At this point i don’t care if you are incapable or unwilling to see the differences. All you need to know is that trying to kill off a playlist is a losing matter. It didn’t work in MCC and I don’t see it working here.
Simply argue for more not less.
That’s because he is the best player in the world; unlike >99% of the halo infinite gaming population.
This is a link to LUCID - the best player in the world. It is not relevent.
Definitely not relevent to the overwhelming majority of the population.
Proof: Google a bell curve - that peak is the largest proportion of the population . That tail at either side? LUCID exists at one of those.
People use more variety in AR start lobbies.
You didnt have proof so I dont need any either.
What are you even talking about?
More people are using a AR or Magnum in AR starts, because they’re equally average weapons and you spawn with both of them.
There are also more of them on map…because you spawn with both of them.
BR starts does the same thing - increases the best vanilla weapon IG in occurence because (you guesed it) you spawn with them. What’s more is - you usually dont have a second weapon in B.R, starts…which means everyone is using them.
I dont think you have any idea about anything. you just want BRstarts.
I think it manly has to do with it being a mid-long range weapon. In matches with people who are avg & above, it promotes a more competitive match through immediate challenges for map control. This is subsequently why many people don’t like BR slayer in social, it makes it more sweaty.
Personally I’m in the camp of liking some variety but ultimately, we just need a match composer. Since MCC has one and people can still find matches, Infinite really has no excuse for not having one
You’ve proven me right, good job.
Lucid, the best player in the game, chooses to use every weapon in the game, because almost every weapon in the game is very good.
In AR starts, most weapons are ignored completely because people are bad at Halo and don’t understand any weapon besides whatever they spawn with, and the AR is the easiest weapon to use in the entire game. You just point at them and hold the trigger down and they die in 1.25 seconds. On top of that, the AR is as strong or stronger than about 1/3 of the sandbox so there’s no reason to use anything besides it in close engagements.
If all you want to use is the AR that’s fine, there are AR’s on almost every map in ranked that you can pick up.
I don’t care for either honestly. Like would sidekick starts be that bad?
Objectively better than AR starts for sure
no it doesn’t, the BR historically has been too good at all weapon ranges…it does the exact opposite of what you say
What weapons do you drop the AR for
Any other close range weapon and all ranged weapons. So litterally almost the entire sandbox. I already stated above what each start does to almost every weapon in terms of play time but you just said no and don’t accept it. Denial doesn’t help anyone.
That proves my point. You and everyone else actively use less weapons when you have an AR because there’s no reason to pick them up.
There’s a much more logical reason to pick up a sentinel beam or heatwave in BR starts than AR starts. That’s why pros do it.
In social all I ever see anyone pick up is a couple of the power weapons, they don’t know how most of the sandbox works and just ignore weapons on the rack.
The difference is that in BTB people pick up everything they walk by, but they’re all so dog-awful they just waste the weapons that way anyway. You can never find a hydra or Ravager when you need one because your idiot teammate just picked it up and died on the other side of the map without even hurting someone
They only pick up the weapons more, if thats even the case but i would doubt it, because they have no secondary. I litterally already went over this. Due to people using a BR and it having way more range than an AR, you will actively use all close range weapons less because your enemies will stay further away because they don’t have to get close to be effective. Even if the other team gets the close range weapons the easy solution is to keep distance.
How from my statement of me going over each gun did you get me saying i use them less with an AR spawn? I said out of all the guns only 2 get used more with BR spawns. Most of the rest either get used less or basically not at all.
Why are you not picking up all that list of objectively powerful weapons just because you have a BR? Nobody else is ignoring the bulldog just because they have a BR. That’s what I’m not able to grasp here.
Im not ignoring it. Just using it less because my enemies who don’t necessarily have a close range gun will want to keep their distance. Thats just how BR starts play. BRs don’t outkill close range guns so the most effective way to use the BR is to stay outside of their range if possible.
Its all about the genral engagement distance. In AR spawns people have to get within a certain range to be effective. That range is a heck of a lot closer to the bulldogs than the BRs optimal range is.
For example, in ranked i hardly see anyone actually try to use the needler and when they do i am able to dodge the needles most of the time because i have a BR so i automatically stay further away so i am always less likely to be in the effective range of an enemy needler anyway. So that limits when the needler is able to be used.
Im not saying the BR has the best TTK all the time but the way you play while using one intrinsically limits other weapons opportunities to be used effectively.
We just play the game extremely differently I guess. I fight people, and often at close/mid range. I move around the map, and I look for multikills.
