343 have gotten a lot of things wrong with Infinite’s launch. But this is hardly messed up. It’s just something that slipped through Q&A.
What is with the hyperbole today?
There are still plenty of things to get upset about. This is not one of them.
Who’d of thought someone would literally play a month of bot games and then jump straight into ranked.
And besides - apart from the OP who is it actually affecting?
I’m not sure anyone else would really want to do it. You’d just be thrown to wolves of high Onyx players and keep losing until TrueSkill brings you back to your proper level. I’d give it 25 games or so before it lost confidence in your rank (depending on how many bot games you played).
I mean, it’s not just OP its impacted. I’ve had it mess with my MMR when I was trying to do the battlepass. I just did as many Bot matches as I could do in an hour, and did this for maybe a week or two, while also doing some other matches in between. And until I stopped quick play was miserable. Other people have reported similar problems. And honestly, I don’t even know why MMR is enabled in Bot Bootcamp. Yeah, some players are better than others, but you’re always going to win Bot Bootcamp unless your try to lose. Why does it matter what rank players you get put with?
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn’t just happen to people who only play bot matches. It happens to anyone who plays enough bot matches. Which is more people than you might think considering how quickly you can do the pass using bot matches. Maybe that’s still something they didn’t consider. I can accept that if it’s true. But once they know it, I hope they simply disable MMR against bots. It’s not like it’s necessary for the game type.
Well then. So if I go into playlists I’m actually proficient in but hurt your MMR like FFA and Fiesta and SWAT I can go back into ranked and actually face other low golds like me and fix my CSR at least.
Yeah it’s a bummer. I got to level 71 in my BP but my determination fizzled out when I couldn’t get on an equal footing with my opponents in regular matchmaking since I was finally getting sick of bot matches.
That’s a shame, I was informed by another player about that particular account after having made my post. I saw it for myself on Halo Tracker, but didn’t have the foresight to take screenshots.
I think you’re missing the point of all this. My post along with the testimony of others within the comments shows this to be a widespread issue. Forget ‘Bot Bootcamp’ for a moment and think about what took place for my situation to occur.
This proves that MMR effects EVERYTHING across the board and as a result means that ANYTHING can be manipulated if a single playlist is essentially sacrificed to obtain it. This is another form of cheating; plan and simple and made possible through development flaws. It’s a huge issue to be sure and it deserves attention as such.
Enough for that individual to reach 2200+ Onyx without deserving it.
I never said it was, but it is a problem on Halo.
You’re missing the point of integrity and what this franchise stands for. It’s about the legacy and the competence and skill this title asks of it’s players concerning the competitive scene.
That isn’t to say we should just give up… Yes, there are exploits and yes there may always be exploits to an extent; though that doesn’t mean we stop trying to uphold a fair system.
Games are being plagued with third party cheats now more than ever, some of which have realized a massive loss of player base as a result. But this, this is an internal issue made possible by oversight in development and it posses problems just as prevalent as third party cheats, dysenc, server connection, etc… if not more so.
I couldn’t disagree more…
Call it a difference of opinion or maybe you just simply don’t take part in the pride of bettering yourself as a player in-game; all while having your stats reflect that as a result and never having it brought into question due to a lack competitive integrity.
This is a problem bigger than you or myself, this effects everyone who plays.
Hang on I’m getting confused. Boosting or Smurfing?
The initial premise was that good form in bot matchmaking gave you a higher internal MMR than you wanted and you were given Onyx players in your -Yoink!- placement matches. This is literally the opposite of Smurfing.
I agree it shouldn’t have happened. But I can see how it slipped through to the keeper. One of those genuinely unforseable events…
Then I thought we were talking about another Player "“Asualtz”. Who is 2200+ in Onyx and then Smurfed himself a lower MMR in SWAT and ended up playing vs Gold players. This is something players have been doing for years (across a lot of games).
Or are you saying he cheated his way to 2200+ with bot matchmaking and is now playing his actual rank in SWAT?
Or are we arguing that a player couldn’t have different MMR’s across different playlists? You certainly should. I know for a fact my skill level in SWAT or FFA is way below my ability in Team Slayer (what can I say, I’m a team player).
Or maybe, just maybe, he really isn’t that good at head shots. Maybe he has a crew he runs Ranked with who carried him to the dizzying heights of 2200+… but then hits up randoms in SWAT.
Sorry if I’ve read something wrong.
I have more pride in bettering myself than I care to admit. I’m only average but I have put in a lot of work over the last 12 months to get from Gold to Diamond. A lot of games, tutorials, and self reflection.
And I find TrueSkill2 fascinating.
But I don’t think the MMR can give you the satisfaction you are looking for. I think it was a huge mistake by 343 to make it a badge to pin to your chest.
Just to be clear. Are we talking about the Botcamp boosting or the playlist Smurfing.
I think the former is genuinely amusing. They should fix it… but it’s hardly a priority compared to those other issues.
I agree though, that the latter is a plague on the game. Whether it be playlist or account Smurfing. But the biggest tool to reducing it is actually TrueSkill2. Because it will re-rank you very quickly and tends to resist quick de-ranking.
Developers (of many games) have been trying to address this for years. Specifically blaming 343 for an industry wide problem is a tad unfair.
Oh I’m sure you’re right. But that’s what makes the feedback so much more important. If the issue is they weren’t thinking about it, then let them know, and they can do something about it. It’s a totally innocent mistake that is fixable.
So, my buddy and I are starting an experiment on new accounts. We will strictly play only social for a month and track all of our kda, ball time, flag steals, game mode, etc. The stats that are important towards MMR in those matches. After a month we are going to enter ranked for the first time for our placement matches. We will track all of those in an excel chart to share.
I’ve decided instead of just complaining about this week in and out. I will now instead do the best research I can to try to get everyone a better understanding.
I’ve never seen something like this happen in ranked play of a franchise so loved. 
Not going to play bots
