As seen in Halo Wars 2 and mentioned briefly in a Halo book (I forgot the title of) the Banished are a large force that has been against the Covenant for awhile and seem to not like humanity either way. Do you think they should be our new permanent enemy within the franchise/universe? Seeing how the Covenant fell and whatever Remnants are left are “possibly” not large enough to be considered a full threat. In my opinion, it’d be cool to see the Banished take a more excessive role into the story line. What do you guys think? Should the Banished be our new perm. enemy? Or should another Covenant Remnant arise?
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Note: This is assuming that the Banished are not defeated in Halo Wars 2. (Hence, I hope they are victorious)
We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
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> > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
Yep, fighting elites on heroic is probably the best thing you can do on halo 4/5.
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> > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
Well because they weren’t that well received there could be less prometheans in halo 6. Created forces have also all aliens and humans who have joined them.
Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> > > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> > Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
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> Well because they weren’t that well received there could be less prometheans in halo 6. Created forces have also all aliens and humans who have joined them.
Where has it been said that any humans joined with the created
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> > > > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > > > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > > > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > > > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> > > Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
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> > Well because they weren’t that well received there could be less prometheans in halo 6. Created forces have also all aliens and humans who have joined them.
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> Where has it been said that any humans joined with the created
I’m just assuming there must be at least some. The offer is just too good to be refused by everyone. AI’s are immensely intelligent beings and they will find ways to get followers.
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> > > > > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > > > > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > > > > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > > > > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
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> > > > Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
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> > > Well because they weren’t that well received there could be less prometheans in halo 6. Created forces have also all aliens and humans who have joined them.
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> > Where has it been said that any humans joined with the created
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> I’m just assuming there must be at least some. The offer is just too good to be refused by everyone. AI’s are immensely intelligent beings and they will find ways to get followers.
The only confirmed beings to join the created are the grunts from balaho,let’s not get too ahead of ourselves as to who else possibly joined
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> > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
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> > > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> > Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
Yes. But it is not impossible. They may be forced to do so. Atriox is said to be intelligent and he might take the deal if alternative is death. There would be delicious tensions between characters.
Think about it. Banished do everything not to be part of the covenant but still end up under the created. Atriox would be furious but he would have to supress his feelings and wait for the right moment to stab Cortana in the back. I’ve been thinking Davy Jones from pirates of caribbean as he was forced to work for the East India Trading Company.
It’s just a possibility and I just think it is not impossible to bring Banished somehow to halo 6.
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> > > > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > > > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> > > Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> > Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
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> Yes. But it is not impossible. They may be forced to do so. Atriox is said to be intelligent and he might take the deal if alternative is death. There would be delicious tensions between characters.
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> Think about it. Banished do everything not to be part of the covenant but still end up under the created. Atriox would be furious but he would have to supress his feelings and wait for the right moment to stab Cortana in the back. I’ve been thinking Davy Jones from pirates of caribbean as he was forced to work for the East India Trading Company.
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> It’s just a possibility and I just think it is not impossible to bring Banished somehow to halo 6.
The punishment for not submitting to the Created has been hinted to be getting Composed, not death.
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> > > > > > We need another faction based from many species, just like the covies, so I agree the Banished should take this role.
> > > > > > However, 343i seemed to reduce the amount of time spent fighting covie remnants to make more room for prometheans as well as killing off Jul and his faction quickly.
> > > > > > This could have been because 343i wanted to "banish" them so they could have the Created as the main enemy, perhaps even the only enemy.
> > > > > > It seems unlikely that the Banished will be the main, permanent enemy in future halo games (Not following the SoF/HW).
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the Created and left over Prometheans will most likely be the enemies in Halo 6. Very unfortunate to be fighting computerized enemies rather than living creatures…
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> > > > Well because they weren’t that well received there could be less prometheans in halo 6. Created forces have also all aliens and humans who have joined them.
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> > > Where has it been said that any humans joined with the created
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> > I’m just assuming there must be at least some. The offer is just too good to be refused by everyone. AI’s are immensely intelligent beings and they will find ways to get followers.
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> The only confirmed beings to join the created are the grunts from balaho,let’s not get too ahead of ourselves as to who else possibly joined
Yes they are the only confirmed faction to join the Created but it would be stupid to assume that there wouldn’t be induviduals in ever race who support Created who campaign with catchphrase “Make the galaxy great again!”
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> > > > > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > > > > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> > > > Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> > > Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
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> > Yes. But it is not impossible. They may be forced to do so. Atriox is said to be intelligent and he might take the deal if alternative is death. There would be delicious tensions between characters.
