BRUTES WEIGHT 1125 TO 1500 POUNDS! WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?

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HOW? WHEN? I NEVER KNEW THIS! I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!

I was just looking up general halo information and stumbled upon this at Halopedia and I have to say WHAT WAS THE PERSON SMOKING WHEN THEY MADE THIS!?!?!?

This is an insane number just down right maddening. Who approved this? How could a brute EVER hope to use any standard Covenant equipment like a ghost or a banshee and this is ignoring the weight of their equipment that’s in the vehicle too.

I just looked it up, BRUTES WEIGHT MORE THEN A GHOST! HOW DID THEY EVER MANAGE TO DRIVE THESE THINGS!?!?! I also looked up that they also weight more then a Chopper. DID NO ONE RESEARCH THESE NUMBERS?!?!!?! It’s either that or those anti grav panels are pulling some over time.

In Halo 3 ODST we saw Dutch topple a brute chieftain with a well placed shove. Alright that’s cool abut even if we low ball the brutes weight at the minimum average being 1125 and add on the brute’s armor it’d still be atleast 5 TIMES THE WEIGHT OF DUTCH WITH HIS EQUIPMENT! I know many people at 343i are parents and as a parent you’ve played some kind of rough housing with your kids. So you know that their tiny bodies are nothing more then pebbles to you.

HOW DID HE EVER HAVE A CHANCE TO OVERPOWER SUCH A BEAST!?!? HOW DID THE ROOKIE AND OTHERS OF ALPHA NINE FIGHT A BRUTE IN HAND TO HAND! THESE CREATURES WOULD RIP A GORILLA APART AND A GORILLA WOULD RIP A HUMAN APART!

Jerome in Halo Wars 2 is shown overpowering multiple brutes! Yet you better keep blinking that scene in and out, because it’s actually impossible to explain how he managed to survive that engagement. Speed be -Yoink!- since he was clearly outnumbered to a degree of where his speed meant nothing. Why Did Atriox even use a Mace to fight Red Team? He could of just beat them to death!

When a Warthog hits a brute, the Driver should die. If a brute could hold it’s ground well enough it could LITERALLY withstand a Ghost at full speed. JUST FACE TANK IT!

You know, I was one of those people surprised at how the Brutes in Halo Wars 2 just man handled the elites during the betrayal cutscene but DAMN looking at the elties pathetic weight of 310 to 390 pounds.

As of right now the only difference between the ENTIRE species of the brutes and Spartans seems to be that one is naturally stupid…somehow.

Holy -Yoink-, how much force can they punch with while they’re berserk?!?!?

It’s already crazy to hear that Kurt took apart a two Hunters which weights 10,000 pounds but every brute being over half a ton in weight minimum is balls to the walls crazy.

Does 343i Know why people think Mayweather will destroy McGregor? It’s because weight classes mean alot in any kind of fighting competition.

By relation to a brute’s weight spartan II isn’t even in the same weight category and EVERYTHING ELSE outside of hunters are well below them. How did they not rebel sooner?

Edit: I did a little more digging. A gravity hammer weights 85 pounds aka less then 1/10th the weight of a brute with again, a low ball. None of these clearly in shape brutes should ever have a problem wielding a hammer. So why do they lug it around as if it’s about to crush them?

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Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
First Gameplay ingame.
Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.

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> Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
> First Gameplay ingame.
> Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.

I know about the in game not being canon but I am talking about canon which doesn’t change the fact that a brute weights half the Warthog’s weight. If a hog hits a brute, it’s going to be totaled. If a car going 100 MPH hits a tree, the car doesn’t suddenly ignroe the tree, they are both shredded, it’s the same case here. That Halo Wars 2 trailer with the Hog’s running over the brutes should just be the hogs ramming into walls. There’d be no real difference.

A brute literally weights more then a ghost. How cold they ever hope to drive one of those things?

This also means that when a brute rams someone with a Ghost, that it’s striking with twice the amount of force.