I don’t understand what’s fun about hiding and camping etc
I don’t hide and camp. I push pretty aggressively but i keep a safe distance while also using cover. Maybe we should play together some time just to see how the other plays and better understand each other or something because its hard to describe or understand play styles in their entirety based off text.
Anyways i want you guys to get the playlist you want just not at the expense of the one i like and i would hope you all think the same way.
Yeah, just sit in a corner with a BR and pick off easy kills, that’s very engaging and I can see how the map gets used to its fullest potential sarcasm.
ARs need a nerf, and they need to be the primary starting weapon. H3 had the formula so well done, AR starts, find better weapons on the map if you want to shoot ranged (encourages map movement), and fight close to quarters if you must. This formula is halo, sitting in the back with a ranged weapon is for sweaty trash.
Bruh the AR in H3 was a BB gun. My friends and I always called it the asphalt rifle because it was like throwing rocks at people.
I don’t want any weapon to be useless like that, I just don’t want sloppy automatic starts
BR starts may not encourage variety but the video shows that variety can still co-exist, which is a popular counterargument against BRs, where the BR is so dominant the majority of the sandbox is neglected.
This contention particularly risen from previous installments, such as H3 or H2, where the BR utility was so powerful the majority of the sandbox is neglected. Or you could say the rest of the sandbox wasn’t up to par with the BR. However, the “evidence” that we currently have does not represent the majority of the population, not all players are up to par with Lucid.
Despite the video not being applicable to everyone, we have to acknowledge that Halo’s Infinite sandbox is much different from its previous predecessors. H3’s BR was so dominant not just because of its effective utility, but because the surrounding sandbox in that game was underwhelming in comparison and the design of some maps exacerbated H3’s BR issue (Think of maps like construct or StandOff with very long sightlines). Fast Forward into 2022, 343 increased the weapon sandbox lethality or gave unique traits to make those weapons more viable than what they already were. For instance, the Optimal ttk of the AR in H3 has a ttk of 1:40s while the Optimal TTK in HI is 1:25s.
To sum things up, the sandbox surrounding the HI BR is much more formidable because they’re reliable from increased lethality or utility. Therefore, the rest of the sandbox isn’t nearly as neglected if the BR was a starting weapon because most tools are reliable. This doesn’t mean the issue of one weapon dominating the majority of the sandbox magically disappears (some people may prefer this type of playstyle) but the issue isn’t as severe as some people bring it up to be.
Although, I’m not too sure why someone would prefer BR starts playlist to remove AR starts for social playlists. Why not include both? I would rather have the game be bloated with an AR and BR start playlist then remove what bare-bones content we currently have. Especially since both of those communities are polarized in what they prefer. Could you imagine if 343 removed AR start playlists from MCC because the BR playlist already exists?
I have to say it is refreshing in a sense to see AR start proponents flat out admit they want to stat pad against targets that can’t shoot back.
Players dying with little to know ability to fight back is not good for the player doing the dying to its extremely questionable to claim that is good for the health of the game. “but well its subjective so who’s to say” is such an incredible copout. Of course there is no such thing as “objectively good” game design, but if you are going to try an justify “actually easy kills on fresh spawn with little effort is good” You are going to need to do a whole lot better then "well that’s just your opinion man.
Again with this nonsensical claim that BR starts force you to stay close to cover. Either there is a longer sightline in a given location on the map or there isn’t. Either a pathway is safe from ranged fire or it isn’t. The type of player who blunders into exposed sightlines with nothing but a close range weapon is the same type of player who is going to get farmed by the people who do have precision weapons. Players don’t suddenly get the ability to shoot through solid walls because there are more precision weapons to go around.
I don’t care that AR stans won’t willingly give it up, they should be stepped over because they can’t justify their position without completely misrepresenting how either starting setup plays or how the useful other parts of the sandbox are. There is no point in coddling the ignorant with “well lets just do both”
It will never stop making me laugh that AR stans will give up on the franchise because they might also spawn with a precision weapon in addition to the bullet hose after apparently 20 years of smashing their faces into the brick wall that is the “precision meta” aka Halo.
I genuinely believe those types of people would be better of finding another shooter. I’m not even saying that in a “well if you don’t like it you can leave”, I just honestly can’t imagine coming to a franchise that is inherently dominated by a playstyle I don’t care for.
Like I enjoy Gears even if I don’t personally care for the Gnasher centered gameplay, so I just don’t play the multiplayer rather than demand the game change to suit my image of what Gears should be even if that image has never really existed in Gears.