BR vs. DMR? Scattershot vs. Shotgun?

Games Other Halo
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I wonder if anybody thought about this, but my friends and I were having a discussion about the awesome new weapon additions, and I was especially excited when I realized that I could have a BR, AND a DMR, at the SAME time. Then my friend was like, “I could have a shotgun, AND a shotgun, at the SAME time TOO.”

Fantastic right?? But then we thought about it and started to wonder, whats the difference? Its almost, but not really like having both a gravity hammer and an energy sword, and its definitely not like having a Mauler and a Shotgun.

One of my friends thought that this would be kind of like CoD, everything is the same in each class, but certain weapons are obviously better than others, but for no apparent cost , or hindered by any balancing issues.

I was particularly worried about the BR vs. DMR. I watched some gameplay videos and realized that ‘hot damn, the BR is awesome like brownies’, mainly because Spartans were dispatched in four short bursts. Of course, thats almost no different from what it was in Halo 3, but the problem is that the DMR now has to compete with it, and the BR also got a boost in effectiveness with its lack of bloom and fast firerate.

The DMR also got a boost, which i’m also worried about. Better bloom means faster firerate, contrary to the pacing that it required in Reach. Its like putting Halo on 1.15x speed boost, encouraging trigger spamming, and sprinting (, sprinting everywhere).

Im also afraid that noobs, or less skilled players would prefer the BR over the DMR in all cases (like the Fuel Rod Gun in Firefight [aggh the freekin’ fuel rod gun]), possibly turning the BR into a ‘noob-tube’ weapon in Halo 4, which wouldn’t make sense at all since its the trademark marksmen rifle of Master Chief and Halo 3. One of my friends said that it would more likely be that the BR would be more effective at close range and the DMR would be prefered for mid-long range (maybe not even mid).

I hope that happens (to a lesser extent) so the DMR and the BR get their own niches, so they don’t compete in balance that much.

For the Scattershot vs. Shotgun, i’m questioning the balance. The scattershot fires 6 thingies, sure, and the shotgun fires high spread and air resistant pellets, sure, but they are pretty much identical due to the fact that they are both basically shotguns, the close range skirmisher weapon.

Whats the difference? I loved the Shotgun vs. Energy Sword rivalry that started way back. There are clear reasons why a person would choose either side, but what about for the Scattershot vs. Shotgun? Cause its Forerunner? Cause its cooler? Cause its (oh crud) better?

For both the BR vs. DMR and Scattershot vs. Shotgun, I was hoping you guys would have some insight on this. It would be great to hear what other people think of this.
Am I crazy, wrong, or presenting plausible assumptions/concerns?

Thank you for taking the time for reading and possibly replying to this post, this thought has been nagging me for a bit. I have high expectations for Halo 4, I hope they aren’t ruined by a simple balancing problem (like the freekin’ Fuel Rod Gun [ugh the freekin’ Fuel Rod Gun])!

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The shot gun has not yet been confirmed as a loadout weapon. to be honest it sounds like an ordinance weapon now. which makes sense.

you know what beats all of these weapons the light rifle.

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Yes, I’ve heard a lot about how BR is close to Mid and DMR is mid to Long,
The Scattershot I suppose is weaker, but ricochets off walls, while the shotgun is just blunt force.

My preference? AR and Plasma pistol/DMR.

But from what i’ve seen, they balance perfectly.
People are actually saying BR is UP.

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> The shot gun has not yet been confirmed as a loadout weapon. to be honest it sounds like an ordinance weapon now. which makes sense.
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> you know what beats all of these weapons the light rifle.

Hold your horses, how much game play have we even seen of the light rifle in War Games?

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It’s like SSB with all the duplicates i.e. Marth and Roy :stuck_out_tongue:

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Agh, right, its Light Rifle vs BR vs DMR now, :stuck_out_tongue:

They’ve got to include the shotgun!! Its been in every game! Even Halo Wars (which I find extremely silly)!

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I’m just wondering if the Lightrifle will become the new Halo main weapon…

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I hate the battle rifle. I was Playing 3 and the thing is so Grunt Squealing inaccurate! I was a few feet away from a Jackal and missed. The thing fires three bullets and can’t hit with a single one. DMR beats it by a long shot. It’s so accurate that it’s capable of cross-map killing.

