Hello community,
Could someone explain to me why there isn’t a single Ranked Playlist with BR Starts, or hell even DMR starts? (excluding Swat).
I’ve played Halo for years, and I remember there used to be at least one Ranked playlist that had BR Starts. For that matter, why don’t they have a MLG playlist anymore?
I haven’t played Halo 5 for a year, so I don’t know if I missed something within that year for them to take it out.
If someone could just enlighten me on the topic, much appreciated.
BTB starts with Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle. And technically, Team Arena is the MLG playlist. BTB isn’t ranked but it used to. Why they don’t have a BR start, I don’t know. There was a BR start for the Beta in 2015 and I guess their decision is based on that feedback…
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> BTB starts with Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle. And technically, Team Arena is the MLG playlist. BTB isn’t ranked but it used to. Why they don’t have a BR start, I don’t know. There was a BR start for the Beta in 2015 and I guess their decision is based on that feedback…
I am aware of BTB starting with BR. But I am looking for a playlist with purely BR start, plus RANKED.
I kind of figured they used Team Arena as an MLG replace, but still back in the day MLG Playlists had BR starts. I may be wrong, but I’m sure the pros only do BR starts.
I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
> I may be wrong, but I’m sure the pros only do BR starts.
Then I’m pretty sure you’re wrong, I’ve seen pro matches on twitch and they play with standard loadouts.
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> I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
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> The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
Well that’s the thing. I’m not looking for it to become the norm, although that would be nice. I’m just asking for 1 Ranked Playlist with BR starts.
The pistol is a nice feel, but everyone spawning with a BR, to me, determines true skill. The game just feels right to me.
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> > I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
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> > The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
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> Well that’s the thing. I’m not looking for it to become the norm, although that would be nice. I’m just asking for 1 Ranked Playlist with BR starts.
> The pistol is a nice feel, but everyone spawning with a BR, to me, determines true skill. The game just feels right to me.
I don’t get why BR start should dertermine true skill though. The magnum takes more skill to use.
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> > > I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
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> > > The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
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> > Well that’s the thing. I’m not looking for it to become the norm, although that would be nice. I’m just asking for 1 Ranked Playlist with BR starts.
> > The pistol is a nice feel, but everyone spawning with a BR, to me, determines true skill. The game just feels right to me.
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> I don’t get why BR start should dertermine true skill though. The magnum takes more skill to use.
It’s hard for me to say or to explain why I feel like that. Just playing Halo series for so long the BR is the go to weapon for me and other competitive players.
I’m not saying the Halo 5 pistol doesn’t take skill, because it certainly does. I personally feel that the game feels better with better precision weapons like the BR and DMR. I know some people will not agree with me, but there are others out there who I am sure feel the same way.
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> > > > I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
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> > > > The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
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> > > Well that’s the thing. I’m not looking for it to become the norm, although that would be nice. I’m just asking for 1 Ranked Playlist with BR starts.
> > > The pistol is a nice feel, but everyone spawning with a BR, to me, determines true skill. The game just feels right to me.
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> > I don’t get why BR start should dertermine true skill though. The magnum takes more skill to use.
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> It’s hard for me to say or to explain why I feel like that. Just playing Halo series for so long the BR is the go to weapon for me and other competitive players.
> I’m not saying the Halo 5 pistol doesn’t take skill, because it certainly does. I personally feel that the game feels better with better precision weapons like the BR and DMR. I know some people will not agree with me, but there are others out there who I am sure feel the same way.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. And I’ve felt the same way on previous Halo games.
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> > > > > I really hope BR start won’t become the norm again though.
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> > > > > The magnum is really growing on me and is by far the most interesting weapon to use. At least imo.
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> > > > Well that’s the thing. I’m not looking for it to become the norm, although that would be nice. I’m just asking for 1 Ranked Playlist with BR starts.
> > > > The pistol is a nice feel, but everyone spawning with a BR, to me, determines true skill. The game just feels right to me.