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> > Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
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> > Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.
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> I know about the in game not being canon but I am talking about canon which doesn’t change the fact that a brute weights half the Warthog’s weight. If a hog hits a brute, it’s going to be totaled. If a car going 100 MPH hits a tree, the car doesn’t suddenly ignroe the tree, they are both shredded, it’s the same case here. That Halo Wars 2 trailer with the Hog’s running over the brutes should just be the hogs ramming into walls. There’d be no real difference.
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> A brute literally weights more then a ghost. How cold they ever hope to drive one of those things?
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> This also means that when a brute rams someone with a Ghost, that it’s striking with twice the amount of force.

The diffrence between a Hog and a tree is,if you apply force to a Brute,it moves,resulting in the fall of the Brute and the rest of the Hog overdrives it.
Going out from the lowest weight of a Brute,thats around 550kgs,a Warthog has roughly 5 times the mass of a Brute,enough to turn a Brute into an meaty pulp.
Also,an Warthog is made out of Nano materials,stronger then any thing we have,so thats how it survives the crash.

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> > > Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
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> > > Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.
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> > I know about the in game not being canon but I am talking about canon which doesn’t change the fact that a brute weights half the Warthog’s weight. If a hog hits a brute, it’s going to be totaled. If a car going 100 MPH hits a tree, the car doesn’t suddenly ignroe the tree, they are both shredded, it’s the same case here. That Halo Wars 2 trailer with the Hog’s running over the brutes should just be the hogs ramming into walls. There’d be no real difference.
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> > A brute literally weights more then a ghost. How cold they ever hope to drive one of those things?
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> > This also means that when a brute rams someone with a Ghost, that it’s striking with twice the amount of force.
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> The diffrence between a Hog and a tree is,if you apply force to a Brute,it moves,resulting in the fall of the Brute and the rest of the Hog overdrives it.
> Going out from the lowest weight of a Brute,thats around 550kgs,a Warthog has roughly 5 times the mass of a Brute,enough to turn a Brute into an meaty pulp.
> Also,an Warthog is made out of Nano materials,stronger then any thing we have,so thats how it survives the crash.

Your missing some calculations one being the fact that the brute isn’t but -Yoink- naked. Add on armor, weapons and other equipment Hell just giving him a gravity hammer adds on 100 pounds. And these brutes in context war soldiers meaning heir average weight is going to be much higher then any normal brute just like a soldier is certainly going to be more physically fit then the average joe. Just adding on the 30% weight difference from being swole AF as most troops are, that average would knock the min to 1400 and the max to 1800 with the added armor easily buffing that to a solid 1600 to 2000 pounds.

With the Hog all you measure up is the marine driving it who is probably about 200 pounds (buffed by 30% soldier average of a human male) with 50 pounds in gear. Also the brute is wearing hyper dense materials as well so it cancels itself out pretty hard. A hog hamming into something a 3rd it’s weight is going to destroy it.

You’re also working off the info that the Hog is made out of some hyper material when there is no proof that it is. Most UNSC materials use alloys we know of today. Nothing crazy like that Forerunner jazz.

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> > > > Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
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> Your missing some calculations one being the fact that the brute isn’t but -Yoink- naked. Add on armor, weapons and other equipment Hell just giving him a gravity hammer adds on 100 pounds. And these brutes in context war soldiers meaning heir average weight is going to be much higher then any normal brute just like a soldier is certainly going to be more physically fit then the average joe. Just adding on the 30% weight difference from being swole AF as most troops are, that average would knock the min to 1400 and the max to 1800 with the added armor easily buffing that to a solid 1600 to 2000 pounds.
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> With the Hog all you measure up is the marine driving it who is probably about 200 pounds (buffed by 30% soldier average of a human male) with 50 pounds in gear. Also the brute is wearing hyper dense materials as well so it cancels itself out pretty hard. A hog hamming into something a 3rd it’s weight is going to destroy it.

The Hog survives it,simple due the fact its made out of Nanomaterials,that are supposed to be light and sturdy.But discussing how strong this stuff is,is useless because well,we dont really know anything about it.
Is ramming a good idea?No.
Is it a surviable idea?Yes,but painfull.

