I was thinking to myself how 343 could possibly go about fixing this whole BR or DMR war that rages and I thought to myself “Why not combine them into one weapon?”. Would it be so bad if the two UNSC rifles became the Battle Marksman Rifle and had the ability to switch modes of fire between semi-auto and burst fire by pressing something like right on the D-pad? Obviously it would have to be tested and balanced out but I think it’s an interesting approach to a solution and worth a try. I just definitely don’t want them to combine the weapons and make it burst fire un-scoped and semi-auto while scoped. We have the Light Rifle for that we don’t need another weapon like that. The version I’m presenting actually makes sense as a human weapon.
(I apologize if this has been brought elsewhere up but if so I haven’t found it and I thought a poll would be something worth looking into to help solve this war.)
> I was thinking to myself how 343 could possibly go about fixing this whole BR or DMR war that rages and I thought to myself “Why not combine them into one weapon?”. Would it be so bad if the two UNSC rifles became the Battle Marksman Rifle and had the ability to switch modes of fire between semi-auto and burst fire by pressing something like right on the D-pad? Obviously it would have to be tested and balanced out but I think it’s an interesting approach to a solution and worth a try. I just definitely don’t want them to combine the weapons and make it burst fire un-scoped and semi-auto while scoped. We have the Light Rifle for that we don’t need another weapon like that. The version I’m presenting actually makes sense as a human weapon.
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> (I apologize if this has been brought up but if so I haven’t found it and I thought a poll would be something worth looking into to help solve this war.)
Well two problems, really.
One: they both use different calibre’s
Two: an individual shot from the BR is extremely weak in the game, so weak that the AR is more powerful. It really wouldn’t make any sense at all.
And besides, the LightRifle can do it because its firing projectiles composed of pure energy. The DMR and BR use bullets.
Halo is set far into the future. Who’s to say we as a species haven’t figured out a solution to your different caliber point (technology could have advanced even farther since we’re now years after the war with the Covenant). On top of that Halo is not exactly the pinnacle of realism and that’s one of the things that makes the game so great. Also there are ways to balance them so that they work in their effective niches like 343 wants so badly. Smaller maps people would all use the burst fire like BR is made for and for long range shots you’d switch to semi-auto. If they’re going to let us start with both weapons anyway, why not make them into one?
No, keep them both. Having yet ANOTHER precision rifle would be incredibly redundant at this point. If you want a hybrid, you’ll just have to stick with the Lightrifle.
Why not create a new weapon that has both visual elements of both and a name to match? If they favored one over the other I feel like people would think one of the versions got better treatment then the other and therefore was intended for that one purpose. Meaning if it looked just like a BR and was named the BR, the DMR using community would feel like they were left out and just thrown to the side and incorporated as an afterthought to the BR users. Same goes for if it looked and was named the DMR.
> No, keep them both. Having yet ANOTHER precision rifle would be incredibly redundant at this point. If you want a hybrid, you’ll just have to stick with the Lightrifle.
This would actually take away some of the redundancy as there would in fact be one less precision rifle.
I stated what the Light Rifle does with its scoping system. While effectively the same in a sense, the BR and DMR are completely different beasts and established fan favorites that the community can’t seem to settle on which is better. I know from personal experience both the UNSC precision rifles can be effective from nearly all ranges no matter what their intended niche is. I was simply trying to explore a method to end the debate of which is better without taking one or the other out of the game and making one group angry. Also this is just an idea. The point of this is to discuss if anyone else thinks it could be an effective way to go about stopping the pointless bickering on what is essentially the same weapon in the first place.
Also I like using the BR’s burst fire while scoped and the DMR’s semi-auto shots without being scoped so the Light Rifle kind of takes away one if using the scope or not. I don’t think that needs to happen with this hybrid of the two.
> > No, keep them both. Having yet ANOTHER precision rifle would be incredibly redundant at this point. If you want a hybrid, you’ll just have to stick with the Lightrifle.
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> This would actually take away some of the redundancy as there would in fact be one less precision rifle.
Even if you took one out, I REALLY don’t think it’s needed at all. You need to think of this in terms of what this would add to the existing gameplay. It wouldn’t.
We now have 3 precision weapons in Halo 4 to use. IMAO, that’s a little too much. How much precisiony precision do we need?
> > > No, keep them both. Having yet ANOTHER precision rifle would be incredibly redundant at this point. If you want a hybrid, you’ll just have to stick with the Lightrifle.
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> > This would actually take away some of the redundancy as there would in fact be one less precision rifle.
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> Even if you took one out, I REALLY don’t think it’s needed at all. You need to think of this in terms of what this would add to the existing gameplay. It wouldn’t.
