"Blue Team probably has more lines of dialogue H5"

“343 Industries has stated that Blue Team probably has more lines of dialogue in Halo 5 than they have in all the books, comics, and videos released to date, so it will give fans a better look into the personas of some of Halo’s oldest warriors.”

I was just reading both of Haruspis’ opinions on Halo 5’s narrative, both pros and cons, and caught this. I guess the key-word is probably, but still. I am still quite upset at the story’s treatment of Blue Team, the Chief and of course Cortana, but wow.

I already knew 343 has lied about a lot of things regarding Halo 5, but I guess I was not aware to the ridiculous extent of said lies.

Yeah, 343i lied big-time about practically every aspect of ‘Halo 5’. That’s bad enough on it’s own, but even worse, the devs have also shown absolutely no indication they care and have continued to lie in order to deflect very valid criticism. It’s going to be “fun” seeing how else they’re going to lie about future games/products in order to try and trick fans into buying them.

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> Yeah, 343i lied big-time about practically every aspect of ‘Halo 5’. That’s bad enough on it’s own, but even worse, the devs have also shown absolutely no indication they care and have continued to lie in order to deflect very valid criticism. It’s going to be “fun” in the future seeing how else they’re going to lie about future games/products in order to try and trick fans into buying them.

"lied big-time about practically every aspect of ‘Halo 5’.
Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?

"Devs have also shown absolutely no indication they care" I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.
-Adopter of Knowledge

That’s just sad they just try to oversell themselves in every situation

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> > Yeah, 343i lied big-time about practically every aspect of ‘Halo 5’. That’s bad enough on it’s own, but even worse, the devs have also shown absolutely no indication they care and have continued to lie in order to deflect very valid criticism. It’s going to be “fun” in the future seeing how else they’re going to lie about future games/products in order to try and trick fans into buying them.
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> "lied big-time about practically every aspect of ‘Halo 5’.
> Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?
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> “Devs have also shown absolutely no indication they care” I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
> Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.
> -Adopter of Knowledge

That last point about them caring is on spot. Too often I see people on this forum hiding behind a veil of ones and zeros, forgetting that these are real people, with families and lives. The least we can do is respect them as people. Would we really disgrace them if we saw them in person, no. We would walk up, shake their hand, and thank them for the wonderful world they helped create. They care because like us they are people with feelings.

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> Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?

That’s what we’re talking about here - the story/campaign. Perhaps I should have been more specific, but my point still stands. Aside from the fact that Osiris and Blue Team show up in the game, everything we were told about the plot, themes, and supposed character development was 100% untrue. And that simply is not acceptable. It well fits into the realm of false advertising, not just standard marketing or hype-building.

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> I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
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> Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.

Making an in-game emblem to acknowledge a tragic event is not at all the same thing as actually responding to very serious criticism of the game’s story and misleading advertising. Also I have a very hard time thinking their recent gesture is actually sincere anyway, and not just some other ploy to try and manipulate some goodwill out of the jaded community. I have yet to see anyone from 343i legitimately respond to fan complaints about the story in a way that isn’t completely belittling or dismissive.

I used to trust and respect 343i as a developer, but they absolutely took advantage of that trust by lying to me and utterly insulting everything I used to love about Halo. So because of that, I still say they don’t care. And I’m never making the mistake of taking anything they do or say at face value ever again.

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> > Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?
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> That’s what we’re talking about here - the story/campaign. Perhaps I should have been more specific, but my point still stands. Aside from the fact that Osiris and Blue Team show up in the game, everything we were told about the plot, themes, and supposed character development was 100% untrue. And that simply is not acceptable. It well fits into the realm of false advertising, not just standard marketing or hype-building.
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> > I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
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> > Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.
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> Making an in-game emblem to acknowledge a tragic event is not at all the same thing as actually responding to very serious criticism of the game’s story and misleading advertising. Also I have a very hard time thinking their recent gesture is actually sincere anyway, and not just some other ploy to try and manipulate some goodwill out of the jaded community. I have yet to see anyone from 343i legitimately respond to fan complaints about the story in a way that isn’t completely belittling or dismissive.
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> I used to trust and respect 343i as a developer, but they absolutely took advantage of that trust by lying to me and utterly insulting everything I used to love about Halo. So because of that, I still say they don’t care. And I’m never making the mistake of taking anything they do or say at face value ever again.

