BLOOM: THE DEBATE IS OVER - GET OVER IT

Games Other Halo
1

This post has been edited by a moderator. Please do not post flame bait.

*Original post. Click at your own discretion.

Debunking Stupid Misconceptions
I hear the same argument over and over again, even though they are clearly wrong, I will debunk these absurd argument before you even get the chance to comment. The debate is over, there is no logical reason to have bloom, unless you are trying to lower the skill gap. Why bother… Who benifits from bloom it doesn’t help anyone.

1. "It Requires Skill"
Wrong! Bloom causes the reticle to increase which creates more randomness, this is where it rewards people who spam. By just spamming mindlessly you are likey to just “happen” to land all five shots just because you got lucky. which completey deafeats the purpose of bloom… Why bother?

2. "Balances the DMR"
Wrong again, There are many other ways to balance a weapon rather than adding a braindead, redundant mechinic that does the excat opositite of what it was put in for. Rather than adding bloom to punish you for spamming the weapon. Why can’t 343i just make the maximuim fire rate lower to the speed you “pace” your shots, then remove bloom.

2. "Bloom was in CE"
No no no, that was called spread, by HOLDING down the trigger on a pisol you get spread. But by tapping the trigger you got a consistant fire where the bullet would hit the same place over and over. Bloom was not in the CE

Bloom will never work
If you think that bloom is balanced, it may be your opinion but you are also wrong, why bother in having to pace shots which only cause frustustion when someone spams and gets “lucky”. Why put up this the chore of pacing shots, when you can just cut out the middle man, lower the fire rate to a rate which be consider “pacing” and remove bloom. Give me a good reason why not?

And there you have it, you may have slower firing DMR, but it’s balance and can’t be spammed to get an unfair advantage to someone trying to pace their shots and not trying a abuse bloom.

Dicuss. If you think im wrong, don’t flame me. Contest me Stand up for bloom and prove me wrong. I dare you

2

Judging from the use of a Negative Proof fallacy and the hostile attitude of the post suggesting you wouldn’t accept any positive reasoning from pro-bloom posts, it sounds like you want to start another fight.

Course, we don’t know how bloom will work in Halo 4, so trying to say it will never work is just plain wrong at this point since it is unprovable that it will work and that is won’t work.

3

> 1. "It Requires Skill"
> Wrong! Bloom causes the reticle to increase which creates more randomness, this is where it rewards people who spam. By just spamming mindlessly you are likey to just “happen” to land all five shots just because you got lucky.

The point of Bloom was it was supposed to cause you to pace your shots, and when you pace its supposed to be more accurate dealing more damage.

> 2. "Balances the DMR"
> Wrong again, There are many other ways to balance a weapon rather than adding a braindead, redundant mechinic that does the excat opositite of what it was put in for. Rather than adding bloom to punish you for spamming the weapon. Why can’t 343i just make the maximuim fire rate lower to the speed you “pace” your shots, then remove bloom.

Point being Bloom is just one mechanic to be used for balance and it has been Pretty much any and all FPS its just a simple mechanic and Just because One game didn’t do it well does not make the mechanic broken

> 2. "Bloom was in CE"
> No no no, that was called spread, by HOLDING down the trigger on a pisol you get spread. But by tapping the trigger you got a consistant fire where the bullet would hit the same place over and over.

Yes Yes it was The is visual proof Posted on an other “Bloom is Bad” thread

> Bloom will never work
> If you think that bloom is balanced, it may be your opinion but you are also wrong, why bother in having to pace shots which only cause frustustion when someone spams and gets “lucky”. Why put up this the chore of pacing shots, when you can just cut out the middle man, lower the fire rate to a rate which be consider “pacing” and removing bloom.
>
> And there you have it, you may have slower firing DMR, but it’s balance and can’t be spammed to get an unfair advantage to someone trying to pace their shots and not trying a abuse bloom.

This “bloom” Is looking as if its Only visual Similar the sniper rifle Reticule blooming

> Dicuss. If you think im wrong, don’t flame me. Contest me Stand up for bloom and prove me wrong. I dare you

4

> Judging from the use of a Negative Proof fallacy and the hostile attitude of the post suggesting you wouldn’t accept any positive reasoning from pro-bloom posts, it sounds like you want to start another fight.
>
> Course, we don’t know how bloom will work in Halo 4, so trying to say it will never work is just plain wrong at this point since it is unprovable that it will work and that is won’t work.

Give me the best argument and prove me wrong.

5

> > Judging from the use of a Negative Proof fallacy and the hostile attitude of the post suggesting you wouldn’t accept any positive reasoning from pro-bloom posts, it sounds like you want to start another fight.
> >
> > Course, we don’t know how bloom will work in Halo 4, so trying to say it will never work is just plain wrong at this point since it is unprovable that it will work and that is won’t work.
>
> Give me the best argument and prove me wrong.