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> We now have 3 precision weapons in Halo 4 to use. IMAO, that’s a little too much. How much precisiony precision do we need?
As it stands we have 4 precision rifles in Halo 4 and yes it can be a little much at times. Cutting it to 3, one for each faction in the game, would help the gameplay in my opinion. Combining the functions of the two UNSC versions without actually taking the gameplay of one or the other out of the game would keep BR enthusiasts happy, and keep the DMR users happy. Both their guns would be in the game in one tightly made package. I know everyone would flip if they took the BR out again and I know there’s a ton of people who’d be livid if the DMR was removed. I’m trying to see how they can make everyone happy, all while freeing up space for new guns to be introduced.
I’ve had this idea myself, and i think it could work. The most important thing is aim assit right now. I know it’s not as bad as it was but that’s always been my problem with H4’s dmr. It’s too easy plus it gives away headshots that as a player you know you didn’t get AND no weapon in Halo or ANY shooter should have pinpoint accuracy at the ranges the h4 dmr has anyway. While bloom sucks, H4 shows you why bungie felt they needed to add it.
If Halo is to continue down the arena/ loadout hybrid direction, a debate over which weapon is your favourite is a good thing.
As long as the DMR’s range is reduced back to what it was in Reach and descoping returns, the DMR is fine. I am also of the opinion Bloom should be replaced
by recoil.
As long as the BR has no more than a 0.1 second kill time advantage or less it is fine also.
The title of the thread made me laugh, it’s about as simple as a title could get, yet it is self explanatory and you wouldn’t even need to write a post for people to know what you were talking about.
I’ll be honest, the idea of blending the BR and the DMR into the same gun makes me uncomfortable, and I’m not entirely sure why.
I think it’s because it stems from trying to make a compromise (fixing the BR and DMR war), and to me that spells bad news.
Though I don’t have any reason beyond that to think that it wouldn’t work. I’ll keep my eye out on the discussion.
I say we just redesign the sandbox, one entirely unique weapon per faction.
Prism Rifle
-Unscoped fire acts similar to a shotgun, firing three beams of light in a fixed horizontal triangle.
-Scoping decreases the deviation and firing rate of the beams.
-Effective Range - Close to Medium
Summary: The deviation of the light makes it impossible to hit all shots at long range. Four shot kill, all beams must hit head to finish an enemy. Scoping extends the effective range but kills slower than the Battle Rifle.
Battle Rifle
-Three Burst Kill.
-No Spread.
-Time between bullets in burst significantly increased.
-Effective Range: Medium
Summary: The increased delay makes longer range shots easier to dodge and increases the tracking skill gap. 2/3 bullets must hit the head to finish an enemy.
Radioactive Rifle
-Six Shot Kill
-Slow killtime.
-Effective Range: Long
Summary: Essentially the current DMR, appearance is of an extended, altered Carbine.
I rather keep both. That way, players who like playing short and mid ranged, precision wise they can go for the Battle Rifle or the Carbine, but that’s out of the question. The others who like playing mid and long ranged, precision wise would go for the DMR or the Light Rifle. Just a little hint, if there was such a thing as the BMR, you have to remember, the recoil of the shot. When the BR fires, the crosshairs move b/c you fired 4 or 5 shots. DMR’s crosshairs remain in place b/c its a single semi-auto.
> As it stands we have 4 precision rifles in Halo 4 and yes it can be a little much at times. Cutting it to 3, one for each faction in the game, would help the gameplay in my opinion. Combining the functions of the two UNSC versions without actually taking the gameplay of one or the other out of the game would keep BR enthusiasts happy, and keep the DMR users happy. Both their guns would be in the game in one tightly made package. I know everyone would flip if they took the BR out again and I know there’s a ton of people who’d be livid if the DMR was removed. I’m trying to see how they can make everyone happy, all while freeing up space for new guns to be introduced.
Combining the DMR and BR will raise more problems than it solves. For one, if you combine the two, how will you switch firemodes? All of the controller buttons are now in use, so you’ll have to find a way to squeeze in an extra function somewhere.
Another problem, as stated before, is redundancy with the Lightrifle. You’ll probably have to take it out. But the LR has a different feel to it than you would expect a BR/DMR combination gun to have so some fans will get angry.
And lastly, there’s problems with balance. When you can carry two of the best precision rifles AND something else, that’s rather OP’d. Why go with the Promethean precision weapon or the Covenant precision weapon when you have two of the best rolled into one? A predictable and effective secondary that will be used will most likely be the AR. Now you have a gun for pretty much all situations and no need to carry anything else except maybe the Plasma Pistol to stop vehicles. See where I’m going with this?