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> > Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?
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> That’s what we’re talking about here - the story/campaign. Perhaps I should have been more specific, but my point still stands. Aside from the fact that Osiris and Blue Team show up in the game, everything we were told about the plot, themes, and supposed character development was 100% untrue. And that simply is not acceptable. It well fits into the realm of false advertising, not just standard marketing or hype-building.
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> > I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
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> > Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.
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> Making an in-game emblem to acknowledge a tragic event is not at all the same thing as actually responding to very serious criticism of the game’s story and misleading advertising. Also I have a very hard time thinking their recent gesture is actually sincere anyway, and not just some other ploy to try and manipulate some goodwill out of the jaded community. I have yet to see anyone from 343i legitimately respond to fan complaints about the story in a way that isn’t completely belittling or dismissive.
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> I used to trust and respect 343i as a developer, but they absolutely took advantage of that trust by lying to me and utterly insulting everything I used to love about Halo. So because of that, I still say they don’t care. And I’m never making the mistake of taking anything they do or say at face value ever again.

It might not be the same thing, but it does show care, atleast for me. The TIME interview, and a Sprint episode are the only things we have on their feedback… and we’re only five months since it has released. They do have alot more time to say things about the story. Besides, are they even allowed to, considering the rumors about Microsoft meddling in the development cycle?

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> > > Are you sure that’s not just the campaign marketing manipulation your talking about? I’m sure I got the multiplayer I was marketed to get. Besides, every aspect? Really?
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> > That’s what we’re talking about here - the story/campaign. Perhaps I should have been more specific, but my point still stands. Aside from the fact that Osiris and Blue Team show up in the game, everything we were told about the plot, themes, and supposed character development was 100% untrue. And that simply is not acceptable. It well fits into the realm of false advertising, not just standard marketing or hype-building.
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> > > I’m sure you’ve known, that with the last free content update, we’ve had a dedicated emblem to a tragic community event, where the community gathered support for thecrzdspartan and his lost daughters. Also, with that, a dedicated emblem to Ducain23. On countless occasions, they respond to us, and we certainly know they have eyes on us.
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> > > Trust me, if they put in effort for the community, that to me shows they care. But you can go on and say they don’t.
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> > Making an in-game emblem to acknowledge a tragic event is not at all the same thing as actually responding to very serious criticism of the game’s story and misleading advertising. Also I have a very hard time thinking their recent gesture is actually sincere anyway, and not just some other ploy to try and manipulate some goodwill out of the jaded community. I have yet to see anyone from 343i legitimately respond to fan complaints about the story in a way that isn’t completely belittling or dismissive.
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> > I used to trust and respect 343i as a developer, but they absolutely took advantage of that trust by lying to me and utterly insulting everything I used to love about Halo. So because of that, I still say they don’t care. And I’m never making the mistake of taking anything they do or say at face value ever again.
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> It might not be the same thing, but it does show care, atleast for me. The TIME interview, and a Sprint episode are the only things we have on their feedback… and we’re only five months since it has released. They do have alot more time to say things about the story. Besides, are they even allowed to, considering the rumors about Microsoft meddling in the development cycle?

They really can’t do or say much, since Microsoft’s the corporation that owns 343i. It’s similar to EA always getting involved with Bioware’s games. (Like how they made Bioware rewrite the story for Mass Effect 3) All this hate shouldn’t be directed at 343i, but at Microsoft. Even then, there’s a thread from a while back where myself and Greenleaf discussed the topic on false advertisement. I’m not getting back into it, but I will say I see no “100%” false advertisement. Saying so is saying that Halo 5 is nothing like what it is now. Which is, well, untrue.

I agree

This would be an easy claim to prove or disprove, someone would just have to get all the dialogue and compare it to other media. That said, if we go by scripted dialogue then no way does the claim they have more than every piece of media combined check out. Scripted dialogue as well as combat and situational dialogue? Maybe.

I’m sure all the dialogue lines, contextual combat dialogue and so on, numerically adds up to any previous book.
A line could be as short as: “Hey watch it!”

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> I’m sure all the dialogue lines, contextual combat dialogue and so on, numerically adds up to any previous book.
> A line could be as short as: “Hey watch it!”

This.

Though, I think the only book that’d have a lot of blue team dialogue would be First Strike, they didn’t talk much during FoR, and GoO was mostly focused on S-III’s. Alot of dialogue was more implied stuff, or ‘physical’ communication like lights or the spartan smile.

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> > I’m sure all the dialogue lines, contextual combat dialogue and so on, numerically adds up to any previous book.
> > A line could be as short as: “Hey watch it!”
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> Though, I think the only book that’d have a lot of blue team dialogue would be First Strike, they didn’t talk much during FoR, and GoO was mostly focused on S-III’s. Alot of dialogue was more implied stuff, or ‘physical’ communication like lights or the spartan smile.

