i think AR/Pistol would be better since you couldn’t be spawn camped half of the game
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> > > I’m not opposed to the idea of using REQ variants of weapons for starters, but what I’ve gotten from this post is that BTB needs some form of magnum starts, even if it’s using variants of the weapon, regardless of the issues that the magnum itself may present. Because in the end, if the maps, even the remakes, aren’t made for Halo 5, they will fail. This refresh has fixed the issues with Viking but it & Deadlock still suffer from BR starts.
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> > > The points of stagnation, independent empowerment, and usefulness of Warthogs are still key factors of BTB and Halo 5’s sandbox and the reason the magnum is the go-to loadout weapon while he BR does some heavy damage to all three of those.
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> > The BR starts, which could be replaced with Recon DMR starts, I believe are intended to the solve the issue of ammo, not potential range damage, for the spawning precision.
> > However, due to the more open structure of BTB maps for vehicle use and larger team killboxes, I believe the AR suffers a bit from range potential. Observe;
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> > The Recon AR should be able to pepper vehicles for a BTB’s intentions, without damaging the CQB-Short ranged component, obviously, IMO. Unscoped, it’s no different than before, at range, it allows for more freedom of use, like it has in 4x4 Arena maps.
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Those graphs are from the videos of the CageyBee, if you look closely at the top of each image where the title is.
Ar/Dmr
but he talks about the BR as well. Why is that not mentioned? Best starting weapon ever.
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> but he talks about the BR as well. Why is that not mentioned? Best starting weapon ever.
CE magnum is the best starting weapon ever
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well ok then. I like BR so, yeah. lol but srsly. I started in 3 so maybe that’s why I don’t see the big deal really but yeah. Is what it is.
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> well ok then. I like BR so, yeah. lol but srsly. I started in 3 so maybe that’s why I don’t see the big deal really but yeah. Is what it is.
I do too, never said what my favorite weapon is either, I’m just saying the CE magnum is the best starting weapon ever, of any game, ever.
what big deal so you miss? Why we want magnum starts in btb? In short balance is the issue. The h5 BR isn’t the BR in previous games, it plays to differently that ruins it as a starting weapon.
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> > well ok then. I like BR so, yeah. lol but srsly. I started in 3 so maybe that’s why I don’t see the big deal really but yeah. Is what it is.
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> what big deal so you miss? Why we want magnum starts in btb? In short balance is the issue. The h5 BR isn’t the BR in previous games, it plays to differently that ruins it as a starting weapon.
Yeah, now that you specify starts I guess pistol is better.
and huh. Very true
Idk I’m fine with br
Vehicles are my primary reason for playing BTB and they’re pointless to use. Wasp? Immediately BR’d. Hog? Immediately BR’d. It also makes attacking a base in objective based modes a impossible because enemies just post up on their base like sentries and gun down anyone who gets near.
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> Vehicles are my primary reason for playing BTB and they’re pointless to use. Wasp? Immediately BR’d. Hog? Immediately BR’d.
That’s one thing that I would wonder about. For example, a Wasp could just hover out of a magnum’s range and maybe even an AR’s range while raining down fire. It wouldn’t be good if the wrong people had the limited appropriate weapons to counter it.
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But that’s the point of high tier weapons. It’s about map awareness and control. It wasn’t an issue in older Halo’s and back then they didn’t even announce when the weapons would spawn 
Yeah, that’s true. I think this game has just made me more pessimistic because of the terrible matching system when playing solo.
Como quitar la magnum si es una de mis favoritas!
yeah this could be a fun change
No. The Magnum is good weapon but has limit to its range and rate of fire. The BR works with BTB since its pretty much superior of the Magnum. Unless its the CE Magnum
maybe a mix of ar/magnum and ar/br starts? both sides are satisfied and it changes map dynamic giving a different feel to the same map
In reality, assuming competent aim, the BR only outpaces the magnum at longer ranges. This is due to the longer aim assist range and better scope. The same holds true for virtually every precision compared against another (for the most part). For better or worse this fact can and often does have widespread impacts on gameplay. As an example, when maps are larger and everyone starts with or ends up with a rifle on spawn engagements naturally tend toward longer ranges. Gameplay arguably slows down because it’s more likely to get dropped by BR fire from across the map. Vehicles can be taken down more easily from longer ranges. The list goes on.
Personally, I find gameplay improves when rifles see lower usage and, conversely, the magnum sees more. Decision making, raw aim, awareness and teamwork become more important when you cannot rely on the range advantage offered by rifles all of the time. I’ve seen such situations play out in warzone when, due to a glitch, reqs stopped working for literally everyone from the start of the game until the end. With this in mind I’d count myself in the “more magnum, less rifle, more better” camp. In the end it is my opinion though. So other players are well within their rights to disagree.
I mean yeah but I don’t care that much, AR/Mag is every other playlist and I love me some BR…
The reason why 343 doesnt listen to.us is because twe always complain.
If they took away the brs… there would be fury and panic and chaos on this site.
If they dont take them away… still got people here saying this and that.
Its simple. Br stays. Because big maps gun range. Br has gun range.
Good angles and teamwork and position get BTB wins.
The pistol is irrelevant.