Banshee

Games Other Halo
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Let’s get really honest here. One of the major factors that the TU has left out and has yet to be addressed over multiple Halo games is the Banshee. Specifically in multiplayer where the fact still remains that within certain hands this vehicle is unkilliable and makes most people want to walk away from the game entirely.

So 343I, within your untold amounts of wisdom, what do you plan to do about this vehicle to reduce the amount of abuse that has come from this aspect of the game? I’m sincerely tired of seeing this being so abused that it makes the DMR bloom look like child’s play.

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i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach

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I do not think that it’s that the banshee is not a viable option to this game but the fact that there needs to be a reduction/penalty for boosting too much and using the bomb. It’s absurd to completely ignore that it is a huge problem with reach.

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well perhaps it would be better that they removed the banshee’s bomb function in BTB. that seems to me the cause of about 60 percent of spawn camping. some noob wouldnt be able to score instakills after that, even at the enemy spawn

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> i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach

same, there nothing ‘skillful’ or ‘pro’ about banshee bomb, roll, banshee bomb, roll…

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> > i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach
>
> same, there nothing ‘skillful’ or ‘pro’ about banshee bomb, roll, banshee bomb, roll…

someone who agrees with me O.o thats a first lol people will defend the use of the banshee for spawn killing by saying its “map control”. no! NOT! the banshee can fly to the enemy base in seconds, so the map control theory is busted. spawn killers as u said arent skillful. my friends and i have a name for those self proclaimed pros… COWARDS!

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The bomb isn’t the problem - rather how often it can flip is. If the tricks drew from the boost gauge (which would also take longer to recharge) I feel that the Banshee would be weakened enough.

Although at the same time I also feel that it’s fine as is. Only very skilled pilots can keep it alive for any length of time at high level play between two teams and great pilots are few and far between. :-/

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> Let’s get really honest here. One of the major factors that the TU has left out and has yet to be addressed over multiple Halo games is the Banshee. Specifically in multiplayer where the fact still remains that within certain hands this vehicle is unkilliable and makes most people want to walk away from the game entirely.
>
> So 343I, within your untold amounts of wisdom, what do you plan to do about this vehicle to reduce the amount of abuse that has come from this aspect of the game? I’m sincerely tired of seeing this being so abused that it makes the DMR bloom look like child’s play.

honestly when the TU comes around you can just shoot it down with a dmr, its actually pretty effective against the banshee and if you and another teamate focus your fire on it, it will be on the ground before you know it :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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The Banshee is a giant pain in the butt in Elite slayer.

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In your OP you said “in certain hands.”

What that means is that you have to be GOOD in order to destroy players with the banshee. What you are suggesting is to nerf the bnshee so that no matter the skill of a player they are limited as to how much they can do in a banshee.

This is the OPPOSITE direction Halo needs to go. Limiting the skill of a player so others can feel good is pathetic.

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Just let me have the Banshee and I will get shot down in seconds. I hardly play BTB but when I do I haven’t really ever had an issue with it. I usually just shoot it down. Goes down pretty easy.

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Increase the Banshee Bomb cooldown to 7-8 seconds. Problem fixed?

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The Banshee wasn’t remotely a problem in Halo 3. I don’t know why they bothered to change it so damn drastically.

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I got it figured out right here. Remove banshee bomb, the banshee is still powerful with its turret but is not “anti everything”

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> > > i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach
> >
> > same, there nothing ‘skillful’ or ‘pro’ about banshee bomb, roll, banshee bomb, roll…
>
> someone who agrees with me O.o thats a first lol people will defend the use of the banshee for spawn killing by saying its “map control”. no! NOT! the banshee can fly to the enemy base in seconds, so the map control theory is busted. spawn killers as u said arent skillful. my friends and i have a name for those self proclaimed pros… COWARDS!

You are a coward. Spawn killers are the MOST skillful. They defeated your entire team back to your spawns, and then kept you from spawning to get a win. Its called tactics. Its called map control. How?

Map control is to take all the places there are that can help you win the game.
They took every space, so thats map control.
They took power weapons? Who’s fault is that? Theirs? No. Yours for letting them take it.
It is skillful in bomb, roll, bomb roll, in that people spawn with anti tank weapons.
The Banshee is a 30 shot kill from a DMR. You are a fool for not trying.
It takes skill to pilot a banshee. Why? You have so many things trying to evade. Power weapons, turrets, heck, the weapon people spawn with!

