Originally Posted by: PURE HALO 95 Go to Quoted Post
The BR is niw a 5-shot kill.
Burst is the same as far as I know.
BR is bad at long range.
DMR is bad at close range.
Weapon sandbox is being majorly expanded.
Everything you said has already come true…
Originally Posted by: DBD Shadow LK Go to Quoted Post
We have no confirmation on that. It SHOULD be, but honestly it could be good at close range - long range if your good enough.
The BR will only be good from close-medium range, so It definitely should be a 4-shot weapon. If I had to balance the two, I’d put the BR back to 4-shot, with the same fire rate it has now from the videos. The DMR would stay 5-shot, but it would clearly wreck at long-ranges, but then lose to the BR at close range. The medium range will be all up to the player’s skill, because the BR could EASILY miss one shot, which would make it on par with the DMR.
With saying that, I do not know the fire rate of the DMR, but if I could chose something for it to compare to, it’d be the fire rate of the Halo 3 BR. A bit slower than the Halo 4 BR fire rate but still pretty good.
If that were the actual fire rate of the DMR in Halo 4, then I’m pretty sure that the BR being 4-shot, and the DMR being 5-shot would be perfect in Halo 4 to balance those weapons. Assuming they still have the same range as in Halo:Reach, and Halo 3.
I honestly have no clue why the BR would stay 5-shot. You can so easily miss that one shot, and then it becomes a 6-shot weapon, making it less useful than the DMR, a single-shot weapon that can easily hit it’s target because only one bullet is needed to hit the target, not all three.
I don’t know if I’m wrong or right, but I REALLY hate the BR being 5-shot. It just kills me to think that my favourite gun from the series won’t be back to the glory I was alluded to when I heard it was coming back. The signature “4-shot kill” will become “5-shot”, which I know isn’t very liked by a LOT of players.
When you play with the Halo 2 BR, you never go back.
EDIT: Just wondering from that poll, the people who said keep the BR the way it is. Do you guys mean keep it like it’s been seen in Halo 4, being 5-shot with faster fire rate? Or do you mean like it was in Halo 2/3, being a 4-shot with a little bit faster fire rate in Halo 2 than Halo 3?
Just wondering, because I hope you guys don’t think that the BR is 5-shot. Preposterous.
Response from XRounX:
Once again, this -Yoink!- server deleted my lengthy response to this post before it was submitted, so im going to try again…
I see your point on how the BR and DMR can be better balanced in that way, my big fear about that is that people will figure out how to make the BR work at any range and keep the trend of one super weapon only going…
My big stance on everything, the reason for this thread, is that I am sick and tired of seeing the same old thing, one weapon is perfect, no other weapon other than power weapons can compete, so thats the only weapon that ever gets used, it was that way in halo2, then in halo3, then in Reach, but at least in Reach the DMR was actually accurate so people like me who cant do marksmanship as well as everyone else actually had a chance of fighting on an even field.
What I have always wanted is freedom of choice, im so sick of one weapon being better than everything else, if you had categories of weapons that did selective things and only those selective things then each category is powerful in its own right. Marksmanship weapons like the BR, DMR, Sniper, are all naturally powerful at range, thats how they are designed, while AR, SMG, Plasma weapons and so on are semi-full auto weapons that are more practical at close range but suffer more at long range, while of course you would have weapons that bleed thru and make odd exceptions, like the carbine/needle rifles.
Each weapon, and category of weapons is designed to operate a certain way, hopefully in a unique capacity, so that every weapon is valuable in its own way, under its own conditions, and different weapons expose weaknesses of other weapons, and so on.
Long winded yes, but this is a big deal and it needs to be addressed in its fullest.
If things continue the way they have been for the last decade, then 343 will have failed in every respect, especially with examples like Bungie allowing MLG (Moronic Lame-brain Game-breakers) to decide what was considered “pro” effectively stripping the game down to your choice of DMR, DMR, or DMR as your weapon, and your choice of Sprint, Sprint, or Sprint, as your armor ability, basically flushed any concept of real skill, creativity and frankly competitive spirit out of the game.
The whole concept of “skill” and competition is setting up the basic goals of the game of what it takes to win, then leaving the gate wide open for people to explore HOW, to win the game.
If people can sit here and honestly tell me that the contest of skill is limited to the selective first choice favorite of anyone, and not left open to the individual spirit and the collective of everyone who plays, then they are the biggest bigots who have ever lived.
To tell people that, in order for you to be good at something, in order for you to win, you MUST do everything the way we do, and if you even think about doing things differently you are condemned to the fate of being a noob moron loser, every insult under the sun belittling someone into little more than a pile of pissed on dust, what makes it any different than racism, religious, or any other kind of bigotry.
The back bone of skill is the sportsmanship spirit of fair play and unhindered creativity, is it not?
I approach this whole issue with the American spirit, freedom and equality for all, not all rights reserved by royalty, or some “social elite” everyone is equal, we all have a fair say in this game.
I take it all very personally because I have mental and physical problems with playing a marksmanship role, I am left handed, so all the major dexterity is in my left thumb, on top of that, I stabbed myself to the bone in my right hand near my thumb, while I havent loss any noticeable use with my hand it still feels odd. Then theres something in by brain that cant manage stress when im in a tense situation trying to do something very exact, especially when all the -Yoink!- holes keep jumping up and down throwing my shots off.
I can do just about everything, I can make myself focus with the DMR to get those shots in when they count, but my real strength is in tactics and planning, I can learn how people think, the way they do things, and alter the way I play to knock them off balance, its all about behavior.
I cant be the only one, I cant be the only person who has some kind of problem with playing a certain way, but instead of being a petty vindictive bigot like all the -Yoink!- holes on xbox live, im not calling for the ban of anything, I simply want the freedom to play the way I play best, if me lots of options and choices to work with, let me find a way of beating the “popular” strategy, so that they would in turn need to find a way of beating mine, and round and round it goes, everyone finding new ways of doing things constantly evolving the gameplay, not bigotive, not selfish, petty, controlling, vindictive, forcing people to be something they are not…
Thats my stance, and im sticking to it.