For the past month I’ve been playing Bot Bootcamp to quickly earn the 1000 exp from the daily 6 matches. Not having played a single PvP match on my account, I simply logged in; got my easy Battle Pass tier on PvE and logged out.
Today… I decided to qualify solo for ranked.
My experience is as follows:
First game matched against a Onyx Team of 1600-2200csr
Strongholds 106-250 Loss
Same team 1600-2200csr
Strongholds 55-250 Loss
1600-1800csr ( IllIIIIllI1 is a cheater)
Slayer 31-50 Loss
Same team 1600-1800csr
Slayer 26-50 Loss
Same team/Same cheater 1600-1800csr
Oddball 14-199 Loss
You catch my drift… all this while unranked and having no prior history of playing a single PvP match!
I kept playing in complete disbelief. Thinking that surely once I’m “qualified” the algorithm will sort itself out. That all will be right in the world of skill based match making once again, but that’s not the reality I live in.
For the next 5 matches it was the same Ol’story, I placed Diamond 1 and tried my luck an 11th time. Keeping my fingers crossed hoping not to be unfairly punished and farmed for more comfy K/Ds… I joined another lobby. Only to be tossed in against a 1800-2000csr team AGAIN!
So here’s the deal… the MMR from Bot Bootcamp has my overall KDA at a whopping 23.0KDA with a total of 180 Wins, making my Win loss ratio 94.2% and as a result forces me into high tier lobbies no matter the playlist. The 180 wins are all Bot Lobbies and my 11 losses are all in ranked.
Halo is quite literally unplayable for me because of this. Due to it matching me with disproportionately unfair players with higher skill sets than my own.
I ask that everyone comment and upvote this post to help it get the attention it deserves or if you’re able to forward this to someone capable of getting it to the right hands it’d be greatly appreciated, thank you.
Here my profile on halotracker to see for yourself: https://halotracker.com/halo-infinite/profile/xbl/Fabled%20Fella/overview?experience=overall
343 and their infinite… pun intended… wisdom, decided that social MMR should stack on-top of your ranked MMR. To make matters worse, there isn’t any MMR restriction, and social MMR is completely busted. I sweat harder there, than in ranked. If what you say is true about bot bootcamp, and they still do that… that’s not cash.
The way I see how the SBMM functions is: It takes 1 or 2 good players from the search pool. divides them evenly… then just tosses you lesser skilled players… essentially turning it into a 1v1 on who can slay more. Or… it just decides… oh? you won this match? Here is a 4 stack 1800+ onyx team. Social or Ranked.
People like to ‘praise’ SBMM but all it does it make horrible matches. For the good, and lesser players.
WHOA! I’m looking through your games on halo tracker and this is absolutely crazy. You need to report this!
Clearly the ranked matchmaking system is matching you based on your hidden MMR from what you did with bots – which to me indicates a deeper problem overall: that a player’s public CSR rank / rating can be DRAMATICALLY off from what their hidden MMR is, simply because of what they’ve done elsewhere in other playlists. This makes the visible rank in the ranked playlist absolutely meaningless, and also contributes to uneven matches since other playlists can be less competitive / much easier.
This. This makes a lot of sense. I do a lot of bot matches then find myself getting stomped in matchmaking against players that clearly outrank me. I haven’t bothered to play ranked in a while and actaully look up the ranks of my opponents. But I can only assume that this was the case. Especially when I played with friends of far higher skill than me even they would get stomped because my MMR is inflating our fireteams rank?
Well jeez - Guess I’ll just go lose a bunch of bot games, then play ranked.
Good way to artificially increase visual rank to onyx 2500
Edit: The reason you’d purposely lose in bot games is to decrease hidden MMR. You then join a ranked game where your visual rank is onyx. You match against gold/plat, kick their butt, and then your rank artificially increased visually.
As I said, they need to keep SOCIAL AND RANKED SEPERATE. It’s imbecilic to join them. I am onyx 1517 right now. I am fighting people in 1800-2000+ onyx range… or fighting people wellllllllll above my skill level.
I mind as well not even play social because it’s just gonna skew my freaking hidden ‘mmr’.
It should never gage a players skill facing bots and reflect it into the first matches in ranked. That’s beyond broken right there. Bots just do not emulate human behavior no matter how hard they try. It needs to scale on its own in each playlist in those placement matches and then there can be some variation until it gages how far below or above its estimation the player really is and serve matches to regulate Too many lopsided wins but still ensure challenging matches to allow growth.
What surprises me the most though is that in this players match history we see a swing of performances pretty wide. Like dude to even have any damage and kills against players 1800s, 1900z, 2000s…like you’d expect 0 kills every game from someone who doesn’t know how to play the game. I read there was a cheater in a few of the matches, and i did note the tough ones with rough stats, but to even just see 1 game where there’s decent damage considering how far the gap is indicates the player has skill above average.
I’m curious to see what 1 win would pay out, and what the process on a new account would be with 0 bot matches and 20 games of ranked. The matches have such a higher average mmr for the other team its crazy. If you’re actually getting damage and kills in a lobby of a 2000s player tho, like right off that bat I’d say you’re an above average player, but those matches are still beyond the players capabilities and that of which the team consists of perhaps, and to just consistently serve them up is insanity, and any player would want to quit the game.
Its funny to see that his second game inhad suddoth in it. Lol
Yeah, I don’t know what to make of it all. I’m just astonished the discrepancies of visible CSR – and what must be the insanely high MMR of Fabled Fella’s underneath. That top match for example: the collective CSR of the opposing team is significantly higher than the Onyx players on Fabled Fella’s team. There’s one 1800, but the other two are 15k and 16k. The only way that makes sense to me is if Fabled’s MMR is just ridiculously off the charts for an unranked / D1 player, and the visible CSR is just meaningless.
And then Im also seeing they’re never on the same team, meaning they are most likely solo queuing and the system thinks this is fair. Raises huge questions for me now anytime I’m going into a ranked match as a D5 with Gold, Silver, Unranked etc.
This exposes what happens when the MMR system is only based on KDA. Hence why objective in the arena is becoming almost broken. You need a ranked team slayer under these parameters. This allows highly skilled offensive players the chance to focus on stat patting. Adding slayer allows ranked arena to play in the way it was intended. That would be my bare minimum to help this. A true fix would mean a larger standard boost for any win…
My question would now be whether or not a player could drastically lower their MMR in Bot Bootcamp (or an easier playlist) by intentional, consecutive losses (say 100 matches) each with a terrible KDA, then go back into a ranked playlist to boost their visible CSR rank to Onyx since they are suddenly playing and matching opponents at a lower MMR. Just doesn’t seem right if this is possible and why I think MMR from other playlists should have nothing to do with ranked. Your CSR in ranked should reflect / accurately match your skill level, not MMR from something else.
sorry to have matched you. on your 2nd game.
Ive also noticed if you have high MMR you get worse teammates.
try to run Ranked in 2’s or 4s. weird that it matched you with all onyx players for your placement matches. I would assume you placed diamond 1 as well.