Now, lets talk about spawn killing, and skill.
They were the more skillful ones.
They beat your entire team back to your base, taking every location. They managed to get a power vehicle. They managed to kill you over and over.
What else did they manage to do?
They managed to have fun. How? They earned it. They deserve it after pwning your sorry little team so badly. You feel like they cheated? No problem! You are arrogant, and you will not see anything else other than the fact that they cheated. It doesn’t matter.

Map control. What is map control?
In some games, in some maps, Map control is to dominate the best location with the best weapons, so as to be able to win the game easily. Lets say it was a hill. You got the the top, you got the rockets, you can beat everyone going up. However, you can now be taken down by snipers. Everything has a weakness.
Now, in BTB, it is about taking the things you need to win.
They took the entire map and dominated. It was a big map. They had to.

Now, lets see what you said. They are unskillful, and required a broken vehicle to win.
Vehicle broken? Yah. I mean, what kind of vehicle gets killed from 30 shots of a weapon you have at spawn??? To fix this, they added the rickroll. Roll roll roll. So? Its as big as a whale, all you need is 30 shots. Anyone with skill can do it.
Unskillful? Nope. Lets see…
Who lost the battle in the middle of the map? Your team.
Who lost the power vehicles? Your team.
Who lost the power weapons? Your team.
Who got dominated back to their spawn? Your team.
Why did you fail so much? The other team was better than you, and managed to kill you enough times to surround your spawns.

You are unskillful. You are arrogant. You will not change.
You are just like a 3 year old - You want everything, and you can’t stand it if 1 thing goes wrong.

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Have your team concentrate fire. If they’re too busy being shot by everyone else on the other team to worry about the Banshee, you may as well just quit.

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> > > > i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach
> > >
> > > same, there nothing ‘skillful’ or ‘pro’ about banshee bomb, roll, banshee bomb, roll…
> >
> > someone who agrees with me O.o thats a first lol people will defend the use of the banshee for spawn killing by saying its “map control”. no! NOT! the banshee can fly to the enemy base in seconds, so the map control theory is busted. spawn killers as u said arent skillful. my friends and i have a name for those self proclaimed pros… COWARDS!
>
> You are a coward. Spawn killers are the MOST skillful. They defeated your entire team back to your spawns, and then kept you from spawning to get a win. Its called tactics. Its called map control. How?
>
> Map control is to take all the places there are that can help you win the game.
> They took every space, so thats map control.
> They took power weapons? Who’s fault is that? Theirs? No. Yours for letting them take it.
> It is skillful in bomb, roll, bomb roll, in that people spawn with anti tank weapons.
> The Banshee is a 30 shot kill from a DMR. You are a fool for not trying.
> It takes skill to pilot a banshee. Why? You have so many things trying to evade. Power weapons, turrets, heck, the weapon people spawn with!
>
> Now, lets talk about spawn killing, and skill.
> They were the more skillful ones.
> They beat your entire team back to your base, taking every location. They managed to get a power vehicle. They managed to kill you over and over.
> What else did they manage to do?
> They managed to have fun. How? They earned it. They deserve it after pwning your sorry little team so badly. You feel like they cheated? No problem! You are arrogant, and you will not see anything else other than the fact that they cheated. It doesn’t matter.
>
> Map control. What is map control?
> In some games, in some maps, Map control is to dominate the best location with the best weapons, so as to be able to win the game easily. Lets say it was a hill. You got the the top, you got the rockets, you can beat everyone going up. However, you can now be taken down by snipers. Everything has a weakness.
> Now, in BTB, it is about taking the things you need to win.
> They took the entire map and dominated. It was a big map. They had to.
>
> Now, lets see what you said. They are unskillful, and required a broken vehicle to win.
> Vehicle broken? Yah. I mean, what kind of vehicle gets killed from 30 shots of a weapon you have at spawn??? To fix this, they added the rickroll. Roll roll roll. So? Its as big as a whale, all you need is 30 shots. Anyone with skill can do it.
> Unskillful? Nope. Lets see…
> Who lost the battle in the middle of the map? Your team.
> Who lost the power vehicles? Your team.
> Who lost the power weapons? Your team.
> Who got dominated back to their spawn? Your team.
> Why did you fail so much? The other team was better than you, and managed to kill you enough times to surround your spawns.
>
> You are unskillful. You are arrogant. You will not change.
> You are just like a 3 year old - You want everything, and you can’t stand it if 1 thing goes wrong.

