Bring back the Helljumpers.

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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I love and elites and all their glory but one thing that really must happen in Halo 5 is the reintroduction of ODST. In hte Halo 4 ODST armor the little notes at the bottom says that ODST have been outfitted with new alloys to their armor.

Now that sounds nice. Seems like the Men and Black have come back better then ever.

So not only do i want 343i to bring back the ODST but also give them a significant role in the UNSC instead of just being the Spartan IV’s lessers. before in Halo ODST dropping in was a a huge burden being taken off the shoulders of the troops on the ground. In my eyes it seems a bit disrespectful to send in ODST over Spartan IV’s. All ODST are now are just Spartan IV’s who didn’t make the cut basically and i’m sure many ODST fans take great offence to knowing this.

So i say 343i needs to reestablish the role of Spartan IV’s and the ODST.

ODST are already the best of the best but Spartan IVs are the best of the best of the best best. Which sounds really annoying to say out loud or even think really. So lets put Spartan IV’s a bit on the scale of special genes like the Spartan IIs. If you don’t have the right genes there isn’t a chance for you to become a spartan.

The Spartan IIIs could also be reconed to fit this role of gene specific people as well. So far as i can see now 343i will be heading into some BS ending for halo with turning every human into Spartans. Judging from the intro of Halo 4. I don’t think that is a good direction for Halo as a franchise. It would rip apart what made us feel for those who died, but back to the ODST.

There is no reason to of taken the ODST out of the games but to only make the Spartan IV’s look good. You know that most of the issues in Halo 4 Sops and Campaign could of be solved with ODST.

need to clear a landing zone send ODSTs, need recon ODST. Too scarred to send an entire ship into Requiem let them fall, we know where Jul is hiding out. HELL JUMPERS COMING IN! Oh nor Fireteam Crimson has been captured by the Covenant. Deploy DOST to reinforce and break them out.

Well every problem but when the Covenant attacked the Infinity, but they could launch squads at other Covenant vessels for boarding action to cause distraction to let the Infinity recover.

Even when Require was falling apart and being sent into the sun dropping ODST down to one of the objectives would of been optimal for a quicker victory.

ODST’s uses are nearly boundless only being held back by the thinking power of the person in command. What can’t ODST be used for in battle?

So before i post this thread i just want to set a clear line here.

Don’t make ODST insignificant 343i. Inventing the Spartan IV’s already did large amounts of damage to the image of ODSTs lets not knee cap them then kick them in the dish pan woo woo woo. Enough of my ramblings for now.

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> I love and elites and all their glory but one thing that really must happen in Halo 5 is the reintroduction of ODST. In hte Halo 4 ODST armor the little notes at the bottom says that ODST have been outfitted with new alloys to their armor.
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> Now that sounds nice. Seems like the Men and Black have come back better then ever.
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> So not only do i want 343i to bring back the ODST but also give them a significant role in the UNSC instead of just being the Spartan IV’s lessers. before in Halo ODST dropping in was a a huge burden being taken off the shoulders of the troops on the ground. In my eyes it seems a bit disrespectful to send in ODST over Spartan IV’s. <mark>All ODST are now are just Spartan IV’s who didn’t make the cut basically and i’m sure many ODST fans take great offence to knowing this.</mark>

By that logic any Army, Air Force or Marine soldiers are just Spartan-IV rejects too since the IVs cull from all the armed forces.

> So i say 343i needs to reestablish the role of Spartan IV’s and the ODST. ODST are already the best of the best but Spartan IVs are the best of the best of the best best. Which sounds really annoying to say out loud or even think really.

Don’t say it then.

> So lets put Spartan IV’s a bit on the scale of special genes like the Spartan IIs. If you don’t have the right genes there isn’t a chance for you to become a spartan.

No, the Spartan-IVs are taken from the most skilled and those with the most potential, which was what Project ORION was aiming for before it failed for a variety of reasons.

> The Spartan IIIs could also be reconed to fit this role of gene specific people as well.

The IIIs likely became IVs.

> So far as i can see now 343i will be heading into some BS ending for halo with turning every human into Spartans. Judging from the intro of Halo 4. I don’t think that is a good direction for Halo as a franchise. It would rip apart what made us feel for those who died, but back to the ODST.