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Whoa dude, chill! It’s just some measurements…not some utter plot breaking inconsistency that blows the whole story out of the water…but regardless sit down, cause you’re in for one heck of a read.

1: Obviously, because we see Covenant vehicles manage to operate perfectly fine with Jiralhanae operating them, then that means that Covenant vehicles have a lot more horse power than we give them credit for. Also, their anti gravity drives would most definitely help with weight distribution. I mean heck, if you can develop anti gravity drives to keep a whole starship aloft… Btw, given enough horsepower, a vehicle can carry and pull more than it’s own weight, such as a semi truck with a full, maxed out trailer or multiple trailers. And, looking at a more natural analogy, ants are able to lift and carry 5 times(?) more their own body weight because they’re simply that strong. So I see no issue when it comes to their weight in relation to vehicles.

2: Again, this obviously means ODST’s, or at least Dutch, are a lot stronger than we give them credit for. It’s been discussed many times in the past, just no official answer yet, but it’s highly likely that because this is the 26th century, soldiers are naturally stronger due to slight biological augmentations and armor enhancements that increase their physical attributes. The Spartans just got the best augmentations along with other experimental ones, making them leagues above everyone else. So, you can’t really base things in the future on what we have and seen today when the possibility of change is highly probable. And I mean, if you really want to be nitpicky, perhaps the Chieftain was in a particular stance that allotted him to be pushed over easily? Idk. But it really doesn’t need an explanation.

3: In continuation of 2, they stabbed the thing in the neck. And it took all of them to even bring the Chieftain down to the ground. That should tell you just how powerful they are, when you see three full grown elite ODSTs still struggle to contain the beast. As for every other Brute in the game or the war? Their armor isn’t invincible. You can still shoot them from afar and kill them before they even get close to you. If they do, the chances of you surviving are very slim. Regardless of who you are. Spartan, ODST, Sangheili, whatever. They’re all equally potentially screwed. Unless they’re that good and lucky. Like Jerome, John, Thel, or Alpha Nine. People perform nigh impossible feats today. That doesn’t stop in the future. Because obviously, some people have a higher chance of surviving an encounter with a Brute than others. And its not like its a normal occurrence for them either, so don’t treat it as such.

4: Speaking of Jerome, go back and watch that scene again. He doesn’t allow a single Brute to even touch him. How? Because, well, simply put, he IS faster and IS more nimble than they are. And if they can’t touch him, they can’t overpower him. They’re slower and more clunky, even though they much stronger. It’s like Tex vs Meta/Maine in Red vs Blue. And guess who won most of those fights. Also, I can’t speak for those Brutes, but Jerome is most likely better at combat because of his skill level and training. He’s one of the most highly trained human beings in human history, not accounting Ancient Humans. And he had a shotgun. Which, in conjunction with his speed, was a very complimentary asset in that close quarters scenario.

5: Why did Atriox use his energy mace to take down Red Team? Uh, common sense that’s why. I don’t care how strong you are (unless you’re the Didact), but if you know Spartans, you don’t just go in fists only. And why not use his own personal weapon of his own design? Wouldn’t it take them down more easily, efficiently, and more quickly? Yeah. And also, why not have fun with them? Utterly creeping them out with a weapon that’s honestly psychologically terrifying. Strike fear into your enemies. And rewatch that scene where they all first meet, and see just how easily he dispatched them with that thing. Then come tell me he should’ve used his fists.

6: Maccabaeus, in Halo Contact Harvest, was rammed by a Warthog at full speed. Do note that he was also a War Chieftain (the ones with the Gold Armor that have the V shaped helm). And his entire leg broke under the force and pressure, even with all his armor and muscle density protecting him. And he was pinned against a wall too. And Johnson (or Baird, I forget), who were driving, weren’t killed by the impact. Why? Well, because obviously the Warthog’s frame is apparently very durable and designed to expel and resist hard impacts like that. So, Brutes can still be mortally injured by being literally run over by vehicles. They either equal their weight, or their heavier, they’re traveling at high speeds, and have a design in the front fit for running things over. Adding all these factors together, if you’re on the receiving end of a vehicle like that, and unless you’re a Hunter or a potentially a Promethean Knight, you’re not getting out of that unharmed.