LOL The thing is, I agree with one thing, yet disagree with another thing as well. The rest was just nonsense (No offense). What I agree with is how the Dmr destroys the banshee instead of taking the damage straight to the player. In Halo 3, the BR did that. It only damaged the health, not the vehicle. (Except if you shot the anti-grav pods.) What I disagreed with, however, was your belief that bomb, roll, bomb, roll was “tactics”. I’m sorry but that is not a fact, whether you like it or not. In fact, in Reach settings, tactics don’t even work as well as in the other Halo’s.

Here are my opinions and I really would like people’s opinions on my suggestions. Maybe if this gets the banshee balanced, people will actually LIKE the banshee:

Remove Bomb Lock-On - Since the banshee is in anniversary, it would make sense to remove bomb lock-on like Halo: CE.

Slightly Reduce Bomb Travel Time - Bomb is too quick and very noob-friendly.

Reduce Bomb Splash Damage - Make it just like Halo 3’s banshee bomb splash damage.

Resistance against Gauss, Scorpion and DMR - Make it a 3sk for the gauss against banshee, 15sk for the DMR to kill THE PLAYER ONLY, not the vehicle itself, and two shots for the scorpion like in Halo 3. (Maybe?)

I think that in the end my suggestions make the banshee almost exactly like the one in Halo 3. Opinions? Suggestions?

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> > > > i would really like to see the banshee removed from Big Team Battle all together. spawn killing would decrease instantly, and the list population would likely increase. BTB would still be playable w/o it. there are other vehicles in reach
> > >
> > > same, there nothing ‘skillful’ or ‘pro’ about banshee bomb, roll, banshee bomb, roll…
> >
> > someone who agrees with me O.o thats a first lol people will defend the use of the banshee for spawn killing by saying its “map control”. no! NOT! the banshee can fly to the enemy base in seconds, so the map control theory is busted. spawn killers as u said arent skillful. my friends and i have a name for those self proclaimed pros… COWARDS!
>
> You are a coward. Spawn killers are the MOST skillful. They defeated your entire team back to your spawns, and then kept you from spawning to get a win. Its called tactics. Its called map control. How?
>
> Map control is to take all the places there are that can help you win the game.
> They took every space, so thats map control.
> They took power weapons? Who’s fault is that? Theirs? No. Yours for letting them take it.
> It is skillful in bomb, roll, bomb roll, in that people spawn with anti tank weapons.
> The Banshee is a 30 shot kill from a DMR. You are a fool for not trying.
> It takes skill to pilot a banshee. Why? You have so many things trying to evade. Power weapons, turrets, heck, the weapon people spawn with!
>
> Now, lets talk about spawn killing, and skill.
> They were the more skillful ones.
> They beat your entire team back to your base, taking every location. They managed to get a power vehicle. They managed to kill you over and over.
> What else did they manage to do?
> They managed to have fun. How? They earned it. They deserve it after pwning your sorry little team so badly. You feel like they cheated? No problem! You are arrogant, and you will not see anything else other than the fact that they cheated. It doesn’t matter.
>
> Map control. What is map control?
> In some games, in some maps, Map control is to dominate the best location with the best weapons, so as to be able to win the game easily. Lets say it was a hill. You got the the top, you got the rockets, you can beat everyone going up. However, you can now be taken down by snipers. Everything has a weakness.
> Now, in BTB, it is about taking the things you need to win.
> They took the entire map and dominated. It was a big map. They had to.
>
> Now, lets see what you said. They are unskillful, and required a broken vehicle to win.
> Vehicle broken? Yah. I mean, what kind of vehicle gets killed from 30 shots of a weapon you have at spawn??? To fix this, they added the rickroll. Roll roll roll. So? Its as big as a whale, all you need is 30 shots. Anyone with skill can do it.
> Unskillful? Nope. Lets see…
> Who lost the battle in the middle of the map? Your team.
> Who lost the power vehicles? Your team.
> Who lost the power weapons? Your team.
> Who got dominated back to their spawn? Your team.
> Why did you fail so much? The other team was better than you, and managed to kill you enough times to surround your spawns.
>
> You are unskillful. You are arrogant. You will not change.
> You are just like a 3 year old - You want everything, and you can’t stand it if 1 thing goes wrong.

i stopped reading that garbage after you called it skillful. an overpowered weapon will always be overpowered regardless of health factors. i have seen so many threads complaining about poor map design, poor balance, screwed up spawns, and yet people still claim its skillfull to spawn kill period on what has to be the WORST made set of maps in halo period. there is no skill factor in this game. this is a game of luck, skill like it used to be