Considering all you are looking for is someone to argue with you, this thread has 0 discussion value.

6

> > Judging from the use of a Negative Proof fallacy and the hostile attitude of the post suggesting you wouldn’t accept any positive reasoning from pro-bloom posts, it sounds like you want to start another fight.
> >
> > Course, we don’t know how bloom will work in Halo 4, so trying to say it will never work is just plain wrong at this point since it is unprovable that it will work and that is won’t work.
>
> Give me the best argument and prove me wrong.

That is an impossible demand. You contend that bloom will never work, you believe in an absolute and will not change. I only have my personal experiences to work with and I don’t even notice bloom anymore. If anything it’s helped me with burst-firing my AR.

7

Though i have preference (not favoring bloom) and in the worst case scenario, i’ll just shut up, play the game and make people go negative.

Simple.

8

> > 1. "It Requires Skill"
> > Wrong! Bloom causes the reticle to increase which creates more randomness, this is where it rewards people who spam. By just spamming mindlessly you are likey to just “happen” to land all five shots just because you got lucky.
>
> The point of Bloom was it was supposed to cause you to pace your shots, and when you pace its supposed to be more accurate dealing more damage.
>
>
>
> > 2. "Balances the DMR"
> > Wrong again, There are many other ways to balance a weapon rather than adding a braindead, redundant mechinic that does the excat opositite of what it was put in for. Rather than adding bloom to punish you for spamming the weapon. Why can’t 343i just make the maximuim fire rate lower to the speed you “pace” your shots, then remove bloom.
>
> Point being Bloom is just one mechanic to be used for balance and it has been Pretty much any and all FPS its just a simple mechanic and Just because One game didn’t do it well does not make the mechanic broken
>
>
>
> > 2. "Bloom was in CE"
> > No no no, that was called spread, by HOLDING down the trigger on a pisol you get spread. But by tapping the trigger you got a consistant fire where the bullet would hit the same place over and over.
>
> Yes Yes it was The is visual proof Posted on an other “Bloom is Bad” thread
>
>
>
> > Bloom will never work
> > If you think that bloom is balanced, it may be your opinion but you are also wrong, why bother in having to pace shots which only cause frustustion when someone spams and gets “lucky”. Why put up this the chore of pacing shots, when you can just cut out the middle man, lower the fire rate to a rate which be consider “pacing” and removing bloom.
> >
> > And there you have it, you may have slower firing DMR, but it’s balance and can’t be spammed to get an unfair advantage to someone trying to pace their shots and not trying a abuse bloom.
>
> This “bloom” Is looking as if its Only visual Similar the sniper rifle Reticule blooming
>
>
>
> > Dicuss. If you think im wrong, don’t flame me. Contest me Stand up for bloom and prove me wrong. I dare you

  1. That was the Idea of bloom but it backfired. not only does it reward players who don’t “pace”. It punishes players who do chose to pace by letting them get beating by players who spam the trigger. Just Remove bloom and lower the firerate of the DMR? this will FORCE everyone to shoot at the “pace”.

  2. Bungie tried and the failed, it’s time to try somthing different and change it funny how you want everything can change expect for bloom.

3)Erm no. That only happens by HOLDING DOWN THE TRIGGER.

4)I hope so… and even then why bother?

9

Bloom can work (and has worked in other games) as long as spamming is made to be less rewarding. The reticle should expand more and reset faster to decrease the efficiency of spamming.

10

> > > Judging from the use of a Negative Proof fallacy and the hostile attitude of the post suggesting you wouldn’t accept any positive reasoning from pro-bloom posts, it sounds like you want to start another fight.
> > >
> > > Course, we don’t know how bloom will work in Halo 4, so trying to say it will never work is just plain wrong at this point since it is unprovable that it will work and that is won’t work.
> >
> > Give me the best argument and prove me wrong.
>
> That is an impossible demand. You contend that bloom will never work, you believe in an absolute and will not change. I only have my personal experiences to work with and I don’t even notice bloom anymore. If anything it’s helped me with burst-firing my AR.

I don’t “Believe” it will never work, from lookig at reach it pretty much broke the game. Give me a good reason to have it in Halo 4.

The AR sucks in reach, the accuaracy and range of that weapon is appauling… Why bother will burst firing when you could just have a more accuarate weapon…

11

> Bloom can work (and has worked in other games) as long as spamming is made to be less rewarding. The reticle should expand more and reset faster to decrease the efficiency of spamming.

What games has it worked in? Can’t mention game that use ADS (aim down site). People can still spam and get lucky… Whats the point?

12

Bloom slows down killtimes. That should be enough of a reason to stop 343 from even think about implementing it.