7: They probably have one heck of a mean punch, berserk or not. Even if I were a Spartan or another Jiralhanae, I wouldn’t want to be hit by one of them. That’s asking to get hurt, or killed.

8: Uh, Jiralhanae aren’t naturally stupid. They were at the same technological level as we are today before they nuked themselves like the Krogan back to the Stone Age. And then the Covenant came in and took them under their wing. And for a species that was able to invent something like a Gravity Hammer, they seem pretty smart. They aren’t stupid. Because they have the potential to be just as smart, and even smarter, as you and me and everyone else here.

9: At what point do they lug a Gravity hammer like they’re about to crush them?

I’m finished ranting. If you made it this far, I congratulate you. But please don’t spout nonsensical nonsense before critically thinking about these things and trying to figure out a solution rather than calling BS on it all right out of the gate. The forums are for constructive discussion and criticism.

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> > > > > Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
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> > > > > Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.
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> > Your missing some calculations one being the fact that the brute isn’t but -Yoink- naked. Add on armor, weapons and other equipment Hell just giving him a gravity hammer adds on 100 pounds. And these brutes in context war soldiers meaning heir average weight is going to be much higher then any normal brute just like a soldier is certainly going to be more physically fit then the average joe. Just adding on the 30% weight difference from being swole AF as most troops are, that average would knock the min to 1400 and the max to 1800 with the added armor easily buffing that to a solid 1600 to 2000 pounds.
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> > With the Hog all you measure up is the marine driving it who is probably about 200 pounds (buffed by 30% soldier average of a human male) with 50 pounds in gear. Also the brute is wearing hyper dense materials as well so it cancels itself out pretty hard. A hog hamming into something a 3rd it’s weight is going to destroy it.
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> The Hog survives it,simple due the fact its made out of Nanomaterials,that are supposed to be light and sturdy.But discussing how strong this stuff is,is useless because well,we dont really know anything about it.
> Is ramming a good idea?No.
> Is it a surviable idea?Yes,but painfull.

Actually I think the OP is right about the hog not being that strong.

I don’t ever recall hearing that it was made out of some sort of super material and even then if it rams something a third it’s weight it’s done for. I mean, that’s how mass essentially works. The durability of two objects ramming into each otehr doesn’t really matter much since the force will apply regardless and affect both, sort of like how when you punch something and you get hurt to, it’s not that the only thing only takes the punishment either.

The hog would be severely damaged, I doubt anything could just slam into an object a third it’s weight and walk away from it.

If you compare something simple ramming into each other like two feathers the force won’t be as powerful but two asteroids one made of iron and the other being made of coal near the same weight hitting each otehr will result in one being destroyed and the other not looking much better.