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> > Think about it. Banished do everything not to be part of the covenant but still end up under the created. Atriox would be furious but he would have to supress his feelings and wait for the right moment to stab Cortana in the back. I’ve been thinking Davy Jones from pirates of caribbean as he was forced to work for the East India Trading Company.
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> > It’s just a possibility and I just think it is not impossible to bring Banished somehow to halo 6.
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> The punishment for not submitting to the Created has been hinted to be getting Composed, not death.
Well that doesn’t make any difference though and It propably isn’t any better fate than the death though. I’m sure fighting Created may also get you killed long before anybody brings a composer. But I don’t think it is relevant to the subject anyway.
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> > > > > > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > > > > > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> > > > > Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> > > > Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
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> > > Yes. But it is not impossible. They may be forced to do so. Atriox is said to be intelligent and he might take the deal if alternative is death. There would be delicious tensions between characters.
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> > > Think about it. Banished do everything not to be part of the covenant but still end up under the created. Atriox would be furious but he would have to supress his feelings and wait for the right moment to stab Cortana in the back. I’ve been thinking Davy Jones from pirates of caribbean as he was forced to work for the East India Trading Company.
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> > > It’s just a possibility and I just think it is not impossible to bring Banished somehow to halo 6.
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> > The punishment for not submitting to the Created has been hinted to be getting Composed, not death.
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> Well that doesn’t make any difference though and It propably isn’t any better fate than the death though. I’m sure fighting Created may also get you killed long before anybody brings a composer. But I don’t think it is relevant to the subject anyway.
We’ll agree to disagree. Brutes and Elites, being warrior races, seem like the kind to chose death over subjugation. In the Covenant, both were brainwashed by the Prophets into thinking that serving the Covenant would lead to immortality and transcendence, so that could explain why they took orders from the Prophets; because they believed something greater would come of it.
The whole point of the Banished was that they would be loyal only to each other and themselves, and that they would follow only their own free will. Subjugation under the Created undermines the very spirit of the Banished. Given that the Banished risked their lives to separate from the Covenant, I highly doubt they would allow the Created to control them.
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> > > > > > > Not really. From what we understand about the Banished, they are a splinter group that has survived against the Covenant using guerrilla warfare. Against the full force of either the SoS or the UNSC, I’m not sure they could win.
> > > > > > > That being said, introducing the Banished into the main Halo games before resolving this issue with the Created (adequately, not just “oh now their gone”) would be bad.
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> > > > > > Even small group can be potentially dangerous if it takes controll of powerful forerunner technology. One way to bring banished to main games is to make them join Created. 343 just have to make it happen so it doesn’t feel forced.
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> > > > > Based on what we know about The Banished and Atriox, I doubt they would submit to a group of AI desiring to rule the universe through force.
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> > > > Yes. But it is not impossible. They may be forced to do so. Atriox is said to be intelligent and he might take the deal if alternative is death. There would be delicious tensions between characters.
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> > > > Think about it. Banished do everything not to be part of the covenant but still end up under the created. Atriox would be furious but he would have to supress his feelings and wait for the right moment to stab Cortana in the back. I’ve been thinking Davy Jones from pirates of caribbean as he was forced to work for the East India Trading Company.
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> > > > It’s just a possibility and I just think it is not impossible to bring Banished somehow to halo 6.
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> > > The punishment for not submitting to the Created has been hinted to be getting Composed, not death.
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> > Well that doesn’t make any difference though and It propably isn’t any better fate than the death though. I’m sure fighting Created may also get you killed long before anybody brings a composer. But I don’t think it is relevant to the subject anyway.
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> We’ll agree to disagree. Brutes and Elites, being warrior races, seem like the kind to chose death over subjugation. In the Covenant, both were brainwashed by the Prophets into thinking that serving the Covenant would lead to immortality and transcendence, so that could explain why they took orders from the Prophets; because they believed something greater would come of it.
> The whole point of the Banished was that they would be loyal only to each other and themselves, and that they would follow only their own free will. Subjugation under the Created undermines the very spirit of the Banished. Given that the Banished risked their lives to separate from the Covenant, I highly doubt they would allow the Created to control them.
That’s very good point. But if it were to somehow happen things could get very interesting. The real question is if they choose death over possibly temporarily allying with the created and maybe even trying to use them to grow stronger. You have to remember they propably don’t believe in the afterlife.
I think it’s very likely and possible they may have plans for them in the mainline story arc past HW2, yes… and would I personally be for it? Yes, they are a much more fascinating antagonist to me than the Created will ever be. (At least in the Created’s current form.)
But, I will say they need to resolve the Created arc properly and completely before dropping them, though, much as I dislike them.