BTB is still Extremely Broken

Games Other Halo
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I just got back from a game on Exile (of course) where the top few enemies’ favorite weapon were sticky grenades.
why are they in Loadouts in the first place? they completely defeat the purpose of vehicles… or actually trying to get kills
Why is 343i trying to Spoonfeed kids free kills in BTB with all these crappy loadout options?
but in the context of BTB, they break vehicle combat horrifically
unless you’re using a power vehicle like the guass hog, or Scorpion, you won’t get anywhere near 5 or more kills

Remember when the Ghost was a good threat?
remember when it had actual armor?
remember when people actually timed their jumps in order to stay alive around one?

now, in Halo 4, it takes only a single clip of DMR fire to take one out
and if one is going for a splatter, you don’t even need to jump anymore, just chuck a Plasma Grenade at it, and you win!
it doesn’t matter if you still get flattened by it, because you still get the kill

remember when the LAAG hog was a huge threat with a good gunner or driver?
remember when you had to scramble for power weapons if one came by?

now in Halo 4, if someone hears that marginally misplaced engine in the distance, no one worries, they just EMP it, and stick it twice.
Free double kill!

i have yet to find a Driver who can obtain more than 8 wheelmans in a LAAG hog, it’s ridiculous

remember when the banshee acted like an attack plane?
remember when it didn’t hug the ground 24/7?
remember when a good pilot could actually be a threat to your team?

In Halo 4, i have yet to see a banshee pilot stay higher than 10 feet in the air
and i have yet to see a pilot that doesn’t Kamikaze the nearest power vehicle

and either way, all people have to do it EMP it, and Jack it/blow it up

speaking of Hi-jacking, people don’t do that anymore
Once a vehicle is EMP’d, a huge barrage of sticky grenades comes at the vehicle, no one ever hi-jacks anything anymore
they only look at the short-term goals: a Free kill!

and the few that attempt to hi-jack something find themselves surrounded by allied stickies, as their moronic teammates want free kills also

also referring to Jacking, why can’t you actually Hi-jack tanks anymore
if you board one, and try punching it, you blow up the tank before you kill the driver, no matter the vehicle, or pilot’s health

i picked up Halo for its vehicle combat, and now that it currently complete Garbage, Halo is quickly becoming less fun for me

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I agree with everything you said.

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I think you are exaggerating…and with a lot imho. After 820 games of BTB I don´t experience the things you are …not at all. Ok, a little less plasma would be even more fun…And of course a tougher Warthog and Scorpion would be fun. But overall, the battles is fun. I have a decent amount of kills both in the Ghost and the Banshee. You just have to plan carefull and not mindlessly attack and getting +10 kills in the aircraft is pretty easy.

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> You just have to plan carefull and not mindlessly attack and getting +10 kills in the aircraft is pretty easy.

i’m not exaggerating, honestly
and i’m not one of those derps that thinks every vehicle was made for splatters and lols

i know what i’m doing
and i don’t know about you, but
if i climb in a banshee, i get spammed by DMR fire into critical condition before i can even find a target… and i’m not even flying that high

if i get in a ghost, and try and splatter someone, they stick me, i die
if i try and use guns, i can get one kill most of the time, but i then get DMR spammed into critical condition…or i explode, usually the former

i play BTB for vehicles 80% of the time, you’ll always find me driving something, and if you don’t find me in a vehicle, it’s because there are none to drive

i guess you’re just finding very ignorant enemies…

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DMR, Ordinance, and the lack of Objective KILLS Big team battle.

Its basically action sack.

“Hey, lets give 6 people on the other team power weapons through this ordinance drop thing! YEAH GREAT IDEA!”

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> DMR, Ordinance, and the lack of Objective KILLS Big team battle.

Exactly

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Extremely is an extreme word to use… Lets just leave it at Simply Broken

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Ordinance does take away from the spirit of BTB, holding map locations for the specific purpose of keeping power weapons. However, I think there is a larger problem in the map options. There are 4 BTB maps - if you are lucky and face 8 other people with the map pack there are 6. Variety is needed.

