The BR is by FAR a better weapon than the AR. It also has a higher skill ceiling and skill variance than the AR. This is why BR starts are default in ranked and not in social.
A team of 4 average BR users is better than a team of 4 average skilled AR users.
Consider the sandbox too. A team of 4 BR users have a much easier time dealing with power weapons because of the versatility and effective range. As such - power weapons and basic weapon pickups actually become less valuable.
Social should remain with AR starts, it is better for noobs and low skilled players and if you really want one you can pick one up. Low skilled players will just keep whatever they spawn with and, if this is a BR, theyâll play even worse.
Thatâs not fun for the average gamer so I still fail to understand why youâre pushing this so hard. Itâs not going to happen because it simply does not encourage weapon variety. That statement is utterly false.
Your argument would be valid if people worked as a team in this game consistently. Even in a stack of 4 people you know personally, itâs hard to find people that know how to teamshot. Whether itâs AR or BR starts itâs the same problem.
BR starts objectively encourages weapon variety. Itâs been proven and well documented.
If it didnât, then no weapons would be on maps in BR starts at all. Instead, thereâs a clear reasoning behind everything in the sandbox and when and how to use it.
haha - so you see this as an argument? Well that explains ALOT!
But I thought all of your âproofâ hinged upon LUCID being PRO, and therefore everyone switches weapons because the top halo player does?
Oh Wait - HAHA - your argument DID hinge on LUCIDâŚbecause you posted a youtube video of LUCID swapping weapons around to support what you want - BR, starts
LOL - there are weapons on the map regardless of weapon start (AR/BR speaking). Youâre literally contradicting yourselfâŚItâs an arena shooter, having weapons on the map with different benefits is how you encourage people to pick weapons up. Maybe they shuold just give everyone a pulse rifle or plasma pistol to start because that makes every other weapon on map viable - LOL
Lets be honest. You just want BR, starts because you prefer BR starts. It has nothing to do with âweapon varietyâ because a pro switching weapons does not indicate increased weapon variety. Furthermore - myself and numerous other posters on here have given you reasons as to why AR over BR has a place in the game and you just come back with the same old stuff.
With respect - I think this âconversationâ is over.
I agree with this. Imo, AR starts perhaps just promotes more map traversal between players because you canât really form a set up if people donât have precision weapons at hand. Its also part of the social aspect too though. Sorta likeâŚmore running and gunning, chaotic moments of players just playing loosly. Not that the goal isnât to win, but idk I just see it this way. Weapons still get picked up, but the AR is just easy to use, and fundamentally better for players who struggle with their aim.
For BR starts, players are encouraged to pick up weapons for their niche role on the map. The team shot aspect brought upâŚI mean weâre playing a game that rewards precision and positioning when it comes to skill. That canât ever be looked at from a negative perspective. Every single weapon on the maps are pretty solid though man. The difference between why someone does or doesnât pick up alternative weapons imo is very simple.
your starting weapon and its effectivenes, reliability, and ease of use vs weapons on map.
AR is easier to use than the BR, and in a match where everyone spawns with the AR, the team shot aspect (as far as a player feeling at a disadvantage holding an AR vs an opponent with a BR diminishes because its maybe only 1 or 2 players using a BR or commando for example. Then at this point players would thinkâŚAR or commando? Man commando is hard to use. Iâll stick with AR. AR or sentinel beam? Man sentinel beam is hard to use. Pulse carbine? I dont understand this weapon. AR or BR? Well the synergy between the 2 feels good, and truthfully the BR is easier to use then a commando and for some, perhaps a sidekick as well.
Meanwhile in rankedâŚmost players know commando is insane if you can aim, and Iâve seen players win against the BR. Sentinel beam melts. Pulse carbines hold this combo is great. Etc etc. Everything feels good to pick up. I meanâŚI even pick up the AR. Why not? That things ridiculous at its range .
For ranked though, itâs understood that the team should control the weapons. Pretty much as many as they can. They donât want to be caught at a disadvantage. Idk about social. The AR fits the bills for a lot. SoâŚI guess thats kind of the point youâre also making right? That for some players they wont feel encouraged to pick up other weapons since in that game settings, it fits most case scenariosâŚwhich tbh is probably designed that way for a reason though. It cant be so bad that everything feels too good in comparison. Idk
Yes, I showed evidence that the best player in the world uses more weapons regularly than people who like AR starts.
My point is proven by you admitting you just want to use the AR.
Your arguments about people not all being as good as pros is valid. Because generally the people who arenât good at Halo are the ones that consistently prefer AR starts.
Thus people who donât understand the game wonât worry about picking up weapons in the first place, and just use what theyâre given. Thatâs what AR starts is all about.
I think Iâve won this argument time and again but people still think itâs about opinion instead of data.
And I told you to google a bell curve and work out where the majority of the halo infinite population reside
I told you in an earlier post I prefer BR.
My point is proven that you will argue for the sake of it.
And therefore it is not a problem having AR starts.
Way to prove me right.
Itâs exactly about your opinion because you are looking at an extreme datapoint (LUCID) to form an argument that affects a population that mostly resides in plat 3
See from my experience this turns out to be the opposite. Maybe at extreme low skill level the AR might discourage other weapon use because people donât know how to use other weapons but that same thing would happen with a BR start.
