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> The reason why 343 doesnt listen to.us is because twe always complain.
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> If they took away the brs… there would be fury and panic and chaos on this site.
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> If they dont take them away… still got people here saying this and that.
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> Its simple. Br stays. Because big maps gun range. Br has gun range.
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> Good angles and teamwork and position get BTB wins.
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> The pistol is irrelevant.
There is much more to this than the damn size of the maps and the range of a weapon. Much. Much more.
The only big team battle map I wish had Ar/mag starts would be the Standoff remake (Can’t remember name.) You can’t go anywhere on that map without being sniped by battle rifles.
I wouldn’t mind the change because I know the br/dmr/lr spawns on the maps.
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> > How many of you want it. Let’s get this to the front page. I encourage forgers and BTB map creators to comment and create topics about this.
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> > Edit: The basis for this topic can be sumed up in this 7 minute video Battle Rifle or Magnum Starts in BTB? (Halo 5 Design Talk) - YouTube
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> they already had a survey for this.
where and was it on the sub reddit, waypoint or their twitter? could ya link?
If AR/Magnum starts came to BTB, it’d become my go-to playlist for sure. Really hope this happens. I’d be perfectly content with a mix of AR/BR starts on certain maps and AR/Magnum starts for the rest.
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> > > How many of you want it. Let’s get this to the front page. I encourage forgers and BTB map creators to comment and create topics about this.
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> > > Edit: The basis for this topic can be sumed up in this 7 minute video Battle Rifle or Magnum Starts in BTB? (Halo 5 Design Talk) - YouTube
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> > they already had a survey for this.
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> where and was it on the sub reddit, waypoint or their twitter? could ya link?
you have to join the Halo Community Feedback Program to get the surveys.
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> > > > How many of you want it. Let’s get this to the front page. I encourage forgers and BTB map creators to comment and create topics about this.
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> > > > Edit: The basis for this topic can be sumed up in this 7 minute video Battle Rifle or Magnum Starts in BTB? (Halo 5 Design Talk) - YouTube
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> > > they already had a survey for this.
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> > where and was it on the sub reddit, waypoint or their twitter? could ya link?
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> you have to join the Halo Community Feedback Program to get the surveys.
Do you know what the results where? Did people vouch for Br’s or magnums?
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> > > > > How many of you want it. Let’s get this to the front page. I encourage forgers and BTB map creators to comment and create topics about this.
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> > > > > Edit: The basis for this topic can be sumed up in this 7 minute video Battle Rifle or Magnum Starts in BTB? (Halo 5 Design Talk) - YouTube
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> > > > they already had a survey for this.
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> > > where and was it on the sub reddit, waypoint or their twitter? could ya link?
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> Do you know what the results where? Did people vouch for Br’s or magnums?
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> > Definitely NOT! I would be extremely disappointed if they made us start with the pistol on those giant maps…
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> And the support for that statement is… where?
That’s actually an opinion, hence me saying “I” would be disappointed.
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> > > Definitely NOT! I would be extremely disappointed if they made us start with the pistol on those giant maps…
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> > And the support for that statement is… where?
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> That’s actually an opinion, hence me saying “I” would be disappointed.
Still need to give some sort of detail. It’s easy for me to say I prefer X and in return get ignored cuz it adds nothing where as saying why X is better, how it compares to other X, how it improves over other X, ect ect would hold more to it cuz you at least mentioned why.
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> > Not in Halo 5. The Halo 5 magnum is too powerful a precision weapon to spawn with imo. I mean, seriously, you RARELY see people using their AR if the have a pistol load it weapon too; and I’ve witnessed multiple times where a spartan will run over other precision weapons just because they prefer the magnum because of how powerful it is.
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> The BR is way more powerful and easier to use than a magnum.
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> > I say keep the BR cause one, its a far better weapon and two, the BR/DMR(for Halo Reach), has always been the secondary weapon for BTB so there’s no need to change it. I always play BTB and the gameplay of the maps felt great and flowed well. If you want Magnum starts, then honestly that should be a separate BTB playlist. That way the guys who want Magnum starts and the people like me who want to keep BR starts will be happy as well. Everyone wins.
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> > Also another part of my argument. The BR is actually useful at taking out Warthog and Mongoose pilots so replacing them with Magnums would screw over the infantry and their chances to take out the vehicle pilots.
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> The entire reason we want magnum starts is so that we can use vehicles again. The BR can easily take out warthog gunners, making them useless. And just because the BR has always been the starting weapon, doesn’t mean it should stay that way. The BR we have now and the BR from H2&H3 are two different guns.