343 has been making great steps in other playlists, providing stripped down versions of gametypes, integrating new community made maps and listening to community concerns. Without a doubt though BTB is one of the most populus playlists - and other than the MLG/AGL group has the most vocal group of followers.

Why does it seem that they turn a blind eye to BTB? It is hardly mentioned in updates. When it is, it seems like lip-service and nothing more.

Look back to all previous Halo games; in each BTB has included one huge portion that 343 has removed - objective gametypes! We understand that assault is no longer an option, but the flagship (no pun intended) opjective gametype is Capture the Flag. Why is it, 6 month after launch, still missing from the most populus playlist?

343 are you worried about objective holding? Can we just get some explanation as to why any sort of object has yet to implemented in BTB. It has been a core part of every Halo game - and on our end appears to be an extremely easy, not to mention quick fix.

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> Ordinance does take away from the spirit of BTB, holding map locations for the specific purpose of keeping power weapons. However, I think there is a larger problem in the map options. There are 4 BTB maps - if you are lucky and face 8 other people with the map pack there are 6. Variety is needed.
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> 343 has been making great steps in other playlists, providing stripped down versions of gametypes, integrating new community made maps and listening to community concerns. Without a doubt though BTB is one of the most populus playlists - and other than the MLG/AGL group has the most vocal group of followers.
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> Why does it seem that they turn a blind eye to BTB? It is hardly mentioned in updates. When it is, it seems like lip-service and nothing more.
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> Look back to all previous Halo games; in each BTB has included one huge portion that 343 has removed - objective gametypes! We understand that assault is no longer an option, but the flagship (no pun intended) opjective gametype is Capture the Flag. Why is it, 6 month after launch, still missing from the most populus playlist?
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> 343 are you worried about objective holding? Can we just get some explanation as to why any sort of object has yet to implemented in BTB. It has been a core part of every Halo game - and on our end appears to be an extremely easy, not to mention quick fix.

while i do agree there is a huge lack of Objective BTB, i think 343i should focus on Fixing BTB as it currently stands

imagine trying to retrieve the flag carrier with the current warthog, you’ll get spammed with 10x more stickies that you normally do

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vehicles have been broken since reach, although halo 4 is even worse about it. also in both reach and halo 4 there are pretty much no maps with vehicles for 4v4 play which is really weird and boring.

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The last game I played, I got a killing frenzy in the tank and then in the Gauss.

The other players had stickies and plasma pistols, but if they cant get close, it does not matter.

If you are not doing well, adjust your tactics.

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> The last game I played, I got a killing frenzy in the tank and then in the Gauss.
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> The other players had stickies and plasma pistols, but if they cant get close, it does not matter.
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> If you are not doing well, adjust your tactics.

try getting a frenzy in a LAAG hog, then tell me to “adjust my tactics”

i don’t mean to get offensive, but comparing the Guass/Tank to a LAAG hog/Ghost is like comparing an Orange to an Apple

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I have to say that the Plasma pistol and plasma grenades are only annoying when someone gets close. These weapons will only be a problem the day where a whole uses them. I pray that day never comes. But it was always fun to pick up the pod rockets and take out the warthog duo or banshee lone wolf who were on killing sprees.

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Allot of this rant I find contradicts my own personal experience.

But yeah, vehicles need a buff.

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Preach, OP! Preach. I miss Halo 3 BTB.

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While I’m okay with loadouts, it’s the DMR, lack of vehicles (Halo 3 Heavy FTW!), non-power weapons doing damage to vehicles, and vehicles having health (and invisible health at that!) that’s ruining BTB.

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> Allot of this rant I find contradicts my own personal experience.
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> But yeah, vehicles need a buff.

Indeed, indeed! Most of my top medals are from the Banshee (both Ragnarok and Exile).