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> > > I don’t get why BR start should dertermine true skill though. The magnum takes more skill to use.
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> > It’s hard for me to say or to explain why I feel like that. Just playing Halo series for so long the BR is the go to weapon for me and other competitive players.
> > I’m not saying the Halo 5 pistol doesn’t take skill, because it certainly does. I personally feel that the game feels better with better precision weapons like the BR and DMR. I know some people will not agree with me, but there are others out there who I am sure feel the same way.
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> Yeah I get what you’re saying. And I’ve felt the same way on previous Halo games.
I just wish 343 would reach out to the players, like myself, who are still interested in BR Starts by hooking us up with a playlist, besides BTB.
The reason you see the lack of br starts, especially ranked wise is cuz h5 isn’t built around it. The maps are made specifically with the magnum as the intended utility weapon. The br won’t work unless it’s fixed to work like the magnum, or the maps get reworked to work with the br. If you’ve played btb you’ll see many issues with br starts on that alone, and it’s something I’ve wanted change from the get go. They were made for magnum starts initially.
in short: the br doesn’t play like it used to in h2-4, it got redesigned in h5 where it functions completely different to where it’s not a fitting starting weapon, the magnum was however built to fit.
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> The reason you see the lack of br starts, especially ranked wise is cuz h5 isn’t built around it. The maps are made specifically with the magnum as the intended utility weapon. The br won’t work unless it’s fixed to work like the magnum, or the maps get reworked to work with the br. If you’ve played btb you’ll see many issues with br starts on that alone, and it’s something I’ve wanted change from the get go. They were made for magnum starts initially.
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> in short: the br doesn’t play like it used to in h2-4, it got redesigned in h5 where it functions completely different to where it’s not a fitting starting weapon, the magnum was however built to fit.
So it comes down to bad design is what you’re saying? If it doesn’t work as well as before then why have it in at all. There are still BR spawns with Slayer and it seems, to me, that it works just fine on every map when used. I don’t know though, you may be looking into it deeper than I am and I am having a difficult time trying to understand.
The BR has some added range and bullet mag… the point of the Magnum is to give players a ranged weapon with limited RRR, that requires a bit more precision at longer ranges, but is still able to fight back against all weapons. The AR excels in close range and is more effective, but the pistol is still a 3-shot/beatdown. More than fair…
The Magnum does everything reasonably well… 5SK/perfects are achievable across the map but it can be tough without that magnetic assistance, but that is the point.
It’s a utility weapon that still allows for other weapon pick-ups to be more viable, but in doing so, it is still effective and perfectly capable of beating out a Rifle in good hands. That is the purpose of a starting weapon, to give players a chance in all scenarios.
Honestly, this is the best pistol we’ve had in a Halo game…
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> The BR has some added range and bullet mag… the point of the Magnum is to give players a ranged weapon with limited RRR, that requires a bit more precision at longer ranges, but is still able to fight back against all weapons. The AR excels in close range and is more effective, but the pistol is still a 3-shot/beatdown. More than fair…
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> The Magnum does everything reasonably well… 5SK/perfects are achievable across the map but it can be tough without that magnetic assistance, but that is the point.
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> It’s a utility weapon that still allows for other weapon pick-ups to be more viable, but in doing so, it is still effective and perfectly capable of beating out a Rifle in good hands. That is the purpose of a starting weapon, to give players a chance in all scenarios.
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> Honestly, this is the best pistol we’ve had in a Halo game…
This.
This is exactly why I think BR start is a terrible idea. The game is perfectly balanced as it is now.
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> The BR has some added range and bullet mag… the point of the Magnum is to give players a ranged weapon with limited RRR, that requires a bit more precision at longer ranges, but is still able to fight back against all weapons. The AR excels in close range and is more effective, but the pistol is still a 3-shot/beatdown. More than fair…
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> The Magnum does everything reasonably well… 5SK/perfects are achievable across the map but it can be tough without that magnetic assistance, but that is the point.