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> > > > > > Why an Warthog can overdrive a Brute?
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> > > > > > Second,in canon a Hog drives faster then ingame,making it possible to crush a Brutes ripecage if hitten frontal,basicly crushing the brute between the ground and the Warthog.
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> > > Your missing some calculations one being the fact that the brute isn’t but -Yoink- naked. Add on armor, weapons and other equipment Hell just giving him a gravity hammer adds on 100 pounds. And these brutes in context war soldiers meaning heir average weight is going to be much higher then any normal brute just like a soldier is certainly going to be more physically fit then the average joe. Just adding on the 30% weight difference from being swole AF as most troops are, that average would knock the min to 1400 and the max to 1800 with the added armor easily buffing that to a solid 1600 to 2000 pounds.
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> > > With the Hog all you measure up is the marine driving it who is probably about 200 pounds (buffed by 30% soldier average of a human male) with 50 pounds in gear. Also the brute is wearing hyper dense materials as well so it cancels itself out pretty hard. A hog hamming into something a 3rd it’s weight is going to destroy it.
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> > The Hog survives it,simple due the fact its made out of Nanomaterials,that are supposed to be light and sturdy.But discussing how strong this stuff is,is useless because well,we dont really know anything about it.
> > Is ramming a good idea?No.
> > Is it a surviable idea?Yes,but painfull.
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> I don’t ever recall hearing that it was made out of some sort of super material and even then if it rams something a third it’s weight it’s done for. I mean, that’s how mass essentially works. The durability of two objects ramming into each otehr doesn’t really matter much since the force will apply regardless and affect both, sort of like how when you punch something and you get hurt to, it’s not that the only thing only takes the punishment either.
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> The hog would be severely damaged, I doubt anything could just slam into an object a third it’s weight and walk away from it.
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> If you compare something simple ramming into each other like two feathers the force won’t be as powerful but two asteroids one made of iron and the other being made of coal near the same weight hitting each otehr will result in one being destroyed and the other not looking much better.

Thats what I meant with Is it a good idea?No.
From the beginning it was clear that the Hog will get more damage then just a scratch in the paint,but it remains operational.

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> Whoa dude, chill! It’s just some measurements…not some utter plot breaking inconsistency that blows the whole story out of the water…but regardless sit down, cause you’re in for one heck of a read.
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> 1: Obviously, because we see Covenant vehicles manage to operate perfectly fine with Jiralhanae operating them, then that means that Covenant vehicles have a lot more horse power than we give them credit for. Also, their anti gravity drives would most definitely help with weight distribution. I mean heck, if you can develop anti gravity drives to keep a whole starship aloft… Btw, given enough horsepower, a vehicle can carry and pull more than it’s own weight, such as a semi truck with a full, maxed out trailer or multiple trailers. And, looking at a more natural analogy, ants are able to lift and carry 5 times(?) more their own body weight because they’re simply that strong. So I see no issue when it comes to their weight in relation to vehicles.
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> 2: Again, this obviously means ODST’s, or at least Dutch, are a lot stronger than we give them credit for. It’s been discussed many times in the past, just no official answer yet, but it’s highly likely that because this is the 26th century, soldiers are naturally stronger due to slight biological augmentations and armor enhancements that increase their physical attributes. The Spartans just got the best augmentations along with other experimental ones, making them leagues above everyone else. So, you can’t really base things in the future on what we have and seen today when the possibility of change is highly probable. And I mean, if you really want to be nitpicky, perhaps the Chieftain was in a particular stance that allotted him to be pushed over easily? Idk. But it really doesn’t need an explanation.
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> 3: In continuation of 2, they stabbed the thing in the neck. And it took all of them to even bring the Chieftain down to the ground. That should tell you just how powerful they are, when you see three full grown elite ODSTs still struggle to contain the beast. As for every other Brute in the game or the war? Their armor isn’t invincible. You can still shoot them from afar and kill them before they even get close to you. If they do, the chances of you surviving are very slim. Regardless of who you are. Spartan, ODST, Sangheili, whatever. They’re all equally potentially screwed. Unless they’re that good and lucky. Like Jerome, John, Thel, or Alpha Nine. People perform nigh impossible feats today. That doesn’t stop in the future. Because obviously, some people have a higher chance of surviving an encounter with a Brute than others. And its not like its a normal occurrence for them either, so don’t treat it as such.
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> 4: Speaking of Jerome, go back and watch that scene again. He doesn’t allow a single Brute to even touch him. How? Because, well, simply put, he IS faster and IS more nimble than they are. And if they can’t touch him, they can’t overpower him. They’re slower and more clunky, even though they much stronger. It’s like Tex vs Meta/Maine in Red vs Blue. And guess who won most of those fights. Also, I can’t speak for those Brutes, but Jerome is most likely better at combat because of his skill level and training. He’s one of the most highly trained human beings in human history, not accounting Ancient Humans. And he had a shotgun. Which, in conjunction with his speed, was a very complimentary asset in that close quarters scenario.
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> 5: Why did Atriox use his energy mace to take down Red Team? Uh, common sense that’s why. I don’t care how strong you are (unless you’re the Didact), but if you

In defense of the OP I have to say.