I think as skill levels rise the BR has vastly more situations in which it is useful when compared to an AR. As i stated the AR has a pretty slim window in which it is the ideal gun. Most if not all close range map weapons outkill it within their range and then all long range guns outrange it.
With AR starts by default you will have to get closer to people to kill them. So this gives all those close range weapons more instances of being used. BR starts push out the range each player is capable of. This makes it less likely you will be getting in close range because if you only have a BR its not in your best interests to get close and if an enemy is trying to push you you will try to keep distance or if you are trying to push the enemy and they only have a BR they will try to keep their distance.
The BR is the best weapon to use for consistent descoping as well. This will limit how often people use other ranged weapons now. Often i think, âwhy push to get a marginally better weapon (for the situation not TTK) when i could instead ignore most ranged weapons on the map to push a better sightline that i can shoot from with a BR anyway?â
So now that we know the BR, simply by being the easiest to use ranged weapon, has a play style that keeps you out of effective range of shorter range weapons while helping you to easily counter and overpower ranged weapons and also lessing the desire to go grab most ranged weapons because you already have one that is the easiet to use and can descope better than any of the others and has more ammo than the others.
This is why the BR promotes less map weapon use by design and is the experience i have always had. Again this is only bad if you want more diversity. But if you want to lessen the effect of map weapons to mitigate the risk of someone with a map weapon being able to use it to great effectiveness then this lower diversity is great. This is where both sides differ: Do you like how BR or AR starts play more?
Itâs a huge problem to be stuck with an AR if you actually want to win and do well in a team game.
The best player in the game uses more weapon variety than you do.
Learn to be better by doing the same.
This is just a minor point but people try to hard scope too much in this game. Getting the hang of using all the weapons without relying on ADS is a big help.
I find that the better I get the more i can rely on the BR and just ignore map weapons for the most part. Because i know to stay out of close range and i can bob and weave while shooting to descope and outkill ranged weapons in most encounters. I feel actively discouraged to use more weapons when i can be as good as i am with the BR. Im not saying i am the best player ever i am just saying for my skill level as i get better and better the BR seems to become more and more useful and i end up seeing others use less and i use less weapons.
Obviously you donât know who I am. I have literally advocated for people to use weapons they overlooked since Halo 3. I had a whole series of videos about the Brute Shot before people even thought the weapon was worth picking up.
No. You donât. You like AR starts. I guarantee if this game tracked kills you would have AR, Sidekick, Grenades, and Melees as your most used TODâs.
Youâre not picking up the Ravager and getting overkills. You probably donât even pick up most of the weapons. Itâs clear that your only goal is to spawn, rush, kill one guy, die, and repeat the process over and over without thinking about the minutiae.
Now this is true and from what i see from pros the best way to use a sniper is to hip fire, break shields, and either swap to the BR for the kill or hope you team gets them. This is part of what i donât like. The sniper should be trying to force people to engage at longer ranges and outrange people not being used as a better Plasma Pistol. I like hard weapon roles and the reason i dont like BR starts is because it covers so many rolls so easily.
Itâs mostly the problem with the stupid scope glint. If youâre not no scoping or quick scoping you might as well not be using any of the scoped weapons in a real match
Let me guessâŚyouâre diamond V and the max rank you have been is low onyx - letâs say 1500-1510 - and youâve gotten there by playing with a team of golds/platinums?
Well Iâve never heard of you, which means youâre probably nowhere near pro level. Just some kid capturing an overkill whilst using a power weapon.
So grenades and melees arenât viable weapons then?
No - I certainly donât use the ravager. There are more effective weapons to pick up. Would you like to know which ones XD
I mean, it actually objectively is. Itâs a two shot kill with a huge melee bonus and a tactically powerful secondary fire ability. Itâs practically overpowered now.
Probably with the AR sure. But in the game itself no.
I donât want to make you look worse than youâre making yourself look already. Maybe itâs best you quit trying to punch up.
What other close range weapons are you referencing by saying the AR consequently gets you into those haory situations by needing to be closer? It actually has a decent range tbh though. Its not like the old halos where it was bad. So i donât get this comment. You mean weapons that are on longer timers where only 1 player out of the 8 will even be holding such weapon? That perspective doesnât hold well when you consider that. Help me understand this.
Its all situational and depends on settings. This is why I outlined things like team shots, set ups vs not set ups taking places because in social how many players will have a BR in comparison to each player spawning in with the AR?
I prefer ranked because there is no motion tracker, and it rewards precision, positioning, and all that other stuff that makes someone good. I can list it all out but I would imagine you know most that stuff if youâve played halo long enough.
I feel like I said everything I need to in my first reply though. I will say thoughâŚthat AR starts to me by desigh is meant to lower the skill gap amongst players, and create a place where you donât have to be exceptionally good at using a precision weapon. This is why it gets hold for so long and not swapped out.
BR starts is 2 fold though. 1 is that yes, other weapons are very useful. 2, is that you start only with 1 weapon. Its recommended to pick up a secondary regardless, though that point itself doesnât nullify that the map spawned weapons are very useful in their purpose on the map.
I may reread what you wrote and add more in another reply in case i missed anything or you think i perhaps should comment on feel free to let me know and I can when I have more time. These 10 min breaks at work are quite short.