Blue Team to have their own disagreements?

This is one of the things I’m really looking forward to seeing explored in Halo 5; the dynamics between the 2 squads.

We’ve already seen that Buck has his reservations about hunting the Chief, and I think Tim Longo has already suggested that as Osiris are a new team there’s going to be disagreements if not more between them.

I’m also looking forward to seeing Blue Team together in a game and seeing that dynamic work (though being honest, who isn’t?) From the footage so far it seems it’s only Chief that’s been declared AWOL and it’s Chief who’s decided to go off mission. So do Blue Team agree with him? Or do they themselves have reservations but are supporting Chief out of loyalty and friendship? Will they voice those reservations?

Really hope we see this fully explored in the game :slight_smile:

Ya it’s gonna be sweet to see how everything plays out, cant wait!

I have a feeling that blue team will be more efficient and better than the Osiris team however as the story progresses Osiris get better at what they do as they begin to possibly trust eachother more

It would be interesting, the Chief has already shown that he is willing to disobey orders to meet his goals but I don’t think we have seen any of the current members of Blue team disobey any order or mission directly.

Probably at the beginning Buck will give ideas to Locke. Buck is the most experienced soldier in Osiris. (Reach, New Mombasa)
I can imagine that if Arbiter and Locke gonna argue with each other, and Locke want to prove his own truth every way, then Buck will stop him and help him to see why Arbiter’s right.

I think some of the disagreements shared between Blue Team will relate to the importance of Cortana and Chief’s visions. At first, I can imagine them doubting Chief after he sees a silhouette of Cortana telling him to save Merdian and that the Domain is opening. They’re Spartan-IIs after all; they’re supposed to be extremely level-headed and becoming fugitives isn’t going to look good for them. But they’ll come to agree with him after they learn he’s right.

Later in the game, I can see Fred and John arguing over the position as leader. Fred would attack Cortana’s significance to the Chief and suggest he’s not mentally fit to lead Blue Team. He may also says he’s forgetting his roots and no longer valued Blue Team and his fellow Spartan-IIs. This would lead to a heated argument. Only some immediate danger - like the presence of Guardian - would get them to put aside their argument and prioritize the mission again.

I forget which interview, but someone brought up the dynamics among the two teams, and Tim Longo stated that - and I’m paraphrasing - we will see conflict within Osiris, as they are a relatively new team. By comparison, Blue Team has an insurmountable bond, and that will be reflected in how they interact. I think it will be an important contrast within the campaign.

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> I think some of the disagreements shared between Blue Team will relate to the importance of Cortana and Chief’s visions. At first, I can imagine them doubting Chief after he sees a silhouette of Cortana telling him to save Merdian and that the Domain is opening. They’re Spartan-IIs after all; they’re supposed to be extremely level-headed and becoming fugitives isn’t going to look good for them. But they’ll come to agree with him after they learn he’s right.
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> I forget which interview, but someone brought up the dynamics among the two teams, and Tom Longo stated that - and I’m paraphrasing - we will see conflict within Osiris, as they are a relatively new team. By comparison, Blue Team has an insurmountable bond, and that will be reflected in how they interact. I think it will be an important contrast within the campaign.

I’m not sure which one I like more.

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> > I forget which interview, but someone brought up the dynamics among the two teams, and Tom Longo stated that - and I’m paraphrasing - we will see conflict within Osiris, as they are a relatively new team. By comparison, Blue Team has an insurmountable bond, and that will be reflected in how they interact. I think it will be an important contrast within the campaign.
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I vote for the second and i think its more likely.

In the past, even when chief hasn’t been labeled as the leader, he was still the de-facto leader. His abilities as a spartan are actually average relative to other spartan-IIs, but his exceptional decision making and leadership abilities set him apart. I think the rest of blue team has experienced this many times in the past and given how the Spartan IIs have basically been forsaken by ONI at this point, they will probably follow him no matter what.

I don’t know. I just want to see some conflict between Blue Team. It would be boring if they agreed on everything. Despite their cohesion in the books, they’re still humans and I think they’ll have conflicting points of view. Despite ONI treating them terribly in the post-war media, I don’t think they’ll follow everything Chief says, especially if they think it’ll cause more harm in the long-run. He is asking them to go AWOL to fight Guardians; they’ll be some things they don’t all agree on.

Even Spartans have emotions and can defy orders if they think it’s for the best. Halo 4 exemplified this in especially.