13

> I don’t “Believe” it will never work, from lookig at reach it pretty much broken the game. Give me a good reason to have it in Halo 4.

  1. It’s broke, not “broken”.
  2. You don’t have proof it can’t work in Halo 4 nor do I have proof it will. It might, it might not. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, knows.

> The AR sucks in reach, the accuaracy and range of that weapon is appauling… Why bother will burst firing when you could just have a more accuarate weapon…

Because it…works? Maybe you have trouble with it but it’s pretty good for me when I run out of DMR ammo.

14

I love bloom, I really feel like it widened the skill gap. Pacing isn’t easy to learn for many people, and took me a long time. I know that if two people In Reach would spam shots at each other with the magnum at the same pace, one would die and one would likely walk away, which seems random, but I maintain that bloom is not random. I rarely die in 1 v 1 fights with weapons that have bloom, and when I do I don’t blame bloom I simply realize that I made a mistake or the enemy was better than me.

I love bloom, hope it stays in H4, but I’m really not looking for an argument here. I guess my ultimate goal is to show that there are people that think contrary to you and like bloom. I don’t even notice bloom anymore to be quite honest.

My $.02

Edit: I am admittedly a casual gamer, don’t know if that means anything to you. I like to win and can be competitive in nature, but I am classified as “casual” because of my gameplay preferences and social nature, I believe.

15

> > I don’t “Believe” it will never work, from lookig at reach it pretty much broken the game. Give me a good reason to have it in Halo 4.
>
> 1. It’s broke, not “broken”.
> 2. You don’t have proof it can’t work in Halo 4 nor do I have proof it will. It might, it might not. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, knows.
>
>
>
> > The AR sucks in reach, the accuaracy and range of that weapon is appauling… Why bother will burst firing when you could just have a more accuarate weapon…
>
> Because it…works? Maybe you have trouble with it but it’s pretty goo for me when I run out of DMR ammo.

Your missing the point, why bother making you burst fire and paced shots, when you can just make the AR more accurate, remove bloom and lower fire rate? Why have this chore can’t we just be free fire as fast as we want without the game punishing us? If everyone could fire as fast as they can but it was balanced… whats the problem… Nothing there was no spamming issue in halo 3. There was no bloom see the patten.

BTW: Burst firing at CLOSE RANGE, is broken.

16

> 1) That was the Idea of bloom but it backfired. not only does it reward players who don’t “pace”. It punishes players who do chose to pace by letting them get beating by players who spam the trigger. Just Remove bloom and lower the firerate of the DMR? this will FORCE everyone to shoot at the “pace”.
>
> 2) Bungie tried and the failed, it’s time to try somthing different and change it funny how you want everything can change expect for bloom.
>
>
> 3)Erm no. That only happens by HOLDING DOWN THE TRIGGER.
>
>
> 4)I hope so… and even then why bother?

  1. this does not mean it cant be Fixed and Balanced appropriately
  2. yet many Other game literally 100s Used bloom in a correct and balanced manor
  3. Um yes It is shown That happen when you Hold trigger Pull fast, and pace shots, Proving bloom.
  4. to help player time there shot accordingly
17

> > > I don’t “Believe” it will never work, from lookig at reach it pretty much broken the game. Give me a good reason to have it in Halo 4.
> >
> > 1. It’s broke, not “broken”.
> > 2. You don’t have proof it can’t work in Halo 4 nor do I have proof it will. It might, it might not. Nobody, and I do mean nobody, knows.
> >
> >
> >
> > > The AR sucks in reach, the accuaracy and range of that weapon is appauling… Why bother will burst firing when you could just have a more accuarate weapon…
> >
> > Because it…works? Maybe you have trouble with it but it’s pretty goo for me when I run out of DMR ammo.
>
> Your missing the point, why bother making you burst fire and paced shots, when you can just make the AR more accurate, remove bloom and lower fire rate? Why have this chore can’t we just be free fire as fast as we want without the game punishing us? If everyone could fire as fast as they can but it was balanced… whats the problem… Nothing there was no spamming issue in halo 3. There was no bloom see the patten.
>
> BTW: Burst firing at CLOSE RANGE, is broken.

Because it increases the Skill gap Player will kill fast if the pace there shots.
“free fire as fast as we want without the game punishing us” this Just from what you said goes against to whole Idea of having a skill gap and in Favor of people Spamming over people having skilled shots

And i thought the whole idea was to increase the skill gap

18

Someone didn’t play Shadowrun.

19

> Someone didn’t play Shadowrun.

what was implemented fantastically

20

> Someone didn’t play Shadowrun.

Shadown run was a pile of crap, and I traded it in for Halo 3… little did I know I would be buying Shadowrun 2: Halo edition (Reach) in 3 Years time…