How about btb legendary. I really wish 343 would put a btb legendary variant into btis, maybe in place of big team slayer pro. Would any of you like it?
I’d play it until halo 5 is announced, or until Railgun Race/Incineration Race with mongooses is introduced to Action Sack or MultiTeam ^^ Whichever comes first!
Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)
> Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
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> They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> >
> > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
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> If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > >
> > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
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> > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
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> I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
this.
why is everyone trying to kill map movement in this game?
> > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > >
> > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
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> > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
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> I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
> > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > >
> > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
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> > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
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> > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
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> The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
> > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > >
> > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> >
> > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
>
> I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
the BR can still halt map movement as much as a DMR can, stop overexaggerating …
DMR starts would be a much better choice…
> > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > >
> > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > >
> > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> >
> > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
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> the BR can still halt map movement as much as a DMR can, stop overexaggerating …
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> DMR starts would be a much better choice…
Let’s put this into perspective.
You’re on Exile and your eight team mates are all sitting where the Banshee spawns and you’re staring into the middle of the map where the Banshee spawns in Dominion. When you aim your DMR in, you’ll get a red reticule on anyone who attempts to walk through there and be able to clean them up and stop them from going through there entirely.
Now if everyone had a Battle Rifle? You wouldn’t get a red reticule, meaning you’d have no aim assist at all. You are forced to move from your safe spot back and move in on that enemy to kill him.
The DMR can lock down maps a lot better than the BR can. You’re right, it can still dominate maps, but it isn’t even close to what the DMR can do.
The correct choice if we were to use a precision weapon would be the Battle Rifle.
> > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > >
> > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > >
> > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> >
> > The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
>
> I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
Same principle
> > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
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> > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > >
> > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > >
> > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > >
> > > The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
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> > I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
>
> Same principle
Well I’m talking about Big Team Battle, so whatever for the 4v4 stuff. Fact is, DMR kills map movement in an 8v8 environment, but a Battle Rifle doesn’t.
> > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > >
> > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > >
> > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> >
> > the BR can still halt map movement as much as a DMR can, stop overexaggerating …
> >
> >
> > DMR starts would be a much better choice…
>
> Let’s put this into perspective.
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> You’re on Exile and your eight team mates are all sitting where the Banshee spawns and you’re staring into the middle of the map where the Banshee spawns in Dominion. When you aim your DMR in, you’ll get a red reticule on anyone who attempts to walk through there and be able to clean them up and stop them from going through there entirely.
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> Now if everyone had a Battle Rifle? You wouldn’t get a red reticule, meaning you’d have no aim assist at all. You are forced to move from your safe spot back and move in on that enemy to kill him.
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> The DMR can lock down maps a lot better than the BR can. You’re right, it can still dominate maps, but it isn’t even close to what the DMR can do.
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> The correct choice if we were to use a precision weapon would be the Battle Rifle.
that’s like saying we should have Suppressor starts because we need to get closer to the enemy to get kills…
your exaggerating the damage the DMR’s can do, a smart player would head over to cover before being picked off, and if anything that safe spot will screw you over since most of the enemy team will catch on to you…
The DMR isn’t OP like before, you cant COMPLETELY stop movement anymore…
with DMR starts, it’ll be more chaotic, and require you to think out side the box against entrenched enemies…
with BR starts, It’ll be Chaos, Everyone running around trying to get picks out in the open…
That’s not what BTB is about…
> > > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > > >
> > > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > > >
> > > > The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
> > >
> > > I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
> >
> > Same principle
>
> Well I’m talking about Big Team Battle, so whatever for the 4v4 stuff. Fact is, DMR kills map movement in an 8v8 environment, but a Battle Rifle doesn’t.
What I’m getting at is BR’s destroy map movement on 4v4 maps, people want BR starts, why should this be different?
There is only one solution!
LightRifle starts! 
(srsly though, whatever happened to Orange, those were some alright settings)
> > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > >
> > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > >
> > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > >
> > > the BR can still halt map movement as much as a DMR can, stop overexaggerating …
> > >
> > >
> > > DMR starts would be a much better choice…
> >
> > Let’s put this into perspective.
> >
> > You’re on Exile and your eight team mates are all sitting where the Banshee spawns and you’re staring into the middle of the map where the Banshee spawns in Dominion. When you aim your DMR in, you’ll get a red reticule on anyone who attempts to walk through there and be able to clean them up and stop them from going through there entirely.
> >
> > Now if everyone had a Battle Rifle? You wouldn’t get a red reticule, meaning you’d have no aim assist at all. You are forced to move from your safe spot back and move in on that enemy to kill him.
> >
> > The DMR can lock down maps a lot better than the BR can. You’re right, it can still dominate maps, but it isn’t even close to what the DMR can do.
