Hey I have played in many MLG events and know what most of the other competitive gamers are thinking. Is this Bloom in the guns ever going to go away? Bungie basically ruined halo reach with it and when i heard that 343 was going to get rid of it talk started stirring up at events of talk that halo could be once again reliable. So just got anniversary and the bloom is still here. Just wondering when its gonna be rid of. And when there will be permanently no bloom in custom games and matchmaking. All matchmaking.
Its for sure staying in reach? is there anywhere that is posted i can see that?
And if the bloom is in halo 4 on a dmr MLG is never going to be what it was back with Walsh.
For 343 to make steps forward like they promised they need to bring the Br back as main weapon like it was. and get rid of the bloom as far as reach is concerned. Thanks for the info.
> Its for sure staying in reach? is there anywhere that is posted i can see that?
> And if the bloom is in halo 4 on a dmr MLG is never going to be what it was back with Walsh.
> For 343 to make steps forward like they promised they need to bring the Br back as main weapon like it was. and get rid of the bloom as far as reach is concerned. Thanks for the info.
nothing has been officially said but judging by 343i actions it seems obvious that they are going to be keep bloom in reach, in my opinion this is mainly down to how out of balanced the weapon sandbox becomes when bloom is removed.
also, how is reverting back to poor un-balanced games pushing forwards…?
Un balanced games? If you call Halo 2 and Halo 3 unbalanced your strongly confused. Halo 2 and Halo 3 Where the most Competitive games ever created hands down. You can ask any MLG player. The amount of skill and teamwork needed in these games highly exceed any other game created. Moving back to things like smaller maps, fixing the guns, and taking out abilities. are the BEST changes that can be put into play.
> Un balanced games? If you call Halo 2 and Halo 3 unbalanced your strongly confused. Halo 2 and Halo 3 Where the most Competitive games ever created hands down. You can ask any MLG player. The amount of skill and teamwork needed in these games highly exceed any other game created. Moving back to things like smaller maps, fixing the guns, and taking out abilities. are the BEST changes that can be put into play.
i know they will say the same thing but halo 2 really wasn’t a good game and neither where the maps despite what people may think.
halo 3 was a good game though, it really was just a fixed version of halo 2 which worked well with the slight issue of the weapon sandbox being fairly u- balanced in favor of 2 main weapons and that was it, the maps where alright aswell but some they just got extremely lucky with such as the pit.
anyway, if you removed all the glitches and stuff that broke halo 2’s multiplayer then you will notice how bad and easy the game actually was, sure the button combo’s and super bounces made things more competitive but they where not intended and broke the overall gameplay.
the maps where bad, there was little to no flow on and all they really where just rush one spot and fight out and at the other end it was camp certain positions on the map to prevent the other team from being able to push against you, not that this is bad but when the spots are to dominating and there are no other real routes or tricks to take it just ruins to general gameplay.
bungie, whether you like it or not have put halo down a good path, sure somethings are bad but the overall game is way better then the previous halo’s, even at a competitive level, sure there is bloom but it does put more of an emphasize on teamwork which is what reach and halo has been about from the start, teamwork, the movement acceleration might be a pain in the butt but it encourages players to make more smart decisions as well as concentrating on dodging your opponents while trying to hit him, so instead of just flying around on the spot like a mad man you have to put more thought in to the battle to actually be victorious, people who manage to do this end up destroying all the time and you can see this just from watching how the pro’s tend to play.
Thats the only part your right about. For one bungie has put halo on the worst possible path ever. making the maps HUGE and ruining the weapons is no help at all to uhhh anyone. Yeah bungie has made Halo games funner and funner for maybe a little kid and his father. But from a competitive standpoint being an MLG players and talking to other players at events you are soooo wrong. The bigger the map the harder it is to work as a team making set ups and call out basically impossible to do. And armor abilities where a terrible idea as well. The ability to run from one side of the map to the other or fly above the level, just kills set ups and level balance. I honestly dont see what you mean. Yeah halo 2 was based off bungies mistakes that ended up being good mistakes, but the levels where great. This is why people try and remake them. Main MLG levels being lockout and midship. From a competitive standpoint halo keeps getting worse and worse you can really argue that.
> Its for sure staying in reach? is there anywhere that is posted i can see that?
> And if the bloom is in halo 4 on a dmr MLG is never going to be what it was back with Walsh.
> For 343 to make steps forward like they promised they need to bring the Br back as main weapon like it was. and get rid of the bloom as far as reach is concerned. Thanks for the info.
Totaly agree with you.
The Halo scene is almost dead.
There was a time that Halo was the biggest game on the MLG events.
Look at it now.
See the most played games on Xbox.
343 need to fix it and bring back bloomless gameplay with true-skill ranks 1-50 to save Halo before it franchise dies for good.
> I haven’t actually ever seen a bloom mechanic that ever worked the way it was supposed to.
Shadowrun.
It was one of the reasons why the game failed, the skill gap was simply too high and the game was inaccessible to many people and turned them off it as a result.
Gentlemen,sorry to jump in this late but I have an observation, but I would need confirmation as to it validity.It is my immpression that every FPS made in the last 5 years has some form of bloom, spread, recoil, climb or some form of punishment for firing fast, am I wrong?
Yeah but they started there game series with it. Halo didnt. EVERY time halo comes out with a new game they copy something from another game in hopes of getting more people to love their game. This is when they become selfish rather then reliable for its costumers coming back. They need to be there own game. And what have they copied from other games other then bloom? Ranks, map size, sprint. Need i go on?
> Yeah but they started there game series with it. Halo didnt. EVERY time halo comes out with a new game they copy something from another game in hopes of getting more people to love their game. This is when they become selfish rather then reliable for its costumers coming back. They need to be there own game. And what have they copied from other games other then bloom? Ranks, map size, sprint. Need i go on?
Most if not all the games that are out now,were not even out when 2 was released never mind CE,and the ones that have come out have most likely have changed the style in which the guns in their game fires.Furthermore it is my opinion that there is not a FPS currently that did not copy from halo,It would be foolish not to see what the market is interested in and try to implement it into a current game, adjusted to fit their parameters.
Bloom, recoil, spread, lifting are all attempts to add a realistic aspect to the firing of a weapon so as to provide a more emersive expeirence for the player.Map size,is a variable and Im not sure there is a halo sized map size, so Im not sure where I can go with that one. Abilities and individual options is what the vast majority of players want in a game,which is not to say all players and certainly not the majority of the “competitve” players,but if Halo is to thrive and take its rightful position back on top(my opinion) it is going to have to take a look at what where the market is putting its game buying dollar and attempt to appeal to the widest group of players it can.Or it can please the supposed hardcore fan by maintaining game designes from 5 years ago.Just as a sidenote,I would consider myself a “hardcore” fan as I have been playing off and on since CE and that includes buying Halo XboX’s and multiple copies of some of thier games.
LOL You are just basically proving all of my points. How bout you re read what you just said and then re read this thread. Yes your right most games out now weren’t out when halo 2 was. And then all these other games came out and halo started copying. And your foolish to think that Halo hasn’t gone already made a lot of changes to work for a more widespread group of players. ever since they started to do that there numbers have been horrible and i mean horrible. HALO is dyeing and its because they are becoming less competitive and more friendly. Yes they are gaining new members but lossing there reliable ones. And the reliable and competitive ones are the ones that matter. A bloom is ok to a point the way it is now is terrible. If halo wants to be known for friendly gaming, racetracks, and forging be my guest. But there was a day when Halo Ruled the MLG circuit. Its not an opinion its numbers take a look.