It would be awesome to see bots in halo 5 custom games. This would be a very cool and useful function because it would allow players to play full halo custom games even when they don’t have internet connection. I for instance spend one month of every year up at my cottage. Normally I bring my xbox but am stuck playing single player games because there is no way of playing halo multiplayer without having 7 other gamers sitting in my living room Halo CE style. This would be a great feature because it would allow players to play full multiplayer games against bots when they don’t have a internet connection. This would also be useful if non of your friends are online and you want to play some custom games. Let be clear however. I am not asking to have the bots be able to play on forge maps because I realize how difficult it would be to create bots that could react to player created maps. All I am asking is that there be an option for bots in maps that come preloaded on the disk. This would be a great addition to halo and I think it would be awesome if you guys implemented it.
Sounds good to me.
I have always wanted to see bots make an appearance in Halo, but I just don’t see it happening any time soon. Player movement in halo can be very complex, and I just don’t think a bot can replicate that human element very well.
I’d be very interested in seeing 343i take a stab at this concept tho. If not now, than at least in a future instalment.
that would be awesome!
> I have always wanted to see bots make an appearance in Halo, but I just don’t see it happening any time soon. Player movement in halo can be very complex, and I just don’t think a bot can replicate that human element very well.
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> I’d be very interested in seeing 343i take a stab at this concept tho. If not now, than at least in a future instalment.
Agreed, You can easily hide from the bots.
I have a friend who has Call of Duty Black ops which has bots. Those things can not climb over ledges. They can climb ladders but there are hiding spots where there is only one way to get there. The only thing bots would be useful for is target practice.
They’re not intelligent. They won’t understand the rules of custom games nearly as well as a human might.
They take time/money to develop when that effort could be better spent elsewhere, like game mechanics, visuals, sound fx, etc.
I’d argue Bots are as much against Halo as any other item you can throw out there. Halo multiplayer has always been a social experience. I hope that never changes. Halo is about facing others, not mindless drones. I say leave it to firefight/ops/campgaign.
> They’re not intelligent. They won’t understand the rules of custom games nearly as well as a human might.
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> They take time/money to develop when that effort could be better spent elsewhere, like game mechanics, visuals, sound fx, etc.
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> I’d argue Bots are as much against Halo as any other item you can throw out there. Halo multiplayer has always been a social experience. I hope that never changes. Halo is about facing others, not mindless drones. I say leave it to firefight/ops/campgaign.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with bots for custom games. A game being supposedly “social” is hardly a reason to be against such a feature. If matchmaking was down for some reason, or if a player simply doesn’t have XBL Gold, bots would allow players to at least get a taste of multiplayer. It would allow newer players to get more acquainted with the game before hopping online to play veterans. Then there’s the simple fact that not everyone is a social gamer.
I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots who have experience with that type of game play?
> I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots who have experience with that type of game play?
Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.
I’ve always liked the idea of introducing bots into Halo. It’s not always possible to get a group of friends to play customs testing out maps and skill jumps, plus it’s not so great trying it solo. You really need that little bit of pressure.
It wouldn’t hurt anyone to add it, I can only think of benefits really. The major one being parents that play with their kids or let their kids play on their account. Quick search of the forums will show the banhammer being brought on some folk because their kid didn’t kill anyone in a few matches.
Simple, give them some bots to mess around with they can shoot at. Agreeing with the others that have posted, it can be a great way of getting new players used to the controls and maps before they jump into MM 
> > I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> > My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots <mark>who have experience with that type of game play</mark>?
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> Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, <mark>but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.</mark>
I understand and have read every ones ‘reasons’ for inclusion of bots. I understand the benefits people keep suggesting. But I want to hear from people that have experience with playing games with bots. I did not find it rewarding, I did not find it helpful for match making introduction, I did not find it as a good form of practice, and I did not find it enjoyable. Those who do, please explain how much time you’ve spent with it, and why you enjoy the inclusion of bots match making?!