> >
> > The correct choice if we were to use a precision weapon would be the Battle Rifle.
>
> that’s like saying we should have Suppressor starts because we need to get closer to the enemy to get kills…
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> your exaggerating the damage the DMR’s can do, a smart player would head over to cover before being picked off, and if anything that safe spot will screw you over since most of the enemy team will catch on to you…
>
> The DMR isn’t OP like before, you cant COMPLETELY stop movement anymore…
>
> with DMR starts, it’ll be more chaotic, and require you to think out side the box against entrenched enemies…
>
> with BR starts, It’ll be Chaos, Everyone running around trying to get picks out in the open…
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> That’s not what BTB is about…
You can sit in your base in Ragnarok and just wait for enemies to stand on the top middle cliff and pick them off from your base, meaning you don’t need to leave at all as you’re going to get a ‘headglitch’ over them meaning they essentially have no chance of hitting you back.
With the Battle Rifle though, if you want to kill those enemies, you’re going to have to move closer to them and use cover/common knowledge to get towards them safely. All a DMR allows you to do is just sit back, pop shots and kill someone with them having little to no chance of killing you if you get the first shot.
The DMR has a much longer red reticule range and a 3X scope compared to weapons like the Battle Rifle or Carbine. It is still better than any other weapon (minus the LightRifle) in a BTB environment.
The example I used was just that, an example. You could sit against the back wall, have four team mates aiming at the middle section of the map, and two team mates covering each side. The enemy team are completely stopped from entering that middle section of the map purely because of the DMRs range, while the Battle Rifle doesn’t have that kind of power. If you want to lock an enemy team from going into that area, you actually need to go closer to the middle section and be constantly in combat as the fights are constant long range ones.
The Battle Rifle worked perfectly in Halo 3’s BTB (despite the horrid netcode shudders), you were never dominating anyone at a long distance, you were forced to move closer to them.
The DMR is still a powerful weapon, much more powerful than the Battle Rifle or Carbine in the BTB setting, even with it’s reduced red reticule range from the June 3rd rebalance.
> > > > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > > > >
> > > > > The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
> > > >
> > > > I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
> > >
> > > Same principle
> >
> > Well I’m talking about Big Team Battle, so whatever for the 4v4 stuff. Fact is, DMR kills map movement in an 8v8 environment, but a Battle Rifle doesn’t.
>
> What I’m getting at is BR’s destroy map movement on 4v4 maps, people want BR starts, why should this be different?
Why do you think they’ve been so reluctant to put in a BRs gametype?
The Battle Rifle is a better choice for Big Team Battle, heck BTB.net use it as their primary weapon with DMRs, Carbines & LightRifles scattered around the map.
> What I’m getting at is BR’s destroy map movement on 4v4 maps, people want BR starts, why should this be different?
Why do you think they’ve been so reluctant to put in a BRs gametype?
The Battle Rifle is a better choice for Big Team Battle, heck BTB.net use it as their primary weapon with DMRs, Carbines & LightRifles scattered around the map.
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Or have AR and Magnum starts for BTB with BR’s, Carbines, DMR’s and LR’s on map
> > > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > > >
> > > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > > >
> > > > the BR can still halt map movement as much as a DMR can, stop overexaggerating …
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DMR starts would be a much better choice…
> > >
> > > Let’s put this into perspective.
> > >
> > > You’re on Exile and your eight team mates are all sitting where the Banshee spawns and you’re staring into the middle of the map where the Banshee spawns in Dominion. When you aim your DMR in, you’ll get a red reticule on anyone who attempts to walk through there and be able to clean them up and stop them from going through there entirely.
> > >
> > > Now if everyone had a Battle Rifle? You wouldn’t get a red reticule, meaning you’d have no aim assist at all. You are forced to move from your safe spot back and move in on that enemy to kill him.
> > >
> > > The DMR can lock down maps a lot better than the BR can. You’re right, it can still dominate maps, but it isn’t even close to what the DMR can do.
> > >
> > > The correct choice if we were to use a precision weapon would be the Battle Rifle.
> >
> > that’s like saying we should have Suppressor starts because we need to get closer to the enemy to get kills…
> >
> >
> > your exaggerating the damage the DMR’s can do, a smart player would head over to cover before being picked off, and if anything that safe spot will screw you over since most of the enemy team will catch on to you…
> >
> > The DMR isn’t OP like before, you cant COMPLETELY stop movement anymore…
> >
> > with DMR starts, it’ll be more chaotic, and require you to think out side the box against entrenched enemies…
> >
> > with BR starts, It’ll be Chaos, Everyone running around trying to get picks out in the open…
> >
> >
> > That’s not what BTB is about…
>
> You can sit in your base in Ragnarok and just wait for enemies to stand on the top middle cliff and pick them off from your base, meaning you don’t need to leave at all as you’re going to get a ‘headglitch’ over them meaning they essentially have no chance of hitting you back.
