Disclaimer: 343 Industries; with all due respect I am posting this public service announcement to save classic Halo. I understand you guys have your own vision for Halo, but respectfully the vast majority doesn’t agree, and polled population numbers from Halo 4 and hypotheses drawn from the Top 10 Most Played Games for TMCC and Halo 5 prove it. If you feel this thread breaks a forum rule, as I don’t see how it does, then exercise your rights and lock it. I don’t intend to cause any negative reactions, overly emotional responses, or flaming or non-constructive discussions.
Hello everyone,
As you all know 343 has drastically changed Halo from what it once was. Despite the fact it was Bungie who started it with Reach, which we can all agree all, if I can recall correctly that’s what the title updates were for, but the damage was already done. If Bungie were still in charge, we can only purely assume what they would’ve done after Reach’s questionable release.
In regards to 343, obviously Halo 4 was a huge mistake. However, with Halo 5: Guardians, it is still not what the vast majority of Halo fans really are looking for in a Halo game. We don’t have loadouts anymore, but that’s only one part of the problem that’s been reversed back to the original formula. We still have armor abilities, we now have ADS, we still have ability-centric map design, and now we have a new problem—REQ packs.
343, Halo is not a twitch shooter and never has been. There is NO place in an arena/tactical-based game for things such as sprint, ground pound, spartan charge, etc. This is NOT tactical gameplay. It does not matter of everyone starts out with these abilities. This makes the gameplay very random, exacerbates the extremely high TTK and relies less on skill and more on who sees who first to get the kill—things notable that CoD is always criticized for by Halo players. I don’t know about you, but these are reasons why I (and many friends back in Halo’s classic days) always found Halo more entertaining and skillful. If I wanted the randomness ID go play CoD, not Halo.
Armor abilities also doesn’t cater to the competitive community either. Like I said, twitch gameplay is random and doesn’t require skill at all. Nothing Halo 5 has done caters to MLG/competitive gameplay. It makes everything easier, like for example: sprint is an easy bandaid for a player caught in a pinch and can just run away from making a mistake.
REQ packs are another new problem that could’ve been completely avoided if they were never introduced in the first place because Halo is not a F2P MMO. You need to stop catering to casual players. As an example: remember when you saw someone with the EOD armor in a game in Halo 3? You were always cautious around them because of the skill it took to obtain that armor set, so the enemy in turn probably had more skill than you and had to be extra strategic in order to kill them. We need to go back to the ways of actually having to earn things, and having to team up with friends if we have to, in order to make Halo more skillful and rewards a lot more meaningful. I can’t even begin to describe how frustrating it was for me to earn the Recon armor back in the Halo 3 days with the Halo 3 and ODST vidmasters.
Now before anyone says that there’s TMCC all the classic Halo fans can go to conglomerate to, TMCC was released broken and buggy and incomplete. It still is broken and buggy and incomplete (check TMCC forum if you don’t believe me), and 343 has shown no signs of improving TMCC on any of those fronts. It’s still missing a lot of things that made Halo 2 and Halo 3 the Titans they were. Maybe Halo 2 Anniversary should’ve been released as a standalone instead of TMCC itself, complete with clan support, an upgraded Elite armory (and thus finally being able to play as Elites in a 343 Halo game), without all of this mess.
Due to Halo 4, the mismanagement of TMCC, and wanting Halo 5 to pander to this modern gameplay that Halo 3 never needed to (Halo 3 took on 2 CoD games back-to-back, Gears of War, GTA IV, Red Dead Redemption, Left 4 Dead, and Medal of Honor flawlessly), I have not bought Halo 5 and have no intention of doing so. I will keep TMCC with me in hopes that 343 will actually apologize and focus on at least making it playable, and sadly it will possibly be my last Halo game.
One of the best ways to speak to a company is with our wallets. I have done so by not purcashing Halo 5, and I will most likely not be purchasing Halo 6 if this modernization of Halo is what the future of the franchise will be.
Another way of effectively speaking is by focusing on playing the past Halo games and only the past Halo games, even Reach (due to the Title Updates) and avoiding Halo 4 on TMCC. Henceforth, I am focusing on efforts on my Classic Halo Loyalists campaign. I have even started a FB group, a FB page and an Instagram, with more social hubs well on the way. By speaking with our wallets and coming together in classic Halo games and only the classic games, will I think 343 finally listen to how the future of Halo gameplay should look like, and that is what Halo 2 and Halo 3’s foundation presents. The groundwork is already there; all 343 has to do is tweak it, expand it, and even play around with it if there is to be a true Halo successor to Halo 3.
So will you keep playing Halo 5? Will you buy Halo 6? How will you speak with you wallet and how will you continue to play Halo?
People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4 (for some weird reason).
“Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
adding in more movement options does not change the game. that is all that was added aside from paint. the “ads” is zoom with paint. play cod and compare actual ads to what halo 5 has. totally different.
this is a petition. no petitions, thats how it is against the rules.
mods if you will. thank you in advance.
btw classic halo to me is H:CE. No BR, only magnum, and health packs
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> You know you can still just go back and play those Halo games that you like so much, right?
> 343 didn’t erase them from existence.
You’re right we can, unfortunately 343 left that product in a sub par state and its well over a year since that release.
:sprint is an easy bandaid for a player caught in a pinch and can just run away from making a mistake."
If you get shot while sprinting you get forced out of it, if they can’t shoot you before you reach max speed and can’t be shot out of it, well that’s their fault.
And yes, I’m giving 343i my wallet.
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> People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
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> People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
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> “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
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> > People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
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> > People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> > People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> > People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> > People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> > People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> > People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
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> > “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
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> Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
Even the reach line is subjective. Reach post TU with no bloom… Ok now we’re talking
do you have a time machine? cause the only way to “save classic halo” you’d have to travel back in time and stop Halo 2. Every game had drastic changes, removals
and add-ons from the last game. If you really wanted nothing to change then you don’t want new halos you just want remakes with more Maps. It is utterly stupid for a game not to evolve and change, and I would say at least Halo kept its core important features like shields and radar. But, there are 2 of your points that bothered me as 1) is just general gaming industry and 2) you clearly don’t play much Halo 5 or COD if you think they are comparable.
Req points: basically this is an issue of the entire gaming industry and we are lucky the DLC is being given for free as most games have a similar points/req system but also require paid DLC. Again I hate this too, but it is more an issue of the industry and 343 Industries would have to be run by idiots for them to not do this; or become the most altruistic gaming company ever…seriously you are giving 343 -Yoink- for doing something that started in the gaming industry before they were even a company!
twitch shooter: halo 5 is NOT a twitch shooter outside of SWAT. Plus I really don’t even see how you could think having sprint is anything but more tactical. Without it you just all move the same speed meaning reaction times rather than tactical planning is WAY more important. With sprint you have to make choices like “Do I run or recharge” “do I stop and shoot vs trying for a spartan charge”. If anything your complaint is about Halo becoming too tactical rather than just being a walking tank with various guns (as older Halos were) original halo was a run and pretty much mostly came down to “who is the best twitch player with a pistol”.
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> > You know you can still just go back and play those Halo games that you like so much, right?
> > 343 didn’t erase them from existence.
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> You’re right we can, unfortunately 343 left that product in a sub par state and its well over a year since that release.
Is it still that bad? I’ve heard from many of my friends that it works fine now.
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> > People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
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> > People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> > People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> > People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> > People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> > People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> > People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
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> > “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
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> Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
Unfortunately, I’ve seen people here asking to bring back personal ordinance and Spartan Ops. I can’t point them out because that would be against the rules.
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> > > People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
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> > > People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> > > People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> > > People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> > > People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> > > People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> > > People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
> > >
> > > “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
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> > Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
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> Unfortunately, I’ve seen people here asking to bring back personal ordinance and Spartan Ops. I can’t point them out because that would be against the rules.
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> > > 2533274833081329;2:
> > > People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
> > >
> > > People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> > > People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> > > People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> > > People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> > > People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> > > People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
> > >
> > > “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
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> > Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
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> Even the reach line is subjective. Reach post TU with no bloom… Ok now we’re talking
Reach Post TU is basically what the majority remembers. They forget that prior to 343 bloom ran rampant.
Also I’ve seen people not mind Armor Lock, and talk down to people who complain because “they couldn’t use it correctly”.
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> > > People wanted to boycott Halo 5 because of MCC, clearly that didn’t work.
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> > > People hated Halo 2’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo CE
> > > People hated Halo 3’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 2
> > > People hated ODST because it was a “$60 add-on to Halo 3”
> > > People hated Halo Reach’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 3
> > > People hated Halo 4’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo Reach
> > > People hate Halo 5’s mechanics and wanted it to be like Halo 4.
> > >
> > > “Boycotting” one game because of another game is useless. 343i is Yoinked! if they do, Yoinked! if they don’t.
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> > Id say about 95% of your post is spot on though I doubt you will find anyone wanting to make Halo 5 more like Halo 4.
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> Unfortunately, I’ve seen people here asking to bring back personal ordinance and Spartan Ops. I can’t point them out because that would be against the rules.
Some people do like those features. I loved Spartan ops, and I didn’t really have an issue with personal ordinances (granted I didn’t play 4 online very much)
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> > > You know you can still just go back and play those Halo games that you like so much, right?
> > > 343 didn’t erase them from existence.
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> > You’re right we can, unfortunately 343 left that product in a sub par state and its well over a year since that release.
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> Is it still that bad? I’ve heard from many of my friends that it works fine now.