But you do… I play ranked and still use the other weapons. Needler is the most OP it’s been, the Mangler/Bulldog are also great guns, the commando needs work imo, the beam rifle (can’t remember it’s name) is way better than the BR when you know how to use it.
Like I don’t understand 343 at all because if there’s any Halo where the BR is somewhat balanced enough for BTB, it’s this one. Missed opportunity on their half, not only that but they’ve lost a lot of players because of the AR start and the player count isn’t great.
This narrative of “a better sandbox” just isn’t true at all, the weapons are all in your spawn, it’s not exploring. The AR is basically the BR but doesn’t require precision only the BR doesn’t leave you standing with the only option to stare at distance.
To be honest though, BR start isn’t anything but a scratch on the surface when it comes to that playlist being fixed, nothing about that wreck is BTB.
I cringe at people who want br starts. Facing br users now its literally just them camping on top of a building. If anything must change about the br it needs to be nerfed. High damage, long range, no bloom, no recoil. If someone catches you with a br there is pretty much nothing you can do unless you have immediate cover to get behind. People talk about the br taking so much skill to use, how? All you do is camp on top of something and pick players off, you dont even have to strafe unless they have a long range weapon too. Br starts would only make btb worse in terms of pvp interaction, because both teams will simply camp on top of their base and only an idiot would ever poke their head out because they would immediately get lasered by an entire team of br users. If facing br users is this annoying already i just cringe at people who want br starts. They like to push the idea that the br takes so much skill to use, but dont you ever think that, the only reason these 1000 iq pro masters of halo infinite have such a high kdr and accuracy stats, is because they only use the br? I personally avoid picking it up because it feels like a noob weapon if i am completely honest. I poke fun at enemy players based on how many br users at one time it takes to kill me.
This may or may not be slightly sarcastic… but, I kind of don’t want BR starts, so I can camp the BR spawn (assuming the RNG has it spawn) then (easier) pick off all the supposed social players running around with the AR that is given to them by default. Though, I do wonder if waiting on a legitimate weapon to engage most battles slows the pace of the game, but oh well!
I know this is a late reply post, but Halo 2 had SMG starts in BTB for over a year before they finally caved to the community. H2 BTB in Matchmaking was pretty bad for a long period of time, and still was bad with BR starts due to Vehicle control with buggy spawn systems. - Customs are a different story as was in HCE which was almost exclusively played by the community with custom settings to have M6D (or BR in H2) starts - because HCE believe it or not had Plasma Pistol starts by default on Blood Gulch.
Also, Halo 3 BTB did not have BR starts for a long period as well. I think with H3, it was different though like they were experimenting with playlist settings at the beginning.
If you’d have asked me a few weeks ago then I’d have been all up for BR starts in BTB, but now I understand the weapon sandbox better I believe that it would or at least could completely ruin BTB.
There would be little movement around the map, and you’d find common instances of teams spawn trapping others to the point where movement is totally restricted. Anyone that played Halo 5 Warzone will know that’s not a nice experience to be subjected to, and it could be easily replicated in BTB.
I love my BR and I don’t like playing BTB if I can’t get my hands on one, but they do spawn on the maps so I always try to get one. But if all 24 players had BRs then I just don’t see how it would be an enjoyable experience particularly when you came up well organised skilled teams.
What are you even talking about? The only thing the Infinite BR has going for it compared to most past variants is how easy it is to use. It is marginally better than the Halo 3 BR(on account of the near identical TTK), and the only thing demonstrably worse is the pre-patch Halo 4 BR.
Otherwise the Halo 2 BR, H2A BR, Post Patch H4 BR and both pre and post patch Halo 5 BRs roundly outclass the Infinite BR.
That doesn’t mean the Infinite BR should remain untouched(the BR and most other weapons need serious aim assist reductions), but it certainly isn’t a barrier to having BR starts
BTB doesn’t need BR starts and I greatly prefer BTB with AR starts, but I don’t see the harm in an optional playlist or having a 50/50 game type variation in match making.
For a game low on content, spawning with BRs in BTB sounds like it could be fun. It would change up how the maps are played. Spawning with the Commando rifle as an alternative would be interesting for the same reasons. BTB is balanced well enough with AR and Pistol spawns, but that doesn’t have to be the only starting combination.
I will genuinely be interested in this as it will test everyone’s skill. I feel like there should be modes where the game literally tosses you into matches with different weapons (like only Shock Rifle, only Mangler, only Ravager, etc) - sounds fun.
No way. They should definitely keep BR a pickup in most social game modes. I actually want to enjoy the sandbox as a whole instead of not using it due to one weapon dominating. Why do you all have Stockholm syndrome for the BR? It was never healthy in h2/3.
BR Starts on BTB Maps would be a huge mistake.
Don’t want to somehow sound arrogant, but it seems to me that this is one of the things where I think that the community is not aware of the issues that would come with such changes.
Every Halo Game with “Crossmap” Weapon Starts had huge issues in terms of Balancing and Map-Design.
Halo 2, to a certain Degree
Halo 2A
Halo Reach
All of these Games are plagued by the same issue on BTB Maps (Or on Arena Maps with very open Sightlines)
Your Movement will get very restricted, the moment you move more towards the center, you’ll get crossmapped. This will lead to camping.
To prevent that, 343 will design every BTB Map hyper competitive.
To makes things worse, the Infinite BR is by far the easiest BR in any Halo Game to use. It somehow tops the H2A BR or even the H2 “legendary” Weapon in H5, which was supposed to be a Powerweapon.
I usually hear the same thing: “But the BR in Halo Infinite feels so good, they should definitely use it in BTB” - Of course it feels good, when you and 2 other Players are the only ones with a BR. Imagine 24 Players with BR’s that perform similiar to the best version of a BR, DMR & Sniper combined.
This has nothing to do with me hating on the BR. But I can guarantee you, that BTB would suffer directly from such a step.
People are complaining 24/7 about Behemoth in Ranked. Imagine the effects it would have on BTB Maps. Vehicle Combat would suffer even more from such a mistake.
It doesn’t even make sense and you do not realize it. You can not complain about Ranked Behemoth with BR Starts on one hand and demand BR’s on BTB Maps on the other hand.
The sidekick is not my favourite starting Weapon either, but just from a gameplay perspective the engagements in Infinite feel way closer to H3 BTB, due to it’s effective range.
Infinites BR would make this playlist even worse than Reach’s BTB.
I’d rather have a Battle Rifle in my hand when I spawn than an Assault Rifle and a pea shooter any day of the week ESPECIALLY on maps that are 2x-3x bigger than maps we had in older Halo games. I’m not gonna try to get within 20 feet constantly of the enemy on these types of maps, I’m sitting back most of the time and picking off from a far.