After Playing Halo 4’s multiplayer for I guess 20 days now, I think many of you will agree that the Battle Rifle needs to be a 4 shot kill. I say this, because every time I pick up or use the Battle Rifle classic Halo memories come back to me. It’s truly the most fun loadout gun in the game. However, I rarely use the BR because of the DMRs superior qualities. Competitively, Halo 4 is very Darwinist either use the DMR and succeed or don’t and fail trying. The only reason I don’t use the BR is because I care about my K/D, and how I do every match. Frankly, 343i has ruined the BR and I want this patched so that the Br becomes a 4sk. I even ran a test of the killtimes of 4 shot BR vs 5 Shot DMR and they’re close, both have a good chance of winning in a 1v1. So why not make it a 4 shot kill next matchmaking update? Who’s with me on this, should we bring back the 4 shot BR? I say yes.
Whilst i agree with you the DMR is crazly overpowered in comparision with the other weapons, I believe either the BR needs a Buff or the DMR needs several nerfs, maybe an extra DMR shot to kill or higher Bloom. Then again maybe a 4 shot BR will do
I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.
If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
> Whilst i agree with you the DMR is crazly overpowered in comparision with the other weapons, I believe either the BR needs a Buff or the DMR needs several nerfs, maybe an extra DMR shot to kill or higher Bloom. Then again maybe a 4 shot BR will do
I don’t think 6 shot DMR or higher bloom is the answer. Higher bloom= more luck and less skill, so I think 4sk BR is the best answer to this problem.
> I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.
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> If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
I don’t get beaten to often using the BR, since I don’t use it to often. I’m one of those guys who have good aim, and I destroy BR users with the DMRs rate of fire and accuracy. I actually don’t like it since i’d like to play around with the other weapons in the sandbox.
> > I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.
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> > If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
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> I don’t get beaten to often using the BR, since I don’t use it to often. I’m one of those guys who have good aim, and I destroy BR users with the DMRs rate of fire and accuracy. I actually don’t like it since i’d like to play around with the other weapons in the sandbox.
If im understanding you correctly then your simply playing against players that arn’t as good as you. That doesn’t make the DMR better then the BR. And my point still stands buffing the BR would destroy the use of automatics. nerfing the DMR would make it lose even more to the LR and the carbine. The weapons are balanced. The better player always wins regardless of what he is using or what the enemy has.
> > > I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.
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> > > If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
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> > I don’t get beaten to often using the BR, since I don’t use it to often. I’m one of those guys who have good aim, and I destroy BR users with the DMRs rate of fire and accuracy. I actually don’t like it since i’d like to play around with the other weapons in the sandbox.
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> If im understanding you correctly then your simply playing against players that arn’t as good as you. That doesn’t make the DMR better then the BR. And my point still stands buffing the BR would destroy the use of automatics. nerfing the DMR would make it lose even more to the LR and the carbine. The weapons are balanced. The better player always wins regardless of what he is using or what the enemy has.
With players of equal skill, DMR has a higher rate of fire and same damage per shot so it will win every time. Automatics aren’t necessarily worse with a 4 shot BR, they have bleed through to assist them at CQC and already lose to BR/DMR at mid range. The Light Rifle only beats the DMR at long range and this is only because you can’t steady in zoom when the LR shoots at you. The Carbine is a 6 shot kill, it is not better than the DMR. Try using a 4sk BR in a custom game on a stationary target, and tell me if that feels more balanced with the DMR just based on how it feels.
but what about all the other guns in the game? how can a light rifle or a carbine stand a chance against a br? i like the br, but id rather have the dmr nerfed then have the br buffed
> > > > I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.
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> > > > If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
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> > > I don’t get beaten to often using the BR, since I don’t use it to often. I’m one of those guys who have good aim, and I destroy BR users with the DMRs rate of fire and accuracy. I actually don’t like it since i’d like to play around with the other weapons in the sandbox.
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> > If im understanding you correctly then your simply playing against players that arn’t as good as you. That doesn’t make the DMR better then the BR. And my point still stands buffing the BR would destroy the use of automatics. nerfing the DMR would make it lose even more to the LR and the carbine. The weapons are balanced. The better player always wins regardless of what he is using or what the enemy has.
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> With players of equal skill, DMR has a higher rate of fire and same damage per shot so it will win every time. Automatics aren’t necessarily worse with a 4 shot BR, they have bleed through to assist them at CQC and already lose to BR/DMR at mid range. The Light Rifle only beats the DMR at long range and this is only because you can’t steady in zoom when the LR shoots at you. The Carbine is a 6 shot kill, it is not better than the DMR. Try using a 4sk BR in a custom game on a stationary target, and tell me if that feels more balanced with the DMR just based on how it feels.
