who’s bright idea was it to change the spawn points for bosses in regular warzone.
on maps like Noctus and Stormbreak, the old system was perfect. The bosses spawned in a location where both teams had a chance at them, but map control gave the stronger team an advantage.
Now, we have the bosses spawning inside the key control point!? What lunacy is this? On these two maps, bosses can spawn in the monument and fortress, respectively. The team controlling that key point, which should be to there benefit, is now spawn-camped/trolled by the AI. Don’t even get me started on Sanctum. That map is so horrid I restart my halo every time it comes up at the game loading screen.
in literally every situation I have played these maps with these spawns, the team controlling the point and in the lead at time of boss spawning ultimately LOSES the game as they are forced out of that base and lose the leverage on the boss.
leave it to 343 to screw up something that actually worked just fine previously.
Had a game in Noctus where we gained the monument even though our -Yoinks!- were being kicked. The Grunt Goblin spawned and was mainly jumping around inside the monument. Even though the other team put up a good fight we easily had the advantage.
Speaking of bosses i put 3 spartan laser shots into a Goblin on ARC, did peanuts in damage. smh.
every game i played so far no one even tried to kill the mythic bosses. pretty much if they see you youre -Yoink!-
There should be more than 3 bases.
The Boss Refresh is fine. We get more variety in the bosses and the point distribution is much better. I’ve had no problems with the new spawn locations either.
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> The Boss Refresh is fine. We get more variety in the bosses and the point distribution is much better. I’ve had no problems with the new spawn locations either.
How can u even deny that there is an issue?
The 2 mantis bosses on Battle of Noctus are pretty tank, a lot more than Lord Viridus on Skirmish at Darkstar pre firefight patch. All those knights and splinter turret soldiers make the monument kinda bad to hold.
Personally I don’t like the change. Two wardens on Noctus meant that one garage would be more advantageous at a certain time, that bring the north garage for the first warden then later on it would be the sough garage for the last warden.
Games also feel longer because legendary bosses give 100 as oppose to 150. Would be better if it was 125. Now holding bases is more important and lately I don’t see bases switch much as either side spam shotguns, scattershot, swords and hammers because turtling is better than risking yourself for only 100 points from a legendary.
I’ve seen the opposite. Random spawns is creating much more movement across the maps making it easier to grab bases.
I agree about bosses spawning inside the monument (haven’t played Stormbreak since the refresh) it turns into a blood bath where tactics fly out of the window.
On a whole I’m loving the update.
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Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
What we have now is much better than before.
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> Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
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> Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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> What we have now is much better than before.
Mmmkay. Well then let me know about your different opinions when the grunt goblin spawns inside the monument your holding while two covenant airships constantly circle you for the rest of the match.
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> > Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
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> > Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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> Mmmkay. Well then let me know about your different opinions when the grunt goblin spawns inside the monument your holding while two covenant airships constantly circle you for the rest of the match.
Can that actually happen? I’ve only had a Grunt Jockey on Apex 7 in normal Warzone and he took five or so minutes to kill even with both teams attacking him constantly. I assume the Phantoms come with the mythic version?
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> > Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
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> > Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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> > What we have now is much better than before.
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> Mmmkay. Well then let me know about your different opinions when the grunt goblin spawns inside the monument your holding while two covenant airships constantly circle you for the rest of the match.
That’s not to say a few encounters couldn’t use some rebalancing. Perhaps if Mr Balaho was more vulnerable in close quarters (but still can’t board him) there would be less instances of Monument turning into a gulch of blood. I’ve honestly just stayed out Of his way for safety, maybe pumping DMR rounds into him but I never go close.
Gotta say though, I’m LOVING the new variety. It’s a lot more fun when like MonkeyMoo said 4 enemy teammates aren’t just waiting to assassinate the enemy elite when he spawns.
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> > > Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
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> > > Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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It sure can and yes it does. Which is the actual reason for this post. Overall, I love the boss refresh. But there are a few scenarios that seem to happen too frequently that are completely imbalanced. The only coping strategy I’ve found is to actually abandon the monument and spawn at home base. It seems rather counter intuitive that you should actually abandon a key point to have a chance at winning.
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> > > > Gee, I don’t know. Because different people have different opinions? Because the experience will differ from person to person. match to match?
