Bob Ross was all about happy trees. We're more like happy wildfires given how split we are as a community right now

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For God’s sake before half of you come in here and complain and the other half to provide personal experiences, I want to say right now that I am NOT making this post for the sake of making another flame war of a topic in forums.

I am here to ask what the cause of all this dissent is, in a civil and respectful manner. If you guys don’t agree with each other, please don’t go and trash the hell out of whoever you disagree with because of what they said. Talk to them, try to understand their point of view, or try to get your POV across to them. But don’t force it on them.

It breaks my heart to see a community I’ve loved for years fall apart in what feels like a minute. Am I happy with 343 right now? Not even close. Am I satisfied with Infinite? Pass on that one. Do I miss the days where the community came together to create and share our love for the series? Yes, more than many people might realize somebody is capable of. I get it, 343 has made some really poor choices, and we’re mad. We’re taking to the forums, making our voices heard. But I’ve seen too many topics closed within hours of each other due to the way people try to get their points across. And I’ve only seen it as bad as it is now on Infinite’s forums in particular. I was around back when H5 was on HWP and an integral part of forums, and I never saw anything like this.

I know you’re mad, I know you feel cheated and mislead, because I do too. But we’ll never get through to them if we’re too busy trying to fight each other in the forums and burning all our bridges before we can even start to build them. This isn’t the way to be heard, guys. I get it, some of us don’t care about body types or armor variety. Some of us don’t care about the store prices. Some of us don’t care about the guns/modes so far. But many of us do. And the issue is we’ve become so focused on this mindset of we can only have one or the other, not both. But we can. It’s just not going to happen with the way we’re acting. If you want change, tell it to 343, not your fellow players. They don’t deserve your anger. We all have opinions and they all deserve to be heard, no matter how controversial or unpopular they may be. Just stop burning each other every time you make a post to answer with. We’re getting nowhere, and I can no longer remain silent about this.

Speak up, but do so respectfully.
Share your opinions, but do so with civility.
Debate with others, but do so in a way which won’t make your grandmother roll over in her grave at the way matters are discussed.

We’re an incredible community, which is why I’m begging you to see that side of us once more, and to remember what it takes to act like it.

Please. Do it for each other, if not for me. We all deserve that much.

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Well, it’s 2022 and we’re more politically stratified globally than ever before without a worldwide conflict. There’s a global pandemic that’s been going on for two years, everyone’s overworked and at the end of the day, we’re all looking for an escape, for leisure, for joy - and we look to a franchise that we know makes us happy… and as a community, is not doing so. So, we’re mad at it - some more than others. So we take it out on moderators, staff, and each other, because many of us feel and are powerless to actually change anything.

It’s brutal.

A lot of good ones too, I feel like those get overlooked!

We certainly can do so and we should - act civilly towards each other, that is.

For what it’s worth, 2020 taught me something important. It is not each other we need to yell at, it’s the men upstairs.

And frankly, it’s not 343i. It’s definitely Microsoft. 343i has shown quite a bit of solidarity on Social Media about things they dislike as well as we do. Even Moderators quietly voice frustrations and concerns.

The developers are unhappy. We’re placing the blame in the wrong place.

We’ll never get it to the right place, if we can’t stop tearing out each other’s throats over trivial things. I can barely openly exist the way I do here, without getting my throat ripped out for it. T’aint right.

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Uhhh yeah I agree trolling and toxic behaviour is not good. Most people know that and most people aren’t doing that. What I’ve seen on here is mostly people, myself included, being constructive. So, this comes off as melodramatic and kind of patronizing and self-important tbh.

No idea who you are mate. “Leave Brittany alone! Do it for me.” Lol.

But yeah I agree with your overall point so I’ll continue to already be doing that like most people on here.

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They’re just someone who’s tired is all. Tired and wants to see folks do better.

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Pretty sure in the rules it says to stay civil. Some just forget that sometimes.

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Yeah well I can relate to that. I’ve been tired since Halo 4 lol.

Just to clarify, I really do agree with the point the OP is making. And I agree many of the issues with Infinite is Microsoft’s fault not 343i’s. And I agree that we should realise we’re all on the same team.

But I’m saying keep perspective. Don’t let the negative minority get you down and then start painting everyone with the same brush when, all things considered, generally the fans have shown immense patience. And also don’t be too quick to write off those people as simply negative like “Uh oh there’s an evil person.” Chances are they’re just angry but care and want Halo and 343i to do better and succeed.

On a side note I’ve been quite impressed with the mod team and 343i regarding allowing candid criticism and venting of grievances. I’ve only been seeing moderation when it’s needed.

P.S. Bob Ross seemed like a nice guy. But we can’t all be Bob Ross at least not all the time. Even Bob Ross probably couldn’t be Bob Ross all the time lol.

