BTB is absolute garbage.

Games Other Halo
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I’ve tried and tried again to see the good in BTB for Halo 4, but I just can’t.

Vehicle combat is dead due to Plasma Grenade babies, and the overwhelming frequency of Spartan Laser drops.

You cannot drive anywhere without being blown up by some kid spamming his LT. Even if you manage to kill them, guess what? More Plasma Grenades! Yaaaaay.

343i, you wanted to build more vehicle friendly maps. And you failed spectacularly. Even if you’re a good driver, you can’t go anywhere. And DMRs still wreck vehicles.

The ordnance drop frequency needs to be toned down a lot. Every single time I get in a Warthog, I always seem to notice a little red beam shining on my bonnet.

Tanks are useless against infantry with Plasma Pistols and Plasma Grenades.

And before any of you say ‘You have to work as a team to make your vehicle last longer’, all it takes is one person from their team of eight to take your vehicle down.

Not only is vehicle combat dead and buried, but map movement has been obliterated by DMR starts. Again.

Why move around when you can just sit in the same spot where you can either camo-snipe, or shoot across the map with your starting weapon?

And it’s not just the DMR that destroys map movement, oh dear me no. It’s those frequent ordnance drops that literally bring the Power Weapons to you!

Then there’s the awful selection of maps.

Ragnarok - Team DMRs every single game. No cover, frequent sniper rifle ordnance drops, vehicles that do not stand a chance against infantry, HUGE sightlines which make map movement impossible.

Exile - Assymetric… Thing. The vehicles are in awkward positions, with what seems to be a middle Banshee, and with one team owning a Reg Hog and Gauss Hog with the other owning a Reg Hog and a Scorpion.

Vortex - Possibly the only decent BTB map. But this map is ideal for those Plasma Grenade babies with it’s enclosed roads.

Longbow - Don’t get me started. The DMR rules it, once again. The top middle area is where all the fights take place, whilst the rest if the map is ignored like the back of Boneyard.

Unless some big changes are made to BTB in the forseeable future, I don’t see this ever getting better.

2

The camo sniping is really garbage.

3

Well it must be doing something right, what with it being the most popular playlist.

4

Camo sniping is the worst. And I own people with DMR with my BR. What you talking bout?

5

I’m a Plasma Grenade baby :stuck_out_tongue:

343 should make it so that Plasma and Pulse grenades are only one grenade when you spawn. Plasma Pistol has been pretty nerfed (a single shot takes 2% and does no damage. Really only good for EMP charges).

6

And yet good players still seem to pin teams down in their base properly using vehicles for a dozen team kills before they finally get taken down. So they’re not as invincible as they used to be… cry us a river.

7

Who said I was crying? Lol. I was stating the facts.

8

I agree with you OP… BTB is garbage… drastic changes must be made…

I think this playlist would be “better” if they turned it into one of these “classic” playlists, with preset classes, etc…

9

i agree that BTB in this game sucks, in past halo game it was possible for me to get to the other team’s spawn/base, but thanks to the op dmr and promethean vision it’s no longer possible. this is why i use speed boost instead of actual power weapons.

10

I wouldn’t say it’s garbage, but there are ALOT of balancing issues 343 needs to take care of.

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The DMR rules every map, not just BTB.

Actually BTB maps are the ONLY ones where the DMR actually has some competition, because the Light Rifle is the only precision weapon that is actually more effective in it’s element than a DMR.

Anyway, I don’t mind Plasma Grenade spawns, it’s the damn Plasma Pistols that screw up vehicle combat in BTB. If you ask me, they should make it so that most weapons are useless against vehicles again, and they should make the EMP from the Plasma Pistol just make the vehicle stuck in the direction it’s going instead of shutting it down. All vehicles should still be able to fire weapons while EMPd too.

12

It can be a K/D killer at times.