How does that fear of not respecting the dead make sense? It was through their sacrifice that humanity survived and is able to become better than it was. The Librarian, the Assembly, Halsey, all of them want humanity to evolve. Besides what you said, what would be bad about turning every human into a Spartan?

> There is no reason to of taken the ODST out of the games but to only make the Spartan IV’s look good. <mark>You know that most of the issues in Halo 4 Sops and Campaign could of be solved with ODST.</mark>

Not really.

> need to clear a landing zone send ODSTs, need recon ODST. Too scarred to send an entire ship into Requiem let them fall, we know where Jul is hiding out. HELL JUMPERS COMING IN! Oh nor Fireteam Crimson has been captured by the Covenant. Deploy DOST to reinforce and break them out.

Or send in Spartan-IVs. Besides, Crimson managed to escape by themselves just fine.

> Well every problem but when the Covenant attacked the Infinity, but they could launch squads at other Covenant vessels for boarding action to cause distraction to let the Infinity recover.

Or Spartan-IVs. Honestly, for all we know ODSTs DID engage the Covenant.

> Even when Require was falling apart and being sent into the sun dropping ODST down to one of the objectives would of been optimal for a quicker victory.

That would just be sending more people down than necessary and be a logical nightmare to rescue.

> ODST’s uses are nearly boundless only being held back by the thinking power of the person in command. What can’t ODST be used for in battle?

Spartan-IVs are just as versatile.

> So before i post this thread i just want to set a clear line here.
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> Don’t make ODST insignificant 343i. Inventing the Spartan IV’s already did large amounts of damage to the image of ODSTs lets not knee cap them then kick them in the dish pan woo woo woo. Enough of my ramblings for now.

I’m all for bringing them back in, but I don’t think their absence in Halo 4 is an indication that they are hated by 343i or never going to return. Calm down.

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I agree with everything Cobra said. Just because they were absent in Halo 4, doesn’t mean 343 doesn’t like them or has no use for them in the future.

Also, I really disagree with your thinking of how the ODSTs are SPARTAN-IVs who didn’t “make the cut.” A lot of the Spartan-IVs are veterans, and all are volunteers. It’s not about making the cut so much as wanting to do the job. There aren’t a whole lot of S-IVs (only hundreds, IIRC?), and there are likely far more ODSTs ready for combat, which is also noted in Escalation.

ODSTs will always have their place in Halo. I mean, c’mon. They’re ODSTs! I wouldn’t worry.

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I thought the ODST’s were dissolved as a unit because the Spartan IV’s essentially made them obsolete and most ODST’s became SIV’s anyway.

I hope I’m wrong, because the ODST’s really were awesome.

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The Infinity is the home of the S-IV program so it makes sense that they would pretty much replace ODSTs when the Infinity is present.

Spartans are just not numerous to be everywhere were special forces might be needed. Spartans number in the hundreds while there are multiple Divisions of ODSTs. Its not that all the rest of the ODSTSs didn’t make the cut, it is more likely it is just not feasible to replace all of them.

I’m sure ODSTs will return.

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The Helljumpers are still with us and have not become obsolete. I would imagine there are many that would more than qualify to be a Spartan but chose not to. Plenty of dirty work and clean-up left for them…with the Sangheili and insurrectionist’s roaming about. ODST had a major role in the last Kilo 5 book trilogy. If anything, ODST are adapting to new threats just behind the scene / outside the game. But, I can see why you feel that way. I would love to see them back in the game, not only in story, but playable like in Halo 3: ODST.

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> I thought the ODST’s were dissolved as a unit because the Spartan IV’s essentially made them obsolete and most ODST’s became SIV’s anyway.
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> I hope I’m wrong, because the ODST’s really were awesome.

I don’t think the IV’s are big enough to absorb the ODST’s entirely.

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> > I thought the ODST’s were dissolved as a unit because the Spartan IV’s essentially made them obsolete and most ODST’s became SIV’s anyway.
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> > I hope I’m wrong, because the ODST’s really were awesome.
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> I don’t think the IV’s are big enough to absorb the ODST’s entirely.

They aren’t. It’d be like saying there’s no reason for Army Rangers because we have Green Berets. There’s always going to be a role for each type of soldier.