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DMR > BR :frowning: and Scattershot > Shotgun

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Why does there HAVE to be “This vs. that”? Each weapon fits into their own roles, some overlapping others a little.

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> DMR > BR :frowning: and Scattershot > Shotgun

They said hey were going to nerf the scattershot, and we haven’t had any word on the human shotgun yet besides that it is gong to be in the game.

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> > The shot gun has not yet been confirmed as a loadout weapon. to be honest it sounds like an ordinance weapon now. which makes sense.
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> > you know what beats all of these weapons the light rifle.
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> Hold your horses, how much game play have we even seen of the light rifle in War Games?

None. It might even be a loadout weapon, meaning it HAS to be balanced with the DMR and Carbine.

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Railgun Beats everything.

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> Why does there HAVE to be “This vs. that”? Each weapon fits into their own roles, some overlapping others a little.

Exactly. The game comes down to preference and style. A skilled player with the BR, will be able to out play a DMR user. A skilled player with the DMR, will be able to out play a BR user.

Even if the ranges are against you, you can strafe, hide around your surroundings, and find a way to win the duel. Gunplay is at it’s finest in Halo 4.

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Playing Halo 4 at RTX, the DMR seemed to have a boost since Reach. But against the BR, they seemed pretty well matched. As for the Scattershot, it wasn’t as powerful as I thought it would be. In my opinion ,even though I didn’t get to use the Shotgun, I think the Shotgun would beat the Scattershot in a head to head match. The problem with the Scattershot is that you have to land every shot on the opponent, something that can be done easily with the shotgun. Remember though, the Scattershot can ricochet.

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> Playing Halo 4 at RTX, the DMR seemed to have a boost since Reach. But against the BR, they seemed pretty well matched. As for the Scattershot, it wasn’t as powerful as I thought it would be. In my opinion ,even though I didn’t get to use the Shotgun, I think the Shotgun would beat the Scattershot in a head to head match. The problem with the Scattershot is that you have to land every shot on the opponent, something that can be done easily with the shotgun. Remember though, the Scattershot can ricochet.

Completely and entirely agree. Played at RTX as well.
Doesn’t the weapon balance feel so awesome! And I agree about the Shotty. I bet it has a sick point blank blast radius. ScatterShot is hard to land every particle, but when you do… very pretty.

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> > Playing Halo 4 at RTX, the DMR seemed to have a boost since Reach. But against the BR, they seemed pretty well matched. As for the Scattershot, it wasn’t as powerful as I thought it would be. In my opinion ,even though I didn’t get to use the Shotgun, I think the Shotgun would beat the Scattershot in a head to head match. The problem with the Scattershot is that you have to land every shot on the opponent, something that can be done easily with the shotgun. Remember though, the Scattershot can ricochet.
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> Completely and entirely agree. Played at RTX as well.
> Doesn’t the weapon balance feel so awesome! And I agree about the Shotty. I bet it has a sick point blank blast radius. ScatterShot is hard to land every particle, but when you do… very pretty.

Exactly. I was able to pick it up once, chased this guy down the corridors. Took 3 to 4 shots to kill him, even when I was close to him.

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> Railgun Beats everything.

no, tank beats everything

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> Why does there HAVE to be “This vs. that”? Each weapon fits into their own roles, some overlapping others a little.

Great that you see my point! The best thing I hope for is that the weapons I mentioned earlier each have something they are best at.

From reading about the scattershot here, I think im getting a bit of relief. If i’m imagining it right, its not like the shotgun where its 1-2 shots to kill at the prefered range, but more like 2-4 and with a bit of cover tactics (I honestly can’t imagine the bouncing projectiles, i’ll have to try it out myself I guess).

I can sleep better now, nice discussion guys!

@TriedCascade- the BR is accurate, but not too good in Halo 3. I remember playing the first campaign level and I had to burn through half a clip just to ground one sniper Jackal. In the case you described, I think you just missed a little (no offence to your skills).

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We already know that the BR will be for close-mid range, and the DMR, mid-long range. Also, I believe that the Scattershot has more range than the Shotgun, but does less damage. I’m not certain, though.