for ages to come; while the Prophets had the superior technology, the Elites had the superior battle prowess and tactical skills.
It was always about collecting and re-engineering (against the Sangheili’s preference) Forerunner technology. Things they were made to believe were gifts left behind by their Gods meant solely for them for being so loyal to their faith. In fact, I’m fairly sure that the Covenant was actually ready to make a truce with humanity to bring them INTO their enlistment of species when they found out that Forerunner technology was actually meant to be reclaimed by the humans. Thus starting the bloody three decade war/genocidal campaign. The Prophets even named themselves accordingly for their shame with the Prophet of Truth being the most important; he hides the truth from the Covenant. The three Prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy knew that if the Covenant found out their new enemies were actually the ones ‘chosen by the Gods’ that it would break the Covenant. They also figured most of the Elites would side with the humans as it is somewhat known that most of the Sangheili have a modicum of respect for mankind.
And guess what?
They were right.
The Arbiter lead a large faction of Sangheili against the remains of the Covenant as Truth fled to the Ark and then reformed what was left as well as those who would join on their home world into the Swords of Sangheilios.
So it’s honestly not too strange to hear Buck call them ‘brothers in arms’; Buck has always considered anyone who stands by his side a fellow soldier worth noting. I mean, he worked alongside people he signed up to shoot for decades. Why is it so weird that OTHER beings NOT HUMAN fighting by his side are worth noting as fellow soldiers? Also, I don’t know if I can call what Vale has going on a ‘love for Elites’; she mostly just translates what goes on on the Covenant B-net and gives little history info dumps now and then on the Sangheilian species because she was bored while traveling through space when she was younger.
So, if I remembered my lore correctly, that’s why. Anyone else who can fill in the gaps or correct me where I’m wrong; feel free to do so.
Nope. Literally think you’re like the only one who has a problem with this.
Agent Maryland covered everything in great detail above. I’ll add a bit about Vale though. Hunters in the Dark covers a bit more of her backstory. Essentially, she studied Sangheili culture and language a lot which is why she has a deeper connection than others. She doesn’t love them more than humans of course, but she wants to see peace between the two. I don’t want to mention more since that might be a spoiler, but that’s the essence of why she shows more love for Elites than others.
There’s a lot of good lore and all that in other media and it’s written very well. Just a shame that the narrative lead for Halo 5 turned out to not have a shred of the authors’ talent or respect for the source material or we would have gotten a story which was told so much better. To me, the narration was the only thing lacking in Halo 5’s campaign, but it’s obviously an important aspect and one that ultimately made it subpar. The gameplay was great, the environments were incredibly pretty, and the music did justice to all of it.
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> The Sangheili weren’t natural enemies of humanity though. The San’Shyuum lied to the Sangheili to end their war and get the warrior race on their side as their expendable muscle. Why? Because they knew the war would go on for ages to come; while the Prophets had the superior technology, the Elites had the superior battle prowess and tactical skills.
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> It was always about collecting and re-engineering (against the Sangheili’s preference) Forerunner technology. Things they were made to believe were gifts left behind by their Gods meant solely for them for being so loyal to their faith. In fact, I’m fairly sure that the Covenant was actually ready to make a truce with humanity to bring them INTO their enlistment of species when they found out that Forerunner technology was actually meant to be reclaimed by the humans. Thus starting the bloody three decade war/genocidal campaign. The Prophets even named themselves accordingly for their shame with the Prophet of Truth being the most important; he hides the truth from the Covenant. The three Prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy knew that if the Covenant found out their new enemies were actually the ones ‘chosen by the Gods’ that it would break the Covenant. They also figured most of the Elites would side with the humans as it is somewhat known that most of the Sangheili have a modicum of respect for mankind.
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> And guess what?
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> They were right.
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> The Arbiter lead a large faction of Sangheili against the remains of the Covenant as Truth fled to the Ark and then reformed what was left as well as those who would join on their home world into the Swords of Sangheilios.
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> So it’s honestly not too strange to hear Buck call them ‘brothers in arms’; Buck has always considered anyone who stands by his side a fellow soldier worth noting. I mean, he worked alongside people he signed up to shoot for decades. Why is it so weird that OTHER beings NOT HUMAN fighting by his side are worth noting as fellow soldiers? Also, I don’t know if I can call what Vale has going on a ‘love for Elites’; she mostly just translates what goes on on the Covenant B-net and gives little history info dumps now and then on the Sangheilian species because she was bored while traveling through space when she was younger.
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> So, if I remembered my lore correctly, that’s why. Anyone else who can fill in the gaps or correct me where I’m wrong; feel free to do so.
Well not weird just because they are alien or ex enemies but because the covenant were especially cruel on his home planet, like when they let loose starving grunts and jackals on the civilian population, i mean, he is calling the same people who did that “brothers”
With Vale well maybe it was just me but i got that feel, like she saying that prayer or whatever it was with the dead elites in sangheili or shouting something in sangheili when you go rescue the arbiter, i mean itsi for me like the same with Buck, why have that kind of respect to them? Arby himself got billions of people killed
It’s for me like Hiddenxperia when he kind of trash talk ONI for having plans to undermine the Swords of Sangheilos, for that is kind of a natural thing to do, be prepared if arbiter turn on humanity
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> Agent Maryland covered everything in great detail above. I’ll add a bit about Vale though. Hunters in the Dark covers a bit more of her backstory. Essentially, she studied Sangheili culture and language a lot which is why she has a deeper connection than others. She doesn’t love them more than humans of course, but she wants to see peace between the two. I don’t want to mention more since that might be a spoiler, but that’s the essence of why she shows more love for Elites than others.