Don’t let the compectitve community see this thread they’ll tear ya’ll apart…
> > > I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> > > My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots <mark>who have experience with that type of game play</mark>?
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> > Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, <mark>but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.</mark>
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> I understand and have read every ones ‘reasons’ for inclusion of bots. I understand the benefits people keep suggesting. But I want to hear from people that have experience with playing games with bots. I did not find it rewarding, I did not find it helpful for match making introduction, I did not find it as a good form of practice, and I did not find it enjoyable. Those who do, please explain how much time you’ve spent with it, and why you enjoy the inclusion of bots match making?!
Agreed, beating a non thinking drone that does know the concept of strategy is far less rewarding than an actual human who can think and form strategies.
The Bots in Black Ops could only do certain basic things but even then they blindly run into obvious trap areas.
Of course so do many actual gamers and most of those are new to the game in the first place. Over time they obviously will develop tactical awareness (Hopefully) but bots are basically incapable of learning.
> > > I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> > > My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots <mark>who have experience with that type of game play</mark>?
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> > Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, <mark>but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.</mark>
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> I understand and have read every ones ‘reasons’ for inclusion of bots. I understand the benefits people keep suggesting. But I want to hear from people that have experience with playing games with bots. I did not find it rewarding, I did not find it helpful for match making introduction, I did not find it as a good form of practice, and I did not find it enjoyable. Those who do, please explain how much time you’ve spent with it, and why you enjoy the inclusion of bots match making?!
I’ve played Basic Training in Black Ops, Squad Mode in Ghosts, and Brink. And even though I can’t really say I that I had a blast playing with bots, I did find them beneficial for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
> > > > I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> > > > My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots <mark>who have experience with that type of game play</mark>?
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> > > Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, <mark>but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.</mark>
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> > I understand and have read every ones ‘reasons’ for inclusion of bots. I understand the benefits people keep suggesting. But I want to hear from people that have experience with playing games with bots. I did not find it rewarding, I did not find it helpful for match making introduction, I did not find it as a good form of practice, and I did not find it enjoyable. Those who do, please explain how much time you’ve spent with it, and why you enjoy the inclusion of bots match making?!
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> I’ve played Basic Training in Black Ops, Squad Mode in Ghosts, and Brink. And even though I can’t really say I that I had a blast playing with bots, I did find them beneficial for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
As in target practice right? That is basically what the bots in Call of Duty are good for in fact that is what bots in Halo will be good for and they probably will not be allowed to drive vehicles due to how the A.I. in Halo tend to drive. In fact the fact that there are drivable vehicles is probably why we should not have bots because if they are able to drive they will probably drive themselves off cliffs all the time.
Spartan Ops / Firefight has bots.
Spartan Ops / Firefight is MP play (just a different gametype).
All the OP is asking for - essentially - is to extend the use of bots in CUSTOM games to gametypes other than Spartan Ops.
So as long as it does not take away development time from other, more critical gaming aspects, why not?
> > > > > I’d argue that bots are an unnecessary addition to match making games. Having experienced the bots from CoD the novelty runs out quick, like 2 games quick. I understand OP you go a month out of the year without internet connection, I suggest you just save the single player campaign for that month and use the other 11 months to play match making.
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> > > > > My question for others who think that this is a good idea, how much experience do you have with bots in match making? I’ve sampled it in CoD and I felt it was highly boring, but I’m curious to others opinions on bots <mark>who have experience with that type of game play</mark>?
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> > > > Look at my post above you. Of course facing off against bots won’t be as exciting or rewarding as facing off against human players, <mark>but bots can still be beneficial in plenty of instances.</mark>
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> > > I understand and have read every ones ‘reasons’ for inclusion of bots. I understand the benefits people keep suggesting. But I want to hear from people that have experience with playing games with bots. I did not find it rewarding, I did not find it helpful for match making introduction, I did not find it as a good form of practice, and I did not find it enjoyable. Those who do, please explain how much time you’ve spent with it, and why you enjoy the inclusion of bots match making?!