I think that Osiris will see the majority of conflict and the most Blue team will suffer is a split second over ruling on a decision followed by silent agreement (Fred: “Finish them off!” Kelly: “There’s no time, run!” Spartans immediately run towards objective). Blue team has been shown to be like one cohesive body, the right hand isn’t going to argue with the left hand, so there’s no way we’ll see any drama like Osiris is bound to suffer as a brand new team full of people from diverse backgrounds. Blue Team certainly won’t pull a Del Rio and try to accuse the Chief of going crazy because doubting what he see’s (specifically these Cortana visions) is pretty much like doubting any of them have their sanity. The rest of Blue Team aren’t quite at the Galaxy saving level but they are all Spartans, having gone through all the trials and tribulations that come with it, and up until Reach were together for over 41 years. I feel like any bickering or doubts would have been dealt with long ago (Hell probably before they even got their suits) to make them the ultimate Spartan team*.

*Yea, Osiris has nothing on Blue Team.

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> I don’t know. I just want to see some conflict between Blue Team. It would be boring if they agreed on everything. Despite their cohesion in the books, they’re still humans and I think they’ll have conflicting points of view. Despite ONI treating them terribly in the post-war media, I don’t think they’ll follow everything Chief says, especially if they think it’ll cause more harm in the long-run. He is asking them to go AWOL to fight Guardians; they’ll be some things they don’t all agree on.
> Even Spartans have emotions and can defy orders if they think it’s for the best. Halo 4 exemplified this in especially.

This is why I think it will be cooler to see confrontations within the ranks, especially between Fred and Chief.

> *Yea, Osiris has nothing on Blue Team.

I have a feeling you’re going to eat those words at the end of Guardians.

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> > I don’t know. I just want to see some conflict between Blue Team. It would be boring if they agreed on everything. Despite their cohesion in the books, they’re still humans and I think they’ll have conflicting points of view. Despite ONI treating them terribly in the post-war media, I don’t think they’ll follow everything Chief says, especially if they think it’ll cause more harm in the long-run. He is asking them to go AWOL to fight Guardians; they’ll be some things they don’t all agree on.
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Meh, I seriously doubt it. I think Osiris is a team able to stay in the same league as Blue (Strong enough to tail them) but they won’t be the ones forging ahead and making the big plays. Blue team is off on their own dealing with a threat only they can handle all the while knowing that what they are doing will make them hunted, they expect Team Osiris and are capable enough to deal with them. Everything we’ve heard of when it comes to Blue Team and their exploits paints them as near mythical figures. In comparison, Osiris is just… lacking. Tanaka and Olympia don’t even register as threats, I’ll admit to being a little ignorant of all the lore behind them but from what I know Olympia specializes in translating while Tanaka is a survival specialist. Buck having been an ODST(the best?) for almost all of his career means he’s got a lethal edge to him but even with him being a year older than the Spartan II’s he still falls short on 2 aspects; 1. He started training at the age of 18 while Spartan II’s started at 6, 2. He’s only been a Spartan for a couple years at most while Blue Team were Spartans years before he even stepped foot into basic training(Not to mention Spartan II’s have a natural advantage over Spartan IV’s due to the type of augmentations they received and most importantly, when they received them). Lock, being the counter part to the Chief, is obviously the largest threat and rightfully so. He was chosen for this role for a reason; he has the perfect skill set to hunt the Chief down and is the best man for the job ONI could muster. Osiris is definitely a team built to survive in the hostile environment they’ll be searching through to hunt down the Chief and Blue Team. I think they’ll achieve their goal of finding Blue Team, no doubt. There’s not a snow balls chance in Hell they’ll manage to bring any of them back though, not against their will. Blue Team is filled to the brim with elite killers who have survived in impossible situations time and time again, saved galaxies and accomplished everything they’ve ever set out to do. What ever they’re doing, they’ll get it done.

Having said that I don’t think we’ll end up having the 2 sides we control and play as fight each other. They’ll eventually encounter each other, initial hostilities will flare but will be sorted out after an explanation or a random combat inducing interruption that makes everyone realize they’re on the same side so they need to deal with the issue Blue Team was pursuing together to ensure success. Lock, after seeing Nightfall, is clearly not the type of man to simply disregard the big picture just because ONI tells him to. No, I think that once he understands whats happening he’ll forget about his mission or strike a deal with the Chief to help if he agrees to turn himself in after the issue is dealt with(something the Chief undoubtedly already planned to do).

There is the possibility that neither group ends up coming back. With how corrupt and shadey ONI is being shown as, its possible that they end up being an enemy (probably in Halo 6) and the Spartans all unite to stop them. Considering how eminent the emergence of the Flood and their testing of humanity(maybe all sentient life) for the mantel is, every race (Covies and Humans) will need stand together to combat the threat. With ONI trying to actively weaken the Covenant and gain power for itself, it becomes as big a threat to all life as the Flood itself. Maybe we’ll see more on this as the campaign progresses.

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Im voting for the second one because even when training as kids, john isnt even a squad leader and STILL they listen to him.