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> > I honestly get tired of using the pistol and ar start for every gametype. I think it should stay, btb has always had BR starts and since it’s the only playlist in the entire game with it, it can stay.
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> SWAT has it. May not be traditional slayer but neither is BTB. BTB is not the BR playlist, it’s the large scale vehicular warfare playlist. So stop trying to make it something it’s not.
Its NEVER been anything but BR starts so why dont you stop trying to make it something its not?
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> > > Not in Halo 5. The Halo 5 magnum is too powerful a precision weapon to spawn with imo. I mean, seriously, you RARELY see people using their AR if the have a pistol load it weapon too; and I’ve witnessed multiple times where a spartan will run over other precision weapons just because they prefer the magnum because of how powerful it is.
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> > > I say keep the BR cause one, its a far better weapon and two, the BR/DMR(for Halo Reach), has always been the secondary weapon for BTB so there’s no need to change it. I always play BTB and the gameplay of the maps felt great and flowed well. If you want Magnum starts, then honestly that should be a separate BTB playlist. That way the guys who want Magnum starts and the people like me who want to keep BR starts will be happy as well. Everyone wins.
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> > > Also another part of my argument. The BR is actually useful at taking out Warthog and Mongoose pilots so replacing them with Magnums would screw over the infantry and their chances to take out the vehicle pilots.
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> > The entire reason we want magnum starts is so that we can use vehicles again. The BR can easily take out warthog gunners, making them useless. And just because the BR has always been the starting weapon, doesn’t mean it should stay that way. The BR we have now and the BR from H2&H3 are two different guns.
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> > > I honestly get tired of using the pistol and ar start for every gametype. I think it should stay, btb has always had BR starts and since it’s the only playlist in the entire game with it, it can stay.
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> > SWAT has it. May not be traditional slayer but neither is BTB. BTB is not the BR playlist, it’s the large scale vehicular warfare playlist. So stop trying to make it something it’s not.
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> Its NEVER been anything but BR starts so why don’t you stop trying to make it something its not?
CE, Halo Reach, and Halo 4 would LOVE a chat with you. It’s been BR starts in three of the six Halo games only because they happen to have the BR or didn’t have loadouts like Halo 4. That’s not “NEVER been anything but BR starts”
You’re going to need a hell of a lot more than “It’s always been that way so stop trying to change it!” I’ve given you BR fanboys plenty of times to defend your opinion on this topic and so far the only person who’s provided actual facts was thy ReaperMC and he’s not even a BR fanboy he’s just really smart and he said he’d allow magnum starts regardless!
So, where are the facts supporting BR starts in BTB?
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> > > > Not in Halo 5. The Halo 5 magnum is too powerful a precision weapon to spawn with imo. I mean, seriously, you RARELY see people using their AR if the have a pistol load it weapon too; and I’ve witnessed multiple times where a spartan will run over other precision weapons just because they prefer the magnum because of how powerful it is.
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> > > The BR is way more powerful and easier to use than a magnum.
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> > > > I say keep the BR cause one, its a far better weapon and two, the BR/DMR(for Halo Reach), has always been the secondary weapon for BTB so there’s no need to change it. I always play BTB and the gameplay of the maps felt great and flowed well. If you want Magnum starts, then honestly that should be a separate BTB playlist. That way the guys who want Magnum starts and the people like me who want to keep BR starts will be happy as well. Everyone wins.
> > > >
> > > > Also another part of my argument. The BR is actually useful at taking out Warthog and Mongoose pilots so replacing them with Magnums would screw over the infantry and their chances to take out the vehicle pilots.
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> > >
> > > The entire reason we want magnum starts is so that we can use vehicles again. The BR can easily take out warthog gunners, making them useless. And just because the BR has always been the starting weapon, doesn’t mean it should stay that way. The BR we have now and the BR from H2&H3 are two different guns.
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> > > > I honestly get tired of using the pistol and ar start for every gametype. I think it should stay, btb has always had BR starts and since it’s the only playlist in the entire game with it, it can stay.
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> > > SWAT has it. May not be traditional slayer but neither is BTB. BTB is not the BR playlist, it’s the large scale vehicular warfare playlist. So stop trying to make it something it’s not.
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> > Its NEVER been anything but BR starts so why don’t you stop trying to make it something its not?