  1. Ant’s are totally different to rattle too since they aren’t build biological like anything in halo…besides drones. Their mass allows gravity to miss them to say it simply and stuff we can’t really compare their strengths because that’d be cheating since we don’t follow their rules. Example, an elephant can’t lift well over its’ own weight because gravity affects it drastically different. Mass hates big stuff.

  2. That’s a pretty huge assumption to near insane levels. You’ve basically just said that dutch is possible 3 times stronger than the strongest man in the world right now. That’s pretty crazy without any known augmentations. We known the average marines got some stims but never have they shown to be able to do what you’re suggestion. Remember, Orion was basically the first real and true attempt to improve soldiers on the battlefield.

  3. Again I also have to say you giving the ODST’s far too much credit. Are you aware of how heavy half a ton is? The strongest man in the world can’t even lift anywhere close to that. With all the stuff the OP said about weight and armor that Cheiftain had to atleast be 2000 pounds with Dutch being about 300 with his armor. If we have troops who can topple a ton of weight there would literally be no need for Spartans.

  4. Have you ever been in a fight with multiple people? It doesn’t work the way you think it does. Some of the greatest swordsmen in the world couldn’t fight more then two people at once. Doing more then that was deemed impossible because you’d have to react to three different attacks from three different angles. The only way Jerome could fight off all of those brutes is if they went in one by one watching as the others died then marched in afterwards. With this weight resemblance he’d literally have to not get hit once. To give an example Buts are clearly much faster then we think seeing as how Atriox clearly overpowered all of red team in about 15 seconds.

At some point he had to of taken some punches in that with and with what the brutes are swing it’s near impossible for him to take any of them.

  1. Remember MC, got the scar on his armor fro ma brute literally clawing into it. So yeah, they could just use their bare hands especially since Cortana was fearful of MC even fighting berserker brute.

  2. Halo is mired iwth inconsistencies. One of the most obvious being how elites kept up in speed s with Spartan IV’s in hunters in the Dark but in Halo 5 G’s intro scene they are far slower and the Palmer Magnum stuff. This could easily be one of them likely coming form the fact that contact harvest was probably made before it was canon that brute weight so much or the writer being unaware of it. I doubt Bungie spell checked it.

  3. True.

  4. I think that was a joke, but we’ll have to wait for the OP to come back.

  5. I’m surprised you haven’t seen it. Example, when Tartarus pulls up the Fist of Rukt, into his palm it lands iwth a thud and he has the brace himself with the hammer’s weight. This animation was pretty common in three and ODST. Also in Reach they really seemed to swing those hammer as if they were just I beams lol

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How can a Brute drive a Ghost? Anti-grav drives are incredibly powerful. Look at the Wraith; its got frontal armor that is literally TWO FEET THICK (hence why its such a pain to kill from the front). Yet it floats without issue, AND carries a driver, gunner, AND its artillery piece without issue.

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Uh aren’t spartans in armor 1000 lbs?

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> I just looked it up, BRUTES WEIGHT MORE THEN A GHOST! HOW DID THEY EVER MANAGE TO DRIVE THESE THINGS!?!?! I also looked up that they also weight more then a Chopper. DID NO ONE RESEARCH THESE NUMBERS?!?!!?! It’s either that or those anti grav panels are pulling some over time.

This is consistent with the setting otherwise – humans in MJOLNIR armor weigh in the ballpark of 1000 pounds, not much less than a ghost. What we can take away from this is that the technology that allows a ghost to hover carries over twice the vehicle’s weight (since it has to carry the vehicle and a brute).