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The glaring problem that people refuse to admit is that Halo 5 was and is still a good game. A LOT of things are different now and for the worse. This is splitting a lot of us up because some people love warzone. Some people love breakout and some even like the campaign enough to where they wanted blue team back.

Blame 343 for making 3 totally different games from eachother and now everyone is spilt in what they like because there are so many features between all of 343 games

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@Globex_Silenced First off, I will say that the internet has always had a plethora of ‘rude’ people; as ‘King Solomon’ once said: “There is nothing new under the sun.” Dissent isn’t necessarily a bad thing when it can be articulated in a concise and constructive way. What I feel you’re taking umbrage with, is the manner in which people convey their thoughts, or what humanity has become ‘as a whole’ in the year 2022 (a marked increase in petulance).

People by and large have shorter attention spans than in years past due to the prevalence of social media and easy access to relaying their thoughts ‘24/7’ which has led to an increase in narcissism. Anonymity can also lead to a rapid deterioration in ‘discussion quality’, as people tend to derail threads more often or troll incessantly when their real identities are hidden (a lack of personal accountability).

There is far more awkwardness and less social etiquette among the general population overall; quite a few people lack the ability to argue their points without resorting to belittling, condescending, or demeaning attitudes (or they wrongly feel it gives weight to their opinions, when in actuality it doesn’t).

So you’ve got an amalgamation of social issues that both predate this forum and perpetuate this phenomenon via external forces. The ‘Ouroboros’ isn’t going to stop eating its own tail anytime soon.

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I liked it a lot.

Yeah same! It’s been very nice.

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Or or or hear me out.

Halo infinite is one the worst video game releases in history and people are rightfully frustrated. Sure there has been some name calling here but over all I don’t see what your seeing. I see people upset over being lied to. Being lied to can stir up emotions that may not be normal to that person.

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That’s kinda’ hyperbole, it isn’t that bad. It ain’t the best but Halo 4 and 5 definitely released in way more disappointing states.

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It is that bad. Haven’t you seen the posts that praise the game and then right in the next paragraph they rip the game a new one? EVERYONE has something they don’t like about this game. Everyone. Not just a few. And it’s not like it’s being ripped into from one or two angles. It’s being ripped into from EVERY ANGLE. From the store to the customization. From the gameplay bugs to the lack of content. Every area of this game lacks in modes, features and settings. So yes. I would say it’s the worst. I know you see people other than me saying they enjoy Halo 5 more. I know you see people saying they play MCC more. Halo 4 and Halo 5 didn’t release this bad. Sure some might not like the content from the game itself but the product you got was far more of a product than what Infinite is

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The community had a small rift made with Reach.

343 decided that rather than stitch the rift, they should grab hold and violently rip it further apart with Halo 4.

Halo 5 made another canyon-sized divide.

Halo Infinite is finally starting to stitch it together… though without sanitized needles so we are getting an infection.

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What’s really sticthing it together tho?

Let’s really break it down.

Toned down artstyle to match classic but still modern.

The BR makes a grand return as the main competitive weapon.

There is a handful of classic weapons.

The campagin focus is on chief

Aside from the above what exactly have they done to stitch it back together? This is a serious question. I’m not trying to be over top and negative I just really want to know

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  • Soundtrack is back to Halo and not like it was in Halo 4 where the music sounded exactly like something else (Halo 4’s Composer Mission intro cutscene has STAR WARS OVERTURE MUSIC) and it isn’t generic and bland like Halo 5’s soundtrack.

  • Brian Reed was removed from the team.

  • Marines and Grunts are funny again

  • Equipment is in the game rather than Spartan Abilities like it was in Halo 5.

  • We are back to fighting covenant aliens instead of Prometheans.

  • We stepped away from Brian Reed’s fanfiction that was Halo 5 Guardians’ story, so Cortana and Chief didn’t have to be forced to fight each other because Brian Reed decided to end the story on that point and NO ONE IN THE DEV TEAM thought to stop him from making every mistake possible.

  • Boss battles are varied once again instead of “Here, fight The Warden Eternal AGAIN.”

If I can think up of any more I will add them below in an edit.

  • Not only is the story Chief centered again, but he is THE MASTER CHIEF AGAIN instead of Halo 5’s “Hi, we are blue team and our leader hit his head and saw a vision. Lets follow him on a journey of going against orders with minimal screen time.”
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Well spoken. In the end we all just want an enjoyable Halo experience. We want this franchise and game specifically the be the best game it can be. But it can only get there if we’re doing the best we can too.

It’s honestly pretty eye opening to see the often hushed and ignored statements by these figures. It’s subtle yet clear that they don’t want to be perceived as the villains when sometimes their actions will be taken as such.

Kinda sad.

I’d say the other issue is when some people try and force the appreciation of a title onto others. Halo 5, Halo Infinite, even Halo 4 and prior titles. Everyone likes it dislikes something for different reasons, understanding why and accepting this difference is perfectly ok.