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> CE, Halo Reach, and Halo 4 would LOVE a chat with you. It’s been BR starts in three of the six Halo games only because they happen to have the BR or didn’t have loadouts like Halo 4. That’s not “NEVER been anything but BR starts”
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> You’re going to need a hell of a lot more than “It’s always been that way so stop trying to change it!” I’ve given you BR fanboys plenty of times to defend your opinion on this topic and so far the only person who’s provided actual facts was thy ReaperMC and he’s not even a BR fanboy he’s just really smart and he said he’d allow magnum starts regardless!
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> So, where are the facts supporting BR starts in BTB?
Where are your facts supporting AR starts in BTB? You have nothing but opinion as well. Also CE was the only BTB without some sort of rifle to choose from for a starting weapon as Reach and H4 had load outs. But in CE the pistol was very powerful and practically a BR. BR starts are very popular and to take BR starts from the only playlist that currently offers it in arena wouldn’t be a good idea. I think the best option is to bring back the variants when you would have slayer(AR/pistol start) and slayer pro(BR/AR start) would be a good compromise and maybe even test to see how players like it.
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> > Vehicles would be OP in BTB without BR’s.
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> Show me a video/thread/anything that confirms that because right now that’s an opinion with nothing backing it up
The BR deals more damage than the pistol. 5 BR’s will take a Banshee down quicker than 5 pistols. A couple maps would be good for pistols, but you couldn’t make all of BTB pistols.
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> > > > > Not in Halo 5. The Halo 5 magnum is too powerful a precision weapon to spawn with imo. I mean, seriously, you RARELY see people using their AR if the have a pistol load it weapon too; and I’ve witnessed multiple times where a spartan will run over other precision weapons just because they prefer the magnum because of how powerful it is.
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> > > > > I say keep the BR cause one, its a far better weapon and two, the BR/DMR(for Halo Reach), has always been the secondary weapon for BTB so there’s no need to change it. I always play BTB and the gameplay of the maps felt great and flowed well. If you want Magnum starts, then honestly that should be a separate BTB playlist. That way the guys who want Magnum starts and the people like me who want to keep BR starts will be happy as well. Everyone wins.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also another part of my argument. The BR is actually useful at taking out Warthog and Mongoose pilots so replacing them with Magnums would screw over the infantry and their chances to take out the vehicle pilots.
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> > > >
> > > > The entire reason we want magnum starts is so that we can use vehicles again. The BR can easily take out warthog gunners, making them useless. And just because the BR has always been the starting weapon, doesn’t mean it should stay that way. The BR we have now and the BR from H2&H3 are two different guns.
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> > > > > I honestly get tired of using the pistol and ar start for every gametype. I think it should stay, btb has always had BR starts and since it’s the only playlist in the entire game with it, it can stay.
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> > > > SWAT has it. May not be traditional slayer but neither is BTB. BTB is not the BR playlist, it’s the large scale vehicular warfare playlist. So stop trying to make it something it’s not.
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> > > Its NEVER been anything but BR starts so why don’t you stop trying to make it something its not?
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> > CE, Halo Reach, and Halo 4 would LOVE a chat with you. It’s been BR starts in three of the six Halo games only because they happen to have the BR or didn’t have loadouts like Halo 4. That’s not “NEVER been anything but BR starts”
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> > You’re going to need a hell of a lot more than “It’s always been that way so stop trying to change it!” I’ve given you BR fanboys plenty of times to defend your opinion on this topic and so far the only person who’s provided actual facts was thy ReaperMC and he’s not even a BR fanboy he’s just really smart and he said he’d allow magnum starts regardless!
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> > So, where are the facts supporting BR starts in BTB?
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> Where are your facts supporting AR starts in BTB? You have nothing but opinion as well. Also CE was the only BTB without some sort of rifle to choose from for a starting weapon as Reach and H4 had load outs. But in CE the pistol was very powerful and practically a BR. BR starts are very popular and to take BR starts from the only playlist that currently offers it in arena wouldn’t be a good idea. I think the best option is to bring back the variants when you would have slayer(AR/pistol start) and slayer pro(BR/AR start) would be a good compromise and maybe even test to see how players like it.
Page 1 of this whole thread, look around a bit I’ve got this whole thread and others littered with this stuff. Quotes, facts, videos, you name it, I have it.