> In Halo 3 ODST we saw Dutch topple a brute chieftain with a well placed shove. Alright that’s cool abut even if we low ball the brutes weight at the minimum average being 1125 and add on the brute’s armor it’d still be atleast 5 TIMES THE WEIGHT OF DUTCH WITH HIS EQUIPMENT! I know many people at 343i are parents and as a parent you’ve played some kind of rough housing with your kids. So you know that their tiny bodies are nothing more then pebbles to you.

Yeah, I dunno. Halo: First Strike did a good job of explaining how John could defeat a single brute in a martial confrontation – he had to use every trick in the book to keep the brute’s weight and strength out of direct competition with his own, and he only did this to create an opening for the use of a grenade, not to punch or kick it.

> HOW DID HE EVER HAVE A CHANCE TO OVERPOWER SUCH A BEAST!?!? HOW DID THE ROOKIE AND OTHERS OF ALPHA NINE FIGHT A BRUTE IN HAND TO HAND! THESE CREATURES WOULD RIP A GORILLA APART AND A GORILLA WOULD RIP A HUMAN APART!

Only animal Burnie Burns of Roosterteeth can’t take in a fight.

> Jerome in Halo Wars 2 is shown overpowering multiple brutes! Yet you better keep blinking that scene in and out, because it’s actually impossible to explain how he managed to survive that engagement. Speed be -Yoink!- since he was clearly outnumbered to a degree of where his speed meant nothing. Why Did Atriox even use a Mace to fight Red Team? He could of just beat them to death!

Why didn’t he just blow up the base while they were inside it? Why didn’t the Enduring Conviction melt the Spirit of Fire on arrival? These are the questions.

> When a Warthog hits a brute, the Driver should die. If a brute could hold it’s ground well enough it could LITERALLY withstand a Ghost at full speed. JUST FACE TANK IT!

As I recall, hunters and knights do this. And I’ve heard of cars getting totalled when they hit moose and bears. It would be an interesting mechanic if future games took the Reach brute (that is, effectively a big grunt) and made them unsplatterable. And made vehicles that hit all unsplatterable things take significant damage on impact, comparable to hitting a wall at the same speed.

> Holy -Yoink-, how much force can they punch with while they’re berserk?!?!?

Enough to send Chief arm-flailingly high in the chamber of the High Council, as I remember from my Legendary Halo 2 playthroughs. May have had Sputnik on.

> By relation to a brute’s weight spartan II isn’t even in the same weight category and EVERYTHING ELSE outside of hunters are well below them. How did they not rebel sooner?

The brutes didn’t rebel (unless you mean the Banished?). The jiralhanae nuked themselves into the stone age twice, the Covenant found them, and they joined the Covenant. One of the high prophets went nuts and gave the brutes the order to kill the elites. They followed that order dutifully, and zealously. It’s the elites who were rebels, for not dying politely.

> Edit: I did a little more digging. A gravity hammer weights 85 pounds aka less then 1/10th the weight of a brute with again, a low ball. None of these clearly in shape brutes should ever have a problem wielding a hammer. So why do they lug it around as if it’s about to crush them?

What one can exert with their whole body in a burst and what someone is comfortable exerting constantly while distracted with one or two hands are different things, especially where an unevenly-weighted object is concerned. I bet that most of that hammer’s weight is in the head, which means that the hammer is constantly trying to tip head-first to the ground – and the wielder has to fight that force while they walk, run, crouch, jump, pivot, lunge, etc. That means that, even with the brute’s prodigious strength, even an 85-pound hammer is gonna wobble a bit. Like if you went around with a hammer 1/10th your weight in your hand while you did other things. As for the degree of the wobble – and I can’t say they ever seemed particularly unstable to me – that is likely an artistic choice, because subtle movements often go unnoticed in games (be this due to the distance to the creature, the lack of depth perception, or the low fidelity of television and computer screens compared to human eye-brain stuff, or maybe a bit of all three).

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> When a Warthog hits a brute, the Driver should die. If a brute could hold it’s ground well enough it could LITERALLY withstand a Ghost at full speed. JUST FACE TANK IT!

