This chat is a conversation between a few of the guys at MLG. I feel this is a great discussion piece for the community, especially those of you who are more “casual” players. The Halo community needs to come together, and that starts with binding the rift between the casual and competitive community.
My favorite point is 11:16 from Ghandi.
Other high points:
27 min from a GoW player
Everything Gandhi says I agree with completely.
The same problem occurs in their conversations as here.
ie: sometime around 12min or so;
“Did you enjoy watching any Reach games at all last season?”
“Yes there were a few games I was like OMG for.”
“Really?”
“Yes.”
“You enjoyed every match you saw?”
“No.”
“See, it’s sucks.”
That happens so many times here where an answer causes the question to become more specific than intended to create a non-existent point.
Overall, there are a couple guys who speak well. There are others who don’t know the difference between “introductory” and “competitive” and get the two terms completely confused. And that’s not a good thing.
Remember GoW3 added re-spawning game-types to become more introductory, added drop-in out for casual play and team-to-team play-lists for more hardcore play.
As for bridging the gap between ‘casuals’ and ‘competitives,’ once one realise that it is the player’s view of things on such definitive lines that are perpetuating the non-existent problem, the problem will cease to exist (it’s meant as it’s written, it’s a paradox).
It really is like racism. A person who is racist will recognise racism and define the lines that make it. A person who is non-racist won’t see any lines.
Hate-crime definitions perpetuate racism, they don’t deter them.
I liked how bloom was treated like is new to Reach. I expected someone to have the knowledge and voice to at least state it should be like CE’s Pistol or removed like the TU1 for H2.
But for everyone to act like bloom is new to Reach doesn’t boast my confidence in these player’s opinions of knowing what’s best. I know they know what they like. But the don’t know as much about it as they like to lead on.
And again as for CoD, they suck so much at coding they have to create whole new games every year rather than apply Title Updates. Because of that, BO or MW3 shouldn’t need play-list adjustments out of the gate, they were Beta’d in MW2 and WaW.
The marketing that caused an inflation of their casual popularity has almost nothing to do with the quality of game they put out.
CoD doesn’t do True-Skill. CoD doesn’t do ranked/competitive lists like GoW or Halo. CoD uses bloom, player abilities and drop-in and out play, is played on every damn platform available and is more popular than Halo for it.
And a hint here Costa. If you want to bridge the gap between ‘casuals’ and ‘competitive’ players, don’t state that their conversation is REAL TALK.
They should post here with casuals as a means to bridge the gap to be more serious.
The bigger and better person takes the first step.
Why should I trust players that would contradictorily state “I will do ANYTHING it takes… but I won’t take the first step.”?
> The same problem occurs in their conversations as here.
>
> ie: sometime around 12min or so;
> “Did you enjoy watching any Reach games at all last season?”
> “Yes there were a few games I was like OMG for.”
> “Really?”
> “Yes.”
> “You enjoyed every match you saw?”
> “No.”
> “See, it’s sucks.”
> That happens so many times here where an answer causes the question to become more specific than intended to create a non-existent point.
>
> Overall, there are a couple guys who speak well. There are others who don’t know the difference between “introductory” and “competitive” and get the two terms completely confused. And that’s not a good thing.
> Remember GoW3 added re-spawning game-types to become more introductory.
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> As for bridging the gap between ‘casuals’ and ‘competitives,’ once one realise that it is the player’s view of things on such definitive lines that are perpetuating the non-existent problem, the problem will cease to exist.
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> I liked how bloom was treated like is new to Reach. I expected someone to have the knowledge and voice to at least state it should be like CE’s Pistol or removed like the TU1 for H2.
> But for everyone to act like bloom is new to Reach doesn’t boast my confidence in these player’s opinions of knowing what’s best. I know they know what they like. But the don’t know as much about it as they like to lead on.
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> And again as for CoD, they suck so much at coding they have to create whole new games every year rather than apply Title Updates.
> That marketing that caused an inflation of their casual popularity has almost nothing to do with the quality of game they put out.
> CoD doesn’t do True-Skill. CoD doesn’t do ranked lists like GoW or Halo. CoD uses bloom, player abilities and drop-in and out play, is played on every damn platform available and is more popular than Halo for it.
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> And a hint here Costa. If you want to bridge the gap between ‘casuals’ and ‘competitive’ players, don’t state that their conversation is REAL TALK.
> They should be post here with casuals as a means to bridge the gap to be serious.
> The bigger and better person takes the first step.