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> > I’ve played Basic Training in Black Ops, Squad Mode in Ghosts, and Brink. And even though I can’t really say I that I had a blast playing with bots, I did find them beneficial for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
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> As in target practice right? That is basically what the bots in Call of Duty are good for in fact that is what bots in Halo will be good for and they probably will not be allowed to drive vehicles due to how the A.I. in Halo tend to drive. In fact the fact that there are drivable vehicles is probably why we should not have bots because if they are able to drive they will probably drive themselves off cliffs all the time.
Your argument is assuming that 343 won’t improve AI. With the supposed power of the Xbox One and the cloud, I don’t see why they wouldn’t, especially since it is an oft requested improvement.
> I’ve played Basic Training in Black Ops, Squad Mode in Ghosts, and Brink. And even though <mark>I can’t really say I that I had a blast playing with bots,</mark> I did find them beneficial for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
That right there is my whole point. Why include a mode that isn’t fun. Yes there are benefits that you keep listing, but you didn’t have fun doing it. Why include a mode you already know and find to not be fun in the small chance that a new customer/gamer comes to H5. You can’t sit there and claim that person will find the inclusion of bots an enjoyable experience, especially if they’re anything like you or I they will find playing against bots not very fun. So why include the option when you and I already know it’s not a blast to play?
I heavily support this. In fact, my #1 and only real complaint about the Halo series has been the lack of bot players in custom games.
Having been a Halo fan since 2005, I was unable to afford xbox live until a few short months before Halo 4’s 2012 release. And the LAN group that had introduced me to the series had completely dispersed by 2008. Having been home schooled out in rural country, I didn’t have access to anyone to play Halo with, and my family didn’t play it either.
That is a LONG time to repeatedly play the campaigns of Halo, when I really wanted to practice my MP skills, such as my shot on moving player hitboxes and map knowledge, skill jumps, and pickup timing.
As a competitive player striving to perhaps go pro someday, my progress is hindered by the fact that I still have to spend over 50% of my gaming time offline.
Trying to practice your MP skills offline by yourself SUCKS. There is nothing to put pressure on you while you practice skill jumps and pickup timing, and nothing to practice your shot and strafes on since there are no actual moving player hitboxes. The campaign enemies are not the same for target practice.
Obviously bots are dumb compared to good players, so outsmarting them is easy, but I hate having to play offline for a few days and then have my shot be extremely rusty when I get back online. Having to warm up my shot again slows my ability to practice other skills that can’t be practiced against AI bots, especially when it comes to strategy.
But the #1 reason I want bots is to keep my shot up to par when I’m offline. And then to put pressure on me while I practice skill jumps.
Gears of War 2 and 3 have bots and it works great, I can practice against the bots and then play against players with more confidence since I know my shot is up to par. I want to do the same thing with Halo.
Bots DON’T have to be in matchmaking, only custom games ( offline or online ). I can also understand that they would not work on forge maps. BUT, surely, some basic pathfinding could be applied to objects such as crates, gravity lifts, and weapons placements, so we can play bots on slightly adjusted default maps such as V5 Haven and MM Adrift. I would not expect to play bots on completely forged maps such as Simplex.
Good debating,
- SMARTAN 427
> > I’ve played Basic Training in Black Ops, Squad Mode in Ghosts, and Brink. And even though <mark>I can’t really say I that I had a blast playing with bots,</mark> I did find them beneficial for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.
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> That right there is my whole point. Why include a mode that isn’t fun. Yes there are benefits that you keep listing, but you didn’t have fun doing it. Why include a mode you already know and find to not be fun in the small chance that a new customer/gamer comes to H5. You can’t sit there and claim that person will find the inclusion of bots an enjoyable experience, especially if they’re anything like you or I they will find playing against bots not very fun. So why include the option when you and I already know it’s not a blast to play?
For the reasons I just mentioned. Lack of friends, matchmaking down, wanting to fill empty slots, practice before hopping online…
There is no downside other than the fact that fighting bots is not as fun as fighting humans.