Halo 5’s BR is not the same BR as previous Halo games. The argument that BR starts has always been BTB’s thing simply won’t work no matter how much you try. It’s RRR is much longer, has tighter spread, is now a hitscan weapon (compared to H3’s), and better hit registration. This leads to stagnation, making vehicles useless, and other issues
“Yes, it was designed for Mag & AR starts.” - TimeDipper (author of Dispelled)
“Pistol starts work great on Halvalla. I’d rather that than br starts on it.” - no god anywhere (author of Viking)
“I do think BR starts need to go… I actually designed Entombed for AR/Pistol starts… that is why there is BR’s placed around the map…lol” - Ducain23 (author of Entombed and famous forger)
“We tested all the new BTB maps with Pistol/AR starts. They all played much better. Deadlock became the vehicle playground it was intended to be. Hopefully, they make the right decision and rid BTB of BR starts.” -Nokyard (author of Deadlock and famous Grifball forger)
“I see that everyone is advocating for magnum starts in the BTB playlist and I’m glad to see the support for it. Unyshek has been trying to create a trial period for magnum starts in the Big Team Battle playlist for quite some time now. We need to show more interest for magnum starts as a community to help convince some higher ups from the MP team.” - Warholic (co-author of the new Antifreeze and famous forger)
“Yes, they were. Most of us forgers have been designing all maps, including BTB, with Magnum starts in mind. The Magnum is the optimal starting weapon in Halo 5, and is what the rest of the sandbox was designed around. It’s also more balanced than the BR when facing multiple opponents. The BR kills in four shots, meaning two players shooting one each have to fire twice. With the Magnum, one of those players will have to fire a third time, lengthening the TTK slightly which allows the enemy player a greater chance at fighting back. This, in combination with its shorter range, allows players to more effectively fight their way out of potential spawn traps, increases the viability of vehicles, and further segments the maps by distance and makes them play larger than they currently do.” - Squally DaBeanz (author of Fracture and co-author of the new Recurve and Antifreeze)
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> The BR deals more damage than the pistol. 5 BR’s will take a Banshee down quicker than 5 pistols. A couple maps would be good for pistols, but you couldn’t make all of BTB pistols.
You can’t, and not all of them will. But 75% of the maps would be greatly improved with magnum starts.
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> > > > Not in Halo 5. The Halo 5 magnum is too powerful a precision weapon to spawn with imo. I mean, seriously, you RARELY see people using their AR if the have a pistol load it weapon too; and I’ve witnessed multiple times where a spartan will run over other precision weapons just because they prefer the magnum because of how powerful it is.
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> > > > I say keep the BR cause one, its a far better weapon and two, the BR/DMR(for Halo Reach), has always been the secondary weapon for BTB so there’s no need to change it. I always play BTB and the gameplay of the maps felt great and flowed well. If you want Magnum starts, then honestly that should be a separate BTB playlist. That way the guys who want Magnum starts and the people like me who want to keep BR starts will be happy as well. Everyone wins.
> > > >
> > > > Also another part of my argument. The BR is actually useful at taking out Warthog and Mongoose pilots so replacing them with Magnums would screw over the infantry and their chances to take out the vehicle pilots.
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> > > The entire reason we want magnum starts is so that we can use vehicles again. The BR can easily take out warthog gunners, making them useless. And just because the BR has always been the starting weapon, doesn’t mean it should stay that way. The BR we have now and the BR from H2&H3 are two different guns.
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> > > > I honestly get tired of using the pistol and ar start for every gametype. I think it should stay, btb has always had BR starts and since it’s the only playlist in the entire game with it, it can stay.
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> > > SWAT has it. May not be traditional slayer but neither is BTB. BTB is not the BR playlist, it’s the large scale vehicular warfare playlist. So stop trying to make it something it’s not.
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> > Its NEVER been anything but BR starts so why don’t you stop trying to make it something its not?
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> CE, Halo Reach, and Halo 4 would LOVE a chat with you. It’s been BR starts in three of the six Halo games only because they happen to have the BR or didn’t have loadouts like Halo 4. That’s not “NEVER been anything but BR starts”
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> You’re going to need a hell of a lot more than “It’s always been that way so stop trying to change it!” I’ve given you BR fanboys plenty of times to defend your opinion on this topic and so far the only person who’s provided actual facts was thy ReaperMC and he’s not even a BR fanboy he’s just really smart and he said he’d allow magnum starts regardless!
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> So, where are the facts supporting BR starts in BTB?
CE didn’t have the BR cuz it didn’t exist and cuz the pistol was OP anyways, reach didn’t have the BR it was DMR, not pistol. If it had a BR it would’ve been there. Halo 4 was dumb in the first place but it still had load outs with BR and DMR as well as Lightrifle and Carbine, AND NO PISTOL!!! Why don’t you just stop hating on the BR and learn how to use it. It’s pistol/ar starts in every playlist if that don’t satisfy you then your just complaining too much. The BR is only in swat 33% of the time (if that) and in BTB. Literally everything else including swat for 33% of the time is pistol starts.