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> > > > Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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> It sure can and yes it does. Which is the actual reason for this post. Overall, I love the boss refresh. But there are a few scenarios that seem to happen too frequently that are completely imbalanced. The only coping strategy I’ve found is to actually abandon the monument and spawn at home base. It seems rather counter intuitive that you should actually abandon a key point to have a chance at winning.
I’ve found spawning at home base to be better even before the boss refresh on Noctus. It’s safer and off to the side vs in the middle of all the sniper fire.
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> > > > Like I said, I haven’t had any problems with the new spawn locations and not knowing what bosses will spawn means you won’t have four people waiting to assassinate the elite or soldier bosses for the easy points.
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> It sure can and yes it does. Which is the actual reason for this post. Overall, I love the boss refresh. But there are a few scenarios that seem to happen too frequently that are completely imbalanced. The only coping strategy I’ve found is to actually abandon the monument and spawn at home base. It seems rather counter intuitive that you should actually abandon a key point to have a chance at winning.
I don’t see the issue with that. It adds some variety to the gameplay. You can either abandon the point and increase your strength elsewhere, or you can put all of your guys into one spot to take out the boss.
Plus, if the boss spawns inside the Monument, the other team may be at a disadvantage for the boss, but since you’re focusing on it, they have better odds at capturing the other bases. It all works out in the end.
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> The Boss Refresh is fine. We get more variety in the bosses and the point distribution is much better. I’ve had no problems with the new spawn locations either.
I sure have. My team was neck to neck with the other team, we were going to win until the mythic knight decided to spawn literally in the monument. How is that much better!? The game was literally handed to the other team…
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> who’s bright idea was it to change the spawn points for bosses in regular warzone.
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> on maps like Noctus and Stormbreak, the old system was perfect. The bosses spawned in a location where both teams had a chance at them, but map control gave the stronger team an advantage.
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> Now, we have the bosses spawning inside the key control point!? What lunacy is this? On these two maps, bosses can spawn in the monument and fortress, respectively. The team controlling that key point, which should be to there benefit, is now spawn-camped/trolled by the AI. Don’t even get me started on Sanctum. That map is so horrid I restart my halo every time it comes up at the game loading screen.
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> in literally every situation I have played these maps with these spawns, the team controlling the point and in the lead at time of boss spawning ultimately LOSES the game as they are forced out of that base and lose the leverage on the boss.
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> leave it to 343 to screw up something that actually worked just fine previously.
Thank you for the kind feedback.
Noctus was definitely a much more experimental map where I wanted to see what it would feel like with a more even split of bosses on each side of the map with a grand finale in the middle. It is feedback I’m monitoring closely.
Stormbreak is the same as it always was except instead of Legendary boss spawning in the Fortress it is now a 25 point boss. If there is another boss you are referring to I am interested in which one that would be.
I hope the rest of Warzone is fun for you.
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> > on maps like Noctus and Stormbreak, the old system was perfect. The bosses spawned in a location where both teams had a chance at them, but map control gave the stronger team an advantage.
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> > Now, we have the bosses spawning inside the key control point!? What lunacy is this? On these two maps, bosses can spawn in the monument and fortress, respectively. The team controlling that key point, which should be to there benefit, is now spawn-camped/trolled by the AI. Don’t even get me started on Sanctum. That map is so horrid I restart my halo every time it comes up at the game loading screen.
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> > in literally every situation I have played these maps with these spawns, the team controlling the point and in the lead at time of boss spawning ultimately LOSES the game as they are forced out of that base and lose the leverage on the boss.
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> Thank you for the kind feedback.
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> Noctus was definitely a much more experimental map where I wanted to see what it would feel like with a more even split of bosses on each side of the map with a grand finale in the middle. It is feedback I’m monitoring closely.
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> Stormbreak is the same as it always was except instead of Legendary boss spawning in the Fortress it is now a 25 point boss. If there is another boss you are referring to I am interested in which one that would be.
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> I hope the rest of Warzone is fun for you.
Wasn’t expecting a 343 response. I kinda feel like an a-hole now lol.
thanks for the feedback. I do like the variety and change of pace for sure, it just seemed like some of these situations were insurmountable.
Sorry for for being a jerk, thanks for the response.
The AI is no longer a massive push over, I’m all for it!