>
> With the Battle Rifle though, if you want to kill those enemies, you’re going to have to move closer to them and use cover/common knowledge to get towards them safely. All a DMR allows you to do is just sit back, pop shots and kill someone with them having little to no chance of killing you if you get the first shot.
>
> The DMR has a much longer red reticule range and a 3X scope compared to weapons like the Battle Rifle or Carbine. It is still better than any other weapon (minus the LightRifle) in a BTB environment.
>
> The example I used was just that, an example. You could sit against the back wall, have four team mates aiming at the middle section of the map, and two team mates covering each side. The enemy team are completely stopped from entering that middle section of the map purely because of the DMRs range, while the Battle Rifle doesn’t have that kind of power. If you want to lock an enemy team from going into that area, you actually need to go closer to the middle section and be constantly in combat as the fights are constant long range ones.
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> The Battle Rifle worked perfectly in Halo 3’s BTB (despite the horrid netcode shudders), you were never dominating anyone at a long distance, you were forced to move closer to them.
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> The DMR is still a powerful weapon, much more powerful than the Battle Rifle or Carbine in the BTB setting, even with it’s reduced red reticule range from the June 3rd rebalance.
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> > > > > > > > > Would love to see it happen, although I wouldn’t go as far to replace Big Team Slayer with it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They need to merge BTIS & BTS and rename it to BTB and include a lot more gametypes <mark>like Legendary Slayer (perhaps Legendary BRs?)</mark>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If they were to introduce a Legendary BTB variant it should be DMR starts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I disagree. The DMR can dominate across map while the Battle Rifle can’t. You need to move towards your enemy if you want to kill them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The BR can dominate 4v4 maps, people want BR starts in regular Legendary Slayer
> > > > >
> > > > > I thought we were talking about Big Team Battle here, not 4v4.
> > > >
> > > > Same principle
> > >
> > > Well I’m talking about Big Team Battle, so whatever for the 4v4 stuff. Fact is, DMR kills map movement in an 8v8 environment, but a Battle Rifle doesn’t.
> >
> > What I’m getting at is BR’s destroy map movement on 4v4 maps, people want BR starts, why should this be different?
>
> Why do you think they’ve been so reluctant to put in a BRs gametype?
>
> The Battle Rifle is a better choice for Big Team Battle, heck BTB.net use it as their primary weapon with DMRs, Carbines & LightRifles scattered around the map.
The DMr is a long range weapon, The Br is a close ranged weapon…
Long range= Big Team battle
Short Range= infinity slayer…
all that the battle rifle will do is make a slur of 2v1 or 1v2 battles all over different parts of the map…
If I wanted to get closer to the enemy on a big team map, then I wouldn’t use a close ranged weapon… For in the case were they jump me while i try to move in, I’d like to have a weapon that can work decently in both LONG RANGE AND SHORT RANGE situations…
Thats were the DMR comes in… I can handle myself at long range, and still be able to take out enemies that get to close…
I shouldn’t be forced to retreat to cover because im using a weapon only good in mid to short ranged battles, thats why the DMR is there…
And about those “Campers” you talk about, a smart team can move in on them and take them out easily, thats why the DMR is a good UTILITY weapon…
Stop thinking that it’ll just be a camp fest if we have DMR’s,they arent as bad as before the update…
If anything, DMR’s can help map moment even better than BR’s, since it wont be 1 team moving into another to spawn camp…
> There is only one solution!
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> LightRifle starts!
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> (srsly though, whatever happened to Orange, those were some alright settings)
thi I can agree with, Good long range battles without camping and being able to hold up in CQC fights…
Either this or DMR starts would be perfect
> The example I used was just that, an example. You could sit against the back wall, have four team mates aiming at the middle section of the map, and two team mates covering each side. The enemy team are completely stopped from entering that middle section of the map purely because of the DMRs range, while the Battle Rifle doesn’t have that kind of power.
If a DMR can shoot from a base to the middle, it can likewise shoot from the middle to a base. The underlying fallacy of this argument is you imply only one side is using DMR’s.
The only time it “kills map movement” is if the enemy decides to handicap themselves by using a close range weapon against a long range weapon. Now on Ragnarok, I would admit the middle is at a disadvantage, but only because the middle has less cover than the bases do.
The DMR does limit the necessity for map movement, I will concede that much. But there are plenty of incentives to encourage map movement, such as weapons, powerups, and objectives scattered around the map.
As for 4v4, Magnum starts would be vastly superior to Battle Rifle starts and Assault Rifle starts in regards to map movement and competitive value. Because Magnums are a precision weapon that is still limited at range due to bloom.