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> There’s a lot of good lore and all that in other media and it’s written very well. Just a shame that the narrative lead for Halo 5 turned out to not have a shred of the authors’ talent or respect for the source material or we would have gotten a story which was told so much better. To me, the narration was the only thing lacking in Halo 5’s campaign, but it’s obviously an important aspect and one that ultimately made it subpar. The gameplay was great, the environments were incredibly pretty, and the music did justice to all of it.
I need to read it, i just kind of read the halopedia and watch videos, maybe it will shine more light in the matter, just that i got that kind of feel, like she enjoyed them a little too much, i know i sound like a hater, i like the elites, they are an interesting enemy and a good ally, but if i were in that universe i think it will be a little early to forgive and forget, they almost got humanity extinct, i know also it’s no time to pick a fight with them, but you know also not to thing of them as good guys
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> > Agent Maryland covered everything in great detail above. I’ll add a bit about Vale though. Hunters in the Dark covers a bit more of her backstory. Essentially, she studied Sangheili culture and language a lot which is why she has a deeper connection than others. She doesn’t love them more than humans of course, but she wants to see peace between the two. I don’t want to mention more since that might be a spoiler, but that’s the essence of why she shows more love for Elites than others.
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> > There’s a lot of good lore and all that in other media and it’s written very well. Just a shame that the narrative lead for Halo 5 turned out to not have a shred of the authors’ talent or respect for the source material or we would have gotten a story which was told so much better. To me, the narration was the only thing lacking in Halo 5’s campaign, but it’s obviously an important aspect and one that ultimately made it subpar. The gameplay was great, the environments were incredibly pretty, and the music did justice to all of it.
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> I need to read it, i just kind of read the halopedia and watch videos, maybe it will shine more light in the matter, just that i got that kind of feel, like she enjoyed them a little too much, i know i sound like a hater, i like the elites, they are an interesting enemy and a good ally, but if i were in that universe i think it will be a little early to forgive and forget, they almost got humanity extinct, i know also it’s no time to pick a fight with them, but you know also not to thing of them as good guys
Oh yeah, I hear that. It’s not easy for humans to do so as it’s natural to think of the very species that started the war and carried out the Prophets’ will as enemies for life. It’s something that Hunters in the Dark covers well too and would have been great to portray in some way in H5. Again, it’s sad the game just casually throws in this alliance without explaining anything unless the player has read other material.
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> > The Sangheili weren’t natural enemies of humanity though. The San’Shyuum lied to the Sangheili to end their war and get the warrior race on their side as their expendable muscle. Why? Because they knew the war would go on for ages to come; while the Prophets had the superior technology, the Elites had the superior battle prowess and tactical skills.
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> > It was always about collecting and re-engineering (against the Sangheili’s preference) Forerunner technology. Things they were made to believe were gifts left behind by their Gods meant solely for them for being so loyal to their faith. In fact, I’m fairly sure that the Covenant was actually ready to make a truce with humanity to bring them INTO their enlistment of species when they found out that Forerunner technology was actually meant to be reclaimed by the humans. Thus starting the bloody three decade war/genocidal campaign. The Prophets even named themselves accordingly for their shame with the Prophet of Truth being the most important; he hides the truth from the Covenant. The three Prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy knew that if the Covenant found out their new enemies were actually the ones ‘chosen by the Gods’ that it would break the Covenant. They also figured most of the Elites would side with the humans as it is somewhat known that most of the Sangheili have a modicum of respect for mankind.
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> > And guess what?
> >
> > They were right.
> >
> > The Arbiter lead a large faction of Sangheili against the remains of the Covenant as Truth fled to the Ark and then reformed what was left as well as those who would join on their home world into the Swords of Sangheilios.
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> > So it’s honestly not too strange to hear Buck call them ‘brothers in arms’; Buck has always considered anyone who stands by his side a fellow soldier worth noting. I mean, he worked alongside people he signed up to shoot for decades. Why is it so weird that OTHER beings NOT HUMAN fighting by his side are worth noting as fellow soldiers? Also, I don’t know if I can call what Vale has going on a ‘love for Elites’; she mostly just translates what goes on on the Covenant B-net and gives little history info dumps now and then on the Sangheilian species because she was bored while traveling through space when she was younger.
> >
> > So, if I remembered my lore correctly, that’s why. Anyone else who can fill in the gaps or correct me where I’m wrong; feel free to do so.
>
> Well not weird just because they are alien or ex enemies but because the covenant were especially cruel on his home planet, like when they let loose starving grunts and jackals on the civilian population, i mean, he is calling the same people who did that “brothers”
> With Vale well maybe it was just me but i got that feel, like she saying that prayer or whatever it was with the dead elites in sangheili or shouting something in sangheili when you go rescue the arbiter, i mean itsi for me like the same with Buck, why have that kind of respect to them? Arby himself got billions of people killed
> It’s for me like Hiddenxperia when he kind of trash talk ONI for having plans to undermine the Swords of Sangheilos, for that is kind of a natural thing to do, be prepared if arbiter turn on humanity
I’d sooner trust the Arbiter than I would ONI; let’s just leave it at that. lol