Mongoose: I only use it for transportation. If I need to go somewhere really quick.

Hog: Often same as Mongoose (and that is of course a little sad) and also as base defence. I just use the turret if the pressure needs it (mostly on Ragnarok), but if someone jumps in to drive it I usually jump out. Sometimes I use it to crash into enemies gausshog. That is actually fun (Kamikaze style and taking one for the team), but you have to be carefull and plan your attack (when the gauss is realoading).

Ghost: Love it, and use it regularly. Plan your trip and it is pretty easy to get a killing spree. More than that is asking to much. But I got 17 kills once :slight_smile: I also use it to back up my team mates and keep the enemy “down”. To many just go full boost and if there are more than 2 enemies together don´t push it, better to be defensive.

Banshee: Love it and my Untouchable where in a Banshee on Exile. Just go for one kill at a time and then boost away quick as hell. I also monitor where the gauss and tank is. No way I will attempt to bringing them down on a regurlarly basis.

Scorpion: A tip is to let a team mate get into the turret. Sometimes when I am trying to do that, I can´t because the driver is mindless. If you have a teammate running besides stop for a second so he can get on. More power is better.

Wraith: I think the boost is way to short and the load time is to long. On Vortex it is very hard getting more kills than in a Ghost…That can´t be right.

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> Allot of this rant I find contradicts my own personal experience.

could you give an example?

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> > Ordinance does take away from the spirit of BTB, holding map locations for the specific purpose of keeping power weapons. However, I think there is a larger problem in the map options. There are 4 BTB maps - if you are lucky and face 8 other people with the map pack there are 6. Variety is needed.
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> > 343 has been making great steps in other playlists, providing stripped down versions of gametypes, integrating new community made maps and listening to community concerns. Without a doubt though BTB is one of the most populus playlists - and other than the MLG/AGL group has the most vocal group of followers.
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> > Why does it seem that they turn a blind eye to BTB? It is hardly mentioned in updates. When it is, it seems like lip-service and nothing more.
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> > Look back to all previous Halo games; in each BTB has included one huge portion that 343 has removed - objective gametypes! We understand that assault is no longer an option, but the flagship (no pun intended) opjective gametype is Capture the Flag. Why is it, 6 month after launch, still missing from the most populus playlist?
> >
> > 343 are you worried about objective holding? Can we just get some explanation as to why any sort of object has yet to implemented in BTB. It has been a core part of every Halo game - and on our end appears to be an extremely easy, not to mention quick fix.
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> while i do agree there is a huge lack of Objective BTB, i think 343i should focus on Fixing BTB as it currently stands
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> imagine trying to retrieve the flag carrier with the current warthog, you’ll get spammed with 10x more stickies that you normally do

You definitely have a point, there is a strong desire for the stripped down version of BTB slayer; no custom loadouts, no armor abilitie, etc. We now know they have the capability.

It still seems that all we get is lip service. We have great influencers in the community like Bravo and gh057ayame, but their focus is on MLG/AGL play. What we need is that sort of representation on the larger gametype front.

Simply put, I think we all want to see more from 343 in terms of actions - rather than the occasional mention of BTB. Give us some meat here 343!

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OP, and everyone else, I hate to rain on your parade, but you’re wasting your time. 343 does not care. If they did, some of the actual problems would have been addressed by now. The forums aren’t gonna get behind you, well over half of the posters here have their heads so far up 343’s rear end that they’re absolutely oblivious to logic or objectivity. You’d be better off convincing the religious right that god doesn’t exist.

This game is going to be an absolute bomb for the duration of its run, guys. I feel your pain, I tried to play MP for the first time in a couple of months yesterday and was quickly reminded why I had stopped, when someone on the other team got a magic binary rifle via POD and the game turned completely around. But unless you’re just venting, the criticism is useless. You want your voice heard? Stop playing. Let the game’s abysmal online population speak for itself. Just do what I do and play offline campaign, the only enjoyable part of this mess.