It’s one thing to talk about one’s appreciation for a title, it’s another to tell someone they’re wrong for disliking a title and fighting them on it. Sometimes conversations get heated and turn into arguments, but in the end what someone appreciates might be something someone else hates, you can show them why you might like it, but you also have to accept why they might dislike it.

This has happened between us but it’s not exclusive to just us so just wanna point out that I’m not saying this to start a spat with you Cassette lol.

Halo 5 and Infinite might be two entirely different games, but that also doesn’t preclude the idea that Warzone or even Breakout can’t be introduced in some capacity as the game progresses. I may not have liked Halo 5, but it would kinda suck to see modes that players appreciated fall to the wayside. Breakout feels like it would fit well with some tuning and an eventual sandbox boost.

It’s kinda like the Firefight players getting the unfortunate shaft in Halo 5 when Warzone Firefight was their only recourse for enjoying the mode they loved. Hats off to 343i for attempting to fudge the game in a way that wasn’t meant to function as such, but it wasn’t really a fulfilling experience in the end, and it kinda sucks for fans of that mode to get left out.

In the end we all just want an enjoyable experience, I can’t fault anyone for that. I truly hope the Halo 5 community gets something that resembles the experience they loved within this title.

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Alright, I’ll bite.

It feels like Halo proper. There’s a lot of mystery to unravel, we’re on a Halo again, but it’s fresh, new, different. I like it. It’s nice. I like that Marines have properly come back, I like that The Banished’s various alien races… Feel right. I like that I’m actually FINALLY having actual FUN fighting Brutes, it is a genuine first. Everyone and everything looks amazing. The writing is really firm, the acting is exceptional - I don’t REALLY care about a focus on Chief, I’d prefer we don’t at this point.

I really like all of the characters, really, all of them. I think the weapon sandbox, while small, is really solid and well thought out. I like how good enemies feel to fight, I like how huge the open world actually is. I really enjoy how… Halo it feels. Their first REAL SHOT at an Open World and they absolutely crack it down and open, they did an incredible job.

It FEELS like the old Halo to me and that’s a first for 343i. From the art to the acting, to the world, it all feels so authentically Halo, even if it all feels… Just a LITTLE too safe. Not enough cool and weird Banished stuff from Halo Wars 2, for instance, y’know?

But gunplay wise, it’s phenomenal. No weapons feel absolutely broken. No equipment breaks the sandbox. MOST of the maps are good and Live Fire is an instant classic. The customization has the absolute POTENTIAL to be the best yet, ever. But we’re quite a ways away from that, in all actuality.

Out of every Halo game 343i has ever made, Halo: Infinite has the strongest foundation yet.

It’s just a little too safe though.

I really miss the Prometheans. I miss 343i’s cast of characters from before. I hope Lasky, Locke, Osiris, Blue Team, and so on, are all okay. (I know Blue team is as old as Halo: The Fall of Reach from 2001.) I want to know everyone’s okay.

and the plot hooks for the future are really good.

I especially want to know who this Agyrna chick is. She seems really cool.

It is. It really, really is.

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I’m REALLY hoping that they add in a DLC Campaign where she is searching for the UNSC Infinity and has to save Thomas Laskey. After all, she said she was leaving to find The Infinity at the end of The Academy.

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Oh yeah, we’ll go there soon.

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Music was garbage in infinite. I actually got the disc for Halo 5 because some of the tracks were that good. To me stiching Halo back together would be to rip the music straight from Halo 2 and halo 3. Every track.

This is just a random statement. No matter who was there, they had the possibility to create any story/game.

Subjective. I thought the grunts were funny in 5. However I do think there should’ve been more Marines in 5. Don’t really see this as much if a bandaid tho.

Another opinion. Because one the equipment isn’t the same as Halo 3. If it was exactly the same then you could make an argument that it’s stiching it back together.

Fighting brutes and aliens don’t feel the same with out all the classic weapons and sure the aliens might have a better desgin now but they dont look exactly the same as classic designs. A stitch to me would be Halo 3 artstyle through and through.

Halo infinite is a departure from Halo 5. Should’ve been a direct continuation. I’m not saying that the Cortna and cheif fighting us a good story. It’s not. However we are talking about a stitch and stiching back up the game would be to continue the story in a choessive story. I’m sure you seen people saying “why do I have to go to other mediums to learn the story”

This I agree with. I hated warden eternal

It should’ve been a blue team centered story. We only got 3 missions with them in halo 5 and its a massive let down that they didn’t have their own game. Halo 5 was a setup story. Not a full story. It was suppose to Segway into blue team taking main focus. Now the cutscenes and story are boring because there is no depth. People complain about to many characters being complicated but that’s what made it interesting. And comon. Who doesn’t want to see arbiter in action. He was a main character in halo 5 that should’ve made it’s way into the next Halo