This is a discussion about the battle rifle. I think it is too easy to use, not overpowered, just far too easy to use. The case against each other starting load out precision weapon: it wins 1 at close range, the burst is extremely effective at close range, which is not really the problem, the problem is that when you get to the hardest part, getting the headshot after the shields are down, the user of the BR has a great advantage. Only one of the 3 shots in a burst is needed, allowing the user to simply sweep across the head of an opponent, as where every other percussion must place a single shot, save the light rifle, but is justified because of the light rifles slow ROF and high damage,nit should be able to, also it’s only available at short range in the first place. Case and point: the battle rifle is far too easy to use, and should be brought to the same difficulty of use level as the other starting precision weapons, this way, skill will be the deciding factor between two load out percision weapon users, rather than weapon choice. The solution: make the battle rifle require at least 2 if not 3 of the shots from the burst hit the head for a headshot, similar to SWAT. Please post your thoughts and possibly help make this heard.
EDIT: People have been saying that the dmr outclasses the BR…anything else? Maybe the dmr needs to be nerfed as well? Or just the carbine, light rifle, and perhaps the BR(mildly) all just need a buff to catch up with the dmr? I’m not saying its impossible to win with these weapons, but they take considerably more skill and percision with a sprinkle of luck. Please vote on this now.
Well then your dumb. Haha jk, but how could you ignore the sweep over head headshot? This has put me on the short end of the stick many times using the light rifle, especially at long range.
That’s the built in advantage of the gun though. It brings it up to par with the light rifle, which does massive damage whilst zoomed, and the DMR which is just stupendous at range. Without that advantage, I don’t think there would be much use for the gun. On maps of any medium~large size, the BR is good for nothing except bumping people out of scope (WAIT A MINUTE?!?!).
But seriously.
The BR, as far as I’m concerned, is the best gun for gametypes like SWAT, because oft that small advantage.
I mean, the DMR can kill in five shots, the LR in four (assuming you are skilled with the weapons). The BR, then, fits in-between them I feel. I generally get a mix of head and body shots with it as I use it in medium~short range encounters. Which means I can spam the trigger and do just fine. Something that the LR and DMR cannot do because of their limitations.
The BR has a nice niche right now, I don’t know if I would be super willing to upset the balance between the three.
Yes, i agree with some of your points but take this into account: two people at very far range, on with a br and one with a light rifle of carbine, once the shields are down, the br user has triple the chance of hitting the head. Another instance, someone with a carbine or dmr or even a light rifle encounters someone with a br and the sweep headshot ability will give a serious advantage, also the br has faster ROF than the light rifle and slightly faster than the dmr, that itself can balance it with those two. Just one more shot from the burst would make it much more fair, i know this because i was able to switch to the br and attain headshot kills a decent amount easier than the light rifle.
You realize the br has a slower kill time than the dmr correct? Whenever I see an opponent with a br I immediately push them knowing I will win the fight as long as I land my shots with the dmr. Dmr beats the br at all ranges, including close to mid range, if you land your shots, which isnt hard in this game. The br needs to be buffed to a 4sk if anything to compete with the dmr.
You are correct (dmr has a 1.73s kill time assuming headshot attained, while BR has 1.8) but you have to take in account it’s much easier to pull off the final headshot with BR, I’m arguing ease of use not strength, and what about the carbine and light rifle? Zoomed out the light rifle has a kill time of 2.02s whit all headshots, zoomed in it has a 1.65s but the difficulty makes it all the worse. The carbine has a kill time of 1.78 IF you miraculously hit every shot, which is like hitting every shot with a warthhog turret. It’s unfair for those who don’t want to use those starting weapons, BR is so much more versatile.
so DMR has perfect acurracy and shoots 1 bullet with a 1.6 kill time, BR1.73 sec kill time that one bullet is pretty much the only reason why not everyone uses the DMR only.
I love the BR but…it’s nice on Swat because of no shields. With Shields involved, the BR requires the user to land all three bullets in the burst to equate into one DMR bullet. Except that, with strafes and player faults in aim doesn’t always you’re landing every shot. That’s why the DMR usually wins unless he/she chokes and why it really is the better gun (having testing out myself instead of jumping to conclusions pre launch).
Still, the BR is more fun to use.
The BR doesn’t need a nerf. Oh god no. People asking for that must be the same ones who think the automatics need be nerfed and the DMR needs Reach bloom -.-’
I think the BR needs to be buffed personally, maybe to a 4-shot kill. I use the DMR on just about every map, even SWAT. The fact that it can aim assist a headshot from a greater distance and the fact that the BR’s shots come out so fast that it hardly matters if there’s a spread make the DMR the superior choice.
> You are correct (dmr has a 1.73s kill time assuming headshot attained, while BR has 1.8) but you have to take in account it’s much easier to pull off the final headshot with BR, I’m arguing ease of use not strength, and what about the carbine and light rifle? Zoomed out the light rifle has a kill time of 2.02s whit all headshots, zoomed in it has a 1.65s but the difficulty makes it all the worse. The carbine has a kill time of 1.78 IF you miraculously hit every shot, which is like hitting every shot with a warthhog turret. It’s unfair for those who don’t want to use those starting weapons, BR is so much more versatile.
all of your arguments are based on when the shields are down. this little quirk of the BR is its only saving grace, as of right now the DMR smashes it at any range. you probably got outskilled by some BR users, go use it yourself vs 4 DMRs in Slayer, come back here and try to tell me it needs nerfed. the only time its better is SWAT, and even then its only at mid range.
I used every weapon for 2 hours of gameplay and I used the weapon that I thought would be the most fun and take the most skill, I still do well with a 1.1kd(with light rifle, carbine before I unlocked LR) but I just thought that when I used the BR it was just too easy, perhaps it was just me who found that. But what you guys don’t see is that your comparing it to dmr, the second easiest percision weapon to the BR what about the light rifle and carbine? It’s unfair for them to go against BR AND dmr in many cases, maybe the dmr and BR both need a nerf, or the LR and Carbine need a buff.
All my calculations were done with full shields shooting at the head from point blank at max speed with 100% accuracy, then at about 25m with the same conditions, and repeated 14 times on each to allow for human error, then averaged. Trust me, they’re at least mildly accurate. I don’t speak without proper facts, at least I try not to.