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> It’s a utility weapon that still allows for other weapon pick-ups to be more viable, but in doing so, it is still effective and perfectly capable of beating out a Rifle in good hands. That is the purpose of a starting weapon, to give players a chance in all scenarios.
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> Honestly, this is the best pistol we’ve had in a Halo game…
I feel like we’re getting away from the point.
You make a great argument and I do agree. I never said the pistol was bad or it took no skill to use. I was just curious as to why they don’t give us the option to have BR Starts in separate Ranked Playlist.
Am I really the only one that wants this? 
The magnum fills the “utility role” where its decent at close, medium and long range like the BR used to in previous games and the BR is buffed to and designed to be a pickup weapon. BR starts are something have been tested by many people (including myself) and its pretty universally disliked. The BR is too strong and easy to use in this game. The magnum is a better designed weapon and magnum fights separate skilled players more effectively.
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> > The reason you see the lack of br starts, especially ranked wise is cuz h5 isn’t built around it. The maps are made specifically with the magnum as the intended utility weapon. The br won’t work unless it’s fixed to work like the magnum, or the maps get reworked to work with the br. If you’ve played btb you’ll see many issues with br starts on that alone, and it’s something I’ve wanted change from the get go. They were made for magnum starts initially.
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> > in short: the br doesn’t play like it used to in h2-4, it got redesigned in h5 where it functions completely different to where it’s not a fitting starting weapon, the magnum was however built to fit.
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> So it comes down to bad design is what you’re saying? If it doesn’t work as well as before then why have it in at all. There are still BR spawns with Slayer and it seems, to me, that it works just fine on every map when used. I don’t know though, you may be looking into it deeper than I am and I am having a difficult time trying to understand.
It’s not so much bad design as it is different design. Previous games with the Battle Rifle had the game’s balance and map design centered around the Battle Rifle as a starting weapon, rather than the Magnum. Halo 5 is different because it is designed around the Magnum as a starting weapon. It isn’t that the Battle Rifle doesn’t work as well as it did before, it’s more that Halo 5’s BR is meant to be a weapon you pick up as an upgrade to your starter.
Trust me. BR starts are trash in H5. It’s just too easy to use in this game. I would prefer magnum only starts.
>> Because battle riffles are cancer…
Less fights occur in close quarters.
Take one step out and you get a BR to the face from 5 different angles…
With better shooting “physics” the BR shold be considered a power weapon, not a starter.
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> > The BR has some added range and bullet mag… the point of the Magnum is to give players a ranged weapon with limited RRR, that requires a bit more precision at longer ranges, but is still able to fight back against all weapons. The AR excels in close range and is more effective, but the pistol is still a 3-shot/beatdown. More than fair…
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> > The Magnum does everything reasonably well… 5SK/perfects are achievable across the map but it can be tough without that magnetic assistance, but that is the point.
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> > It’s a utility weapon that still allows for other weapon pick-ups to be more viable, but in doing so, it is still effective and perfectly capable of beating out a Rifle in good hands. That is the purpose of a starting weapon, to give players a chance in all scenarios.
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> > Honestly, this is the best pistol we’ve had in a Halo game…
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> I feel like we’re getting away from the point.
> You make a great argument and I do agree. I never said the pistol was bad or it took no skill to use. I was just curious as to why they don’t give us the option to have BR Starts in separate Ranked Playlist.
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> Am I really the only one that wants this?
Halo 5’s utility weapon is the Pistol. The sandbox revolves around it.
Previous Halo games had the BR as the utility weapon. The sandbox revolved around that.
Halo 5’s BR has way too much accuracy and range for it to be a starting weapon, to the point where matches just become standstills. That’s why the BRs are map pickup weapons with limited ammo.
That’s why BTB is a mess right now, because everyone has a BR on maps that were meant to be used with Pistols.