An adult, male Brute weighs an average of 3/4 of a ton (Halo Encyclopedia 2nd edition, pg 143), but a Warthog weighs 3.25 tons (Halo Encyclopedia 2nd edition pg 250). 1,500 lbs vs 6,750 lbs, my money would be on the military vehicle.

Spartans weigh a half-ton in their Mjolnir (1,000 lbs), but keep in mind that a lighter-weight fighter can beat the heavier-weight fighter if the lighter one can avoid getting hit, and knows when/where to strike.

The thing about Gravity Hammers is that they are the inverse of the anti-grav on vehicles. The force of impact from a Gravity Hammer is far greater than what a Brute can cause without one. That is why they use them.

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> An adult, male Brute weighs an average of 3/4 of a ton (Halo Encyclopedia 2nd edition, pg 143), but a Warthog weighs 3.25 tons (Halo Encyclopedia 2nd edition pg 250). 1,500 lbs vs 6,750 lbs, my money would be on the military vehicle.
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> Spartans weigh a half-ton in their Mjolnir (1,000 lbs), but **keep in mind that a lighter-weight fighter can beat the heavier-weight fighter if the lighter one can avoid getting hit, and knows when/where to strike.**The thing about Gravity Hammers is that they are the inverse of the anti-grav on vehicles. The force of impact from a Gravity Hammer is far greater than what a Brute can cause without one. That is why they use them.

We see exactly that in the opening of Halo 4, with Chief literally back-flipping off the face of a Chieftain.

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Gameplay kinda stretches the facts of the lore, for example, in lore infections forms are about 4 feet and Jackals can be up to 6-7 feet tall. But in lore brutes can be up to 9 feet and there huge in there body mass in general so the fact that they can be up to 1500 pounds is feasible.

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That’s no surprise, chief weights 450 kilograms (990 lb) when wearing his armour.

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Hmm, I don’t think it’s a good weight average for a brute. I always assumed them to be like 500 or 600 pounds at the most because they are big monkey things! I honestly think that weight is a little to much for the brutes.

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I have to agree with the OP on this bodyweight issue. If a brute weighted as much or a bit more than a suited up Spartan then fair enough but the current figures really makes certain things questionable. I do think the way they interact with vehicles isn’t something you can explain away with “it’s anti grav engines” or “warthogs are made of super materials” good sound data is needed for both and then when we factor in bodyweight and engine ability, then we can say yes or no on that matter.

The only other thing I want to comment on is this big means slow when it comes to fighting or Spartans are some ninja, Barry Allen flash supersoliders. Firstly anyone saying someone who is big with muscle mass will be slow in a fight has never been in a fight, let alone a fight with a man or woman that is muscle massive. With muscles that strong and defined brutes would be very fast due to the strong connections which binds their muscles and nervous system. It is that same muscle and nerve strength which makes Spartans the supersoilders they are.
Second with the example of Jerome in HW2 taking on the brutes I would say that is down to him being tactically astute and planning his moves three to six moves in advance not that it is solely down to him being faster because of the misconception I mentioned above. He is a Spartan or in other terms SF, those brutes were standard infantry.

If I had to paint a picture of how Jerome planned that engagement it would be;

Door opens

  • Three brute minors charging, sidestep right to engage righthand minor, shotgun blast to right brute head will throw him back, creating a gap. - Charge into gap to throw body into rear pack. - Middle brute caught unaware but now lashing out with closest arm, side of ribcage exposed, double shotgun blasts to defeat armour and kill. Body now twisting from multiple forces acting on it. - Furthest left brute attempting to get pass middle brute to fire weapon. Shotgun blast to weapon arm to incapacitate follow up with knife strikes to throat, ear and eye socket to kill. - Use body as cover from incoming fire and engage next target…
    Brutes that went through the door plan;

A DEMON…KILL IT…URGKKK, exhale, dead.

Speed is a factor but training is what gets it done. That is why if I had to use a real world example so called ISIS can have it’s army of extremist dismantled by a hundred or so SF operators from the UK, US and other countries.

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How much do grunts weight?