13

> I’ve tried and tried again to see the good in BTB for Halo 4, but I just can’t.
>
> Vehicle combat is dead due to Plasma Grenade babies, and the overwhelming frequency of Spartan Laser drops.
>
> You cannot drive anywhere without being blown up by some kid spamming his LT. Even if you manage to kill them, guess what? More Plasma Grenades! Yaaaaay.
>
> 343i, you wanted to build more vehicle friendly maps. And you failed spectacularly. Even if you’re a good driver, you can’t go anywhere. And DMRs still wreck vehicles.
>
> The ordnance drop frequency needs to be toned down a lot. Every single time I get in a Warthog, I always seem to notice a little red beam shining on my bonnet.
>
> Tanks are useless against infantry with Plasma Pistols and Plasma Grenades.
>
> And before any of you say ‘You have to work as a team to make your vehicle last longer’, all it takes is one person from their team of eight to take your vehicle down.
>
> Not only is vehicle combat dead and buried, but map movement has been obliterated by DMR starts. Again.
>
> Why move around when you can just sit in the same spot where you can either camo-snipe, or shoot across the map with your starting weapon?
>
> And it’s not just the DMR that destroys map movement, oh dear me no. It’s those frequent ordnance drops that literally bring the Power Weapons to you!
>
> Then there’s the awful selection of maps.
>
> Ragnarok - Team DMRs every single game. No cover, frequent sniper rifle ordnance drops, vehicles that do not stand a chance against infantry, HUGE sightlines which make map movement impossible.
>
> Exile - Assymetric… Thing. The vehicles are in awkward positions, with what seems to be a middle Banshee, and with one team owning a Reg Hog and Gauss Hog with the other owning a Reg Hog and a Scorpion.
>
> Vortex - Possibly the only decent BTB map. But this map is ideal for those Plasma Grenade babies with it’s enclosed roads.
>
> Longbow - Don’t get me started. The DMR rules it, once again. The top middle area is where all the fights take place, whilst the rest if the map is ignored like the back of Boneyard.
>
> Unless some big changes are made to BTB in the forseeable future, I don’t see this ever getting better.

Ordinance drops, alone, kill vehicles on btb. Part of the decision to hop in a hog is knowing that the laser or the rocket pad is not up. With ordinance there is no rhyme or reason to that. Add that to a WHOLE TEAM having stickies and plasma pistols, and its a rap. It’s as if 343 just did a bunch of things without thinking them through. That the only explanation I can think of as to how nobody realized how dmrs would completely wreck most gametypes, how nobody said anything when they decided to let you spawn with a shotgun or stickies. The TU is going to need to drastically tone back the loadouts and some of the armor abilities. I can’t help but really feel like they were, in fact, trying to mimic cod. I hate saying that, but some of the stuff they did, even on paper would be an obvious no to the Halo sandbox, yet they did it anyways. Also, I’ve noticed that most btb maps are full of little bumps and squeezes that make driving a warthog absolutely frustrating.

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> And yet good players still seem to pin teams down in their base properly using vehicles for a dozen team kills before they finally get taken down. So they’re not as invincible as they used to be… cry us a river.

Getting real tired of the fanboys charging threads to defend EVERYTHING thats in the game. The only vehicles players use to pin teams down with are banshees or the mantis. The team being pinned down has to be completely green in order for that to happen. Please stop acting like what the op said isn’t an issue. It’s just like all the kids who acted like the sawed off wasn’t op in gears 3, yet EVERYBODY was using it. That gun practically killed that game.

15

I remember in Halo 3 when people would only really attack vehicles with power weapons and other vehicles. You would rarely see someone shooting a Warthog with a Battle Rifle.

They need to bring back Halo 3’s vehicle combat.

16

Sadly I do agree with the statement about the vehicles being almost worthless and I’m the guy who always takes the vehicles for a spin, usually I can’t even go around the entire map without dying (Specially in Ragnarok), but its… whatever at least I’m helping someone get those vehicle destroyer commendation. You’re welcome to whoever DESTROYED me while in a mongoose. lol

17

I think BTB is cool I’m allways on it.

18

I disagree, i love BTB,it’s my best playlist.

19

> I disagree, i love BTB,it’s my best playlist.

I love it as well, but that frame rate or lag or whatever it is needs to be fixed. It makes it unplayable a lot of the time.

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> Well it must be doing something right, what with it being the most popular playlist.

It’s the most popular playlist because you can do practically nothing and rack up easy kills. Stop playing dumb please.