If we are discussing players of equal skill the DMR will almost always win at long range and the BR will almost always win at close range. Mid range is down to who has the better aim. Its as simple as that. Your fire rate can be faster then mine but if you can’t keep on target you will still lose. If both players keep on target the entire time both players will die resulting in trading of kills. The guy with the BR might hit the ground a little faster then the DMR guy but they both will die.
Bleed through was not enough for automatics in the past. The BR and DMR still out played the automatics because they were 4SK. Now that they are both 5SK they compete well with eachother and the automatics have a good chance in CQC now. Go use a 4SK BR in customs against an AR user. They will lose everytime.
If you can keep your aim, then DMR just dominates at medium range. That’s where most battles happen anyway, and most people use either BR/DMR so the AR vs BR doesn’t matter even if the BR was a 4sk.
> If you can keep your aim, then DMR just dominates at medium range. That’s where most battles happen anyway, and most people use either BR/DMR so the AR vs BR doesn’t matter even if the BR was a 4sk.
It does not. If we are looking at everything based on the stats on not how things actually play. The DMR and BR are on equal ground for medium range. it comes down to player skill then. If players are both equally skilled then its down to who has better aim.
And the ARvsBR does matter. they are both weapons tailored for close engagements. If you refuse to look at how it will effect other guns then you don’t even know the meaning of balance. It doesn’t matter if there are more BR users then AR’s people still use the weapon and it would be unfair against them. As it stands right now every weapon is good in its own right because they all have their own roles. And the better player will win.
Yes buff the BR because BR fanboys think that their favorite gun should also be the best and leave no room for others.
Dumbest reason I’ve seen so far concerning weapon balancing between the loadout weapons.
> I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. <mark>Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.</mark>
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> If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
OH NOES! THE AUTOMATICS!!! I FORGOT HOW HARD IT WAS TO PRESS MY FINGER ON A TRIGGER AND HOLD IT WITHOUT MUCH AIMING…
> Yes buff the BR because BR fanboys think that their favorite gun should also be the best and leave no room for others.
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> Dumbest reason I’ve seen so far concerning weapon balancing between the loadout weapons.
Buff the BR because it has always been a 4 shot. DMR was a 5 shot in Reach, so it should stay like that. The AR has always been inferior, so it should stay like that.
> > I have been playing since launch. Pretty using the BR exclusively and i disagree. The DMR is not “vastly superior.” The only time i pick up a DMR is if i run out of ammo or if i am playing big team. (but as soon as i master the LR ill never put the DMR in my load out again.) The only time a DMR beats my BR is i have sloppy aim or if we are at long range. <mark>Turning the BR into a $SK would make it too powerful in close ranges making the automatics once again pointless to use.</mark>
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> > If the DMR is reg. beating you then chances are the player is either mor accurate or just over all better then you. of all the issues halo 4 has right now weapon balance is not one of them.
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> OH NOES! THE AUTOMATICS!!! I FORGOT HOW HARD IT WAS TO PRESS MY FINGER ON A TRIGGER AND HOLD IT WITHOUT MUCH AIMING…
Doesn’t matter how hard it is. Its not much harder to 4 shot or 5 shot. People like using automatics. Their weapons diserve to be good just as much as other weapons. How about next time you actually come up with an argument instead of acting immature. Its embarassing.
It should be the boss at mid range like the DMR is the boss at long range… That has been my point! As it stands, the DMR is the boss at all ranges. Go figure!!!
@Bean Head200
You’re a simpleton. How about you get off your high horse and try expanding your weapon usage you BK.
-Yoinking!- tryhards are ruining the game’s integrity. The reason 343i added the customizable loadouts is so that all the loadout weapons can do well in its range or “niche”. The AR is slightly better than the BR at close ranges. With that being said, I like the role the BR plays. Even though it still dominates most maps, the weapon balance feels mostly right.
Back to the topic, I think the BR is fine. The DMR needs a nerf, and a slight one, not the mega nerf the community wants. It dominates at the medium range, especially in Infinity Slayer.
If we buff the BR, it’ll go back tothe days to where everyone used the BR because it was the super weapon, and I’d hate for that to happen to a game where they tried to innovate. But alas you will always have those who can’t move on, who hold on to the past, and thought that the Halo 4 BR will be as dominant as the H2 one.
I think giving the BR a 4 shot kill would unbalance it in the other direction. The DMR is not so powerful that the BR needs one less shot to kill with. I find the BR is actually a lot better than the DMR…maybe because I’m biased towards it. But i do agree that the DMR is a little overpowered long range. It’s like a mini sniper rifle. Plus its the bastardized child of a half -Yoinked!- Halo game that took place before Halo CE. So why is it even in Halo 4
I think if the rate of fire for the DMR was lower it would even things out nicely. But then again I do really miss perfect 4 shots. It rolls off the tongue better than saying perfect 5 shot…doesn’t it?