> Why should I trust players that would contradictorily state “I will do ANYTHING it takes… but I won’t take the first step.”?
I can’t stand how you so loosely state halo reach bloom=bloom in every other halo game. Using hyperbole over the internet is not a good way to make an argument. You don’t even stop to consider what you call “bloom” many others call spread. That CE was the only precision weapon with spread changing based on ROF, and it really was irrelevant to boot unless you held the trigger down.
It’s so funny to because I know you will post that statement by BS Angel. But who here has heard or even used the word “bloom” before reach?
OT: Agree with everything Gandhi says.
Watch an MLG video where as a “casual” im pretty much guaranteed to be talked down upon and condescended to for 20 minutes? No thanks.
They dont represent me, and they dont represent the community. They represent the for-profit business of MLG.
I consider my self more as a dedicated casual gamer. I would like halo’s competitive side to still be as real as the default. not static and linear.
> Watch an MLG video where as a “casual” im pretty much guaranteed to be talked down upon and condescended to for 20 minutes? No thanks.
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> They dont represent me, and they dont represent the community. They represent the for-profit business of MLG.
Pretty much that, actually.
Now, don’t get me wrong, here: MLG has its niche in Halo. I certainly don’t mind MLG being there, and if they have good, constructive ideas that will benefit the entire community, I’m more than willing to listen to their input. With that in mind, I don’t want MLG to become ‘close-knit’ with the casual community because it’s going to cause a lot of friction between the two.
The only way MLG and the casual community can really co-exist is to keep them seperate. It’s sad to have to say it, but I don’t want some try-hard MLG nut trying to force me to play the game to his specifications, and I’m fairly sure he wouldn’t like me telling him that I want to be able to play the game casually.
I really hate how seperate people are trying to make with the terms “casual” and “competitive”, usually using thier own definition and thinking you have to be one or the other. Talking down to the other side with the aggressional attitude of “Us versus them!”.
I hate it too. I hate the way “casual” is a derogatory term used on the mlg forums to describe what is in fact the vast majority of the playerbase (i prefer the more descriptive “plays-for-fun” You know FUN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS?) And i hate how “competitive” seems to have come to be a derogatory term on these forums, and somewhat of a misnomer considering what sort of gameplay the people describing themselves as competitive are agitating for. I never wanted a divided community, its no good for anyone, but the way things are going perhaps things would be quieter and more civil if we had some sort of Gamers Apartheid.
> I hate it too. I hate the way “casual” is a derogatory term used on the mlg forums to describe what is in fact the vast majority of the playerbase (i prefer the more descriptive “plays-for-fun” You know FUN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS?) And i hate how “competitive” seems to have come to be a derogatory term on these forums, and somewhat of a misnomer considering what sort of gameplay the people describing themselves as competitive are agitating for. I never wanted a divided community, its no good for anyone, but the way things are going perhaps things would be quieter and more civil if we had some sort of Gamers Apartheid.
play for fun is 1 of those dumb statements that bad players tend to use as an excuse.
fun is subjective, if you’re playing a game then you’re playing for fun, whether that be from running around mindlessly to trying your heart out, you’re still playing for fun.
honestly, the MLG organization is fine, they respect everyone and cater things to there needs while providing a means of income for some people, the problem lies with how a vast amount of MLG fans and how they treat MLG.
i’ve come across and played with some decent MLG fans (finally… ) but overall, from what i’ve experienced, they tend to preach MLG is if it’s a religion and care for nothing else but MLG, if some one disagrees or has a different opinion they choose to attack them then instead of being nice and debating about it.
nothing can really be done about this though, MLG can encourage there fans to be nicer but overall nothing will really happen since there is no direct intent or cause, just an effect.
Ask yourself this, what exactly is it about the culture of MLG that attracts those sorts of people to it in droves? You said it yourself, people who actively identify with MLG tend to be unpleasant at best, why is this?
They must know that due to their fanbase theyve got an image problem amongst the majority of halo players, but they seem to either not care or condone this.
> Ask yourself this, what exactly is it about the culture of MLG that attracts those sorts of people to it in droves? You said it yourself, people who actively identify with MLG tend to be unpleasant at best, why is this?
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> They must know that due to their fanbase theyve got an image problem amongst the majority of halo players, but they seem to either not care or condone this.
i understand trash talking in the pre-game lobby because that’s just people trying to intimidate each other.
what i don’t understand is why they force there opinions onto others and are aggressive all the time, even when they aren’t even in matchmaking but chatting in party chat…