The specific example im thinking of is from THE FALL OF REACH. they had a training exercises and were droped off into the wood’s in different locations. They had tk find each other, figure the map out(which all 75 children had a piece, some duplicates and some not needed) get to a drop ship and get back to base. Long story short they had to overtake soldiers to get the pelican, they asked John " what now" and john noticed all 74 spartan 2s were looking at him. This is when they were about all 8 years old, blue team is in their mid to late 40s i think. After all the stuff theyve been through together, plus knowing what john has been through apart from them, i feel even IF they personally disagree with him, they will not question his sanity and trust him enough to follow him.

> I think Osiris is a team able to stay in the same league as Blue (Strong enough to tail them)

This is a contradiction of terms.

> but they won’t be the ones forging ahead and making the big plays.

I don’t think so either, but I think they’re going to be neck-in-neck as far as Halo 5 is concerned. They’re described as exceptional Spartans, essentially the Blue Team of the S-IVs.

> Everything we’ve heard of when it comes to Blue Team and their exploits paints them as near mythical figures. In comparison, Osiris is just… lacking. Tanaka and Olympia don’t even register as threats, I’ll admit to being a little ignorant of all the lore behind them but from what I know Olympia specializes in translating while Tanaka is a survival specialist.

I’ll admit, Vale isn’t much of a threat, despite her xenobiology specialization, yet Tanaka survived a glassing, one of only three survivors, with an entire Covenant armada hunting her for three years, in an environment much like that of a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland. After this she enlisted in the UNSC Army, and was a Sergeant a mere 3 years after that. When the Covenant glassed a colony, leaving only one city intact, ONI handpicked her to lead a search and rescue mission in the occupied city. All she had were two helljumpers under her command (which, as we recall, are essentially SPARTANS who did not need augmentations to be badasses). The mission was still a success. That’s damn near unbelievable, considering the fact ALL of NOBLE were eliminated during the Battle of Reach, SIX SPARTANS KIA.

> Buck having been an ODST(the best?) for almost all of his career means he’s got a lethal edge to him but even with him being a year older than the Spartan II’s he still falls short on 2 aspects;

“Truly, if he were any better he’d be a Spartan.”

> 1. He started training at the age of 18 while Spartan II’s started at 6,

You ever hear the expression, “Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog”? Or, what about, “Quantity does not equal quality”? I think its worthwhile mentioning that when Buck enlisted and got through training, Blue Team were only 4 years ahead of him in actual combat experience (we’re not talking about training here at the moment, but actual live combat with Covenant forces). Buck, being a career Marine of 25 years, is only shortly behind Blue Team’s collective 29.

> 2. He’s only been a Spartan for a couple years at most while Blue Team were Spartans years before he even stepped foot into basic training(Not to mention Spartan II’s have a natural advantage over Spartan IV’s due to the type of augmentations they received and most importantly, when they received them).

That’s kind of the same as point 1, so I’ll just continue where I left off. I think, despite being in dozens of campaigns against the Covenant, all of them except the Fall of Reach being successful, it is most important to point out he survived something that SIX SPARTANS and Blue Team and the Master Chief himself would not have. Before it begins, you know how it ends. I’ve already mentioned it once. He also survived the attack on Earth by both Regret and Truth, and I am sure it is no coincidence why ONI had him placed in the Fireteam that is tasked with the elimination of John-117.
I would also like to mention, in response to the above and below quotes…

> Lock, being the counter part to the Chief, is obviously the largest threat and rightfully so. He was chosen for this role for a reason; he has the perfect skill set to hunt the Chief down and is the best man for the job ONI could muster. Osiris is definitely a team built to survive in the hostile environment they’ll be searching through to hunt down the Chief and Blue Team. I think they’ll achieve their goal of finding Blue Team, no doubt. There’s not a snow balls chance in Hell they’ll manage to bring any of them back though, not against their will.

> The physical augmentations of the Spartan-IV supersoldiers are more modest than those of the two preceding programs, although their standard-issue GEN2 Mjolnir armor is designed to compensate for this drawback.

Second paragraph, first sentence, with two sources to back it up: one, an interview with Frank O’Connor, and the other, the GameInformer article about “Unmasking The Fireteam Hunting Master Chief”. For all intents and purposes, Osiris and Blue are dead even.

I wonder whether the fact the only reason Fireteam Osiris are on par with Blue Team is because of their armour comes up in the game, that would be pretty cool to see that explored

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> I wonder whether the fact the only reason Fireteam Osiris are on par with Blue Team is because of their armour comes up in the game, that would be pretty cool to see that explored

To see what explored? The dynamics of their armor?

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The fact that Spartan IV’s are only on par with II’s because of their armour. I know Halsey took a shot at the IV’s for not being worthy to the called Spartans but seeing II’s have a go at them for it because of everything they were put through would be interesting to see