Awful nice of 343i to twist the truth then and let us think basic enemy and weapon call-outs equated to dialogue that would “give fans a better look into the personas of some of Halo’s oldest warriors.”

No matter how you slice it they were still disgustingly dishonest about the game. And it is abundantly clear now that they will say anything in order to make a sale and/or not have to take responsibility for their mistakes; whether it be by outright lying, or just ignoring criticism all together. With this last game 343i proved that they do not actually care about the story, characters, or dedicated fans of Halo. Their //only// goal is to make as much $$ as possible - no matter who or what gets screwed-over in the process.

It’s also interesting to note that back in 2011, when the Reclaimer Saga (or Trilogy at that time) was introduced, 5 was stated to be the darkest game yet. Reach still takes that spot, imo.

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> It’s also interesting to note that back in 2011, when the Reclaimer Saga (or Trilogy at that time) was introduced, 5 was stated to be the darkest game yet. Reach still takes that spot, imo.

I’d say Reach only edges it out, and that’s only if you view their deaths as anything but that fitting a true warrior.

H5 feels a lot like Empire Strikes Back in that the hero has been humanized, Luke lost his hand, and Chief now fully lost Cortana, the enemy is winning, and the good guys are running blind with little hope of success.

And as for the thing about dialogue, the game may have more dialogue but it’s mostly minor stuff from Blue Team and therefore shouldn’t count.

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> And as for the thing about dialogue, the game may have more dialogue but it’s mostly minor stuff from Blue Team and therefore shouldn’t count.

Where does blue team have a deep, meaningful conversation in the books?

The closest I can think of is probably when they meet back up in First Strike.

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> The closest I can think of is probably when they meet back up in First Strike.

This is just a section from the prologue of ‘The Fall of Reach’:

> “Red Team reports mission objective achieved, Chief,” Blue-Two said. “They send their compliments.”
> “It’s hardly going to balance the scales,” Blue-Three muttered, and kicked the sand. “Not like those Grunts when they slaughtered the 105th Drop Jet Platoon. They should suffer just as much as those guys did.”
> The Chief had nothing to say to that. It wasn’t his job to make things suffer—he was just here to win battles. Whatever it took.
> “Blue-Two,” the Chief said. “Get me an uplink.”
> “Aye aye.” She patched him into the SATCOM system.
> “Mission accomplished, Captain de Blanc,” the Chief reported. “Enemy neutralized.”
> “Excellent news,”the Captain said. He sighed, and added,“But we’re pulling you out, Chief.”
> “We’re just getting warmed up down here, sir.”
> “Well, it’s a different story up here. Move out for pickup ASAP.”
> “Understood, sir.” The Chief killed the uplink. He told his team, “The party’s over, Spartans. Dust-off in fifteen.”
> They jogged double-quick up the ten kilometers of the beach, and returned to their dropship—a Pelican, scuffed and dented from three days’ hard fighting. They boarded and the ship’s engines whined to life.
> Blue-Two took off her helmet and scratched the stubble of her brown hair. “It’s a shame to leave this place,” she said, and leaned against the porthole. “There are so few left.”
> The Chief stood by her and glanced out as they lifted into the air—there were wide rolling plains of palmgrass, the green expanse of ocean, a wispy band of clouds in the sky, and setting red suns. “There will be other places to fight for,” he said.
> “Will there?” she whispered.

Here we see the members of Blue Team engaging in mission-relevant dialogue that simultaneously shows off their personalities, including physical gestures. And it even ends with a rather thoughtful moment between John-117 and Kelly-087 as the prospect of humanity’s dwindling chances to win the war rears it’s ugly head.

Obviously there are plenty more that take place after this, as well as throughout the 4 subsequent novels featuring these characters. Furthermore, circa ‘Halo 5’ there is lots for Blue Team to be talking about, and there was more than enough room to highlight their bonds with each other and every members own unique attributes. There is absolutely no excuse to Blue Team being relegated to a mere cameo in their premier game.

Blue Team should of really had an intro in the same vein as Osiris for one thing at least. Would have made such a tremendous difference to the game not withstanding major let downs in the story development and character development. It was ripe for the taking too. Putting together an intro reminiscent of “Let’s sprint this” from “The Package” when boarding Argent Moon showing their Spartan abilities, in depth experience, teamwork and dialogue would have done wonders for showing us Blue Team in a Halo game for the first time. Except we got them silently flying in formation in space for a brief amount of time only to break a really big window of a ship floating in space. And that was that for Blue Team…for the rest of the story…till the very end. Yip H5 story is just one big disappointment!