I really dislike that the BR is a weapon that I have to wait to spawn for. The magnum is a good starting weapon, but if you want a game to be competitive, a BR start is ideal. Along with this, I would suggest nerfing all automatics at range. The AR, Storm Rifle, and Suppressor all have proper kill times at close range, but they shoudnt do as much damage as they do at range.
I believe getting back to the fundamentals of an arena shooter was the idea, but messing with the skill gap that was once in halo, and what halo was known for wasn’t a good idea. The spawn weapons being changed along with increasing the damage drop off for automatics would really make this game a lot of fun, and restore a lot of the skill gap that has seemingly been removed by simple game design flaws.
BR’s get over used too much if you really want it fight for it. I like that we dont spawn with them even though i do see your point. The suppressor and storm rifle are far more stronger at range than the AR is. In order to really do damage afar with the AR you need to burst it unlike the SR (Storm Rifle) and suppressor you can hold down the trigger and spray and kill at long range.
I great suggestion would to have social slayer and ranked slayer in social keep AR and pistol starts and in ranked use BR and pistol starts. However i do remember back on the beta when they gave us BR starts it was so annoying plays would just wait for someone else to move then all four teammates would burst the guy down. What i beleive 343 is attempting to do is force players to move around the map more and cause great disputes over power weapons and weapon spawns. The BR spawns pretty quickly after its been picked up so those who needed it should be fine.
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> I really dislike that the BR is a weapon that I have to wait to spawn for. The magnum is a good starting weapon, but if you want a game to be competitive, a BR start is ideal. Along with this, I would suggest nerfing all automatics at range. The AR, Storm Rifle, and Suppressor all have proper kill times at close range, but they shoudnt do as much damage as they do at range.
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> I believe getting back to the fundamentals of an arena shooter was the idea, but messing with the skill gap that was once in halo, and what halo was known for wasn’t a good idea. The spawn weapons being changed along with increasing the damage drop off for automatics would really make this game a lot of fun, and restore a lot of the skill gap that has seemingly been removed by simple game design flaws.
The major reason why this would be a bad thing is because of the camping that would be done trust me from one who experienced it, the game gets boring rather quickly of everyone is in a corner with a BR just waiting.
A simple playlist for BR starts would fix this. I like BR starts, and I like starting without and fighting for them. I can see both sides, but to force everyone in all playlist to start with BR would render quite a few of the other weapons in the game useless. The Magnum already is hurting that area as it is.
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> Trust me, unless you love extreme camping BR starts are not a good idea.
Halo 2 and 3 both were rated better than this game in competitive multiplayer, with almost the same BR kill times. Camping would not be the issue, because with range you can cut off angles, trap someone in an area, and then resolve the issue with nades, or pre-firing. I have well over 300 days of halo played, most of which was in competitive playlists. I like a game that requires thought before movement, not a game that is always about senseless pressuring of spawns and constant cycling. BR starts would make this game a lot better trust me.
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> A simple playlist for BR starts would fix this. I like BR starts, and I like starting without and fighting for them. I can see both sides, but to force everyone in all playlist to start with BR would render quite a few of the other weapons in the game useless. The Magnum already is hurting that area as it is.
That’s the point though… From an abstract idea, you should be rewarded for using more skillful weapons. If this makes automatics and easy kill weapons useless that would be a good thing for a competitive game.
Do you actually think the Assault Rifle is to Strong?
the gun is horrible at all ranges. Out classed by Pistols at all ranges. Out Classed at close range by the SMG. Even at midrange the smg is superior.
The AR should be buffed or give it a Tighter spread. Its an All Around Garbage weapon right now. Id be happier with just a pistol, so i didnt have to press Y every time I spawn or so i wouldn’t have to waste time switching to that piece of garbage to pick up a better weapon.
You won’t get any love for the br starts here (although I love it). People think map control is camping when in reality it isn’t. The only reason people claim that br starts is a campfest is because they don’t understand strategy. You can’t overlap lines of fire (and kill quickly) with an AR/pistol start, with br’s you can. When a power weapon or pickup respawn the team should rotate to get it.
It’s simple BR’s = team play
AR’S = 4 lone wolves running around with their heads cut off.
Saw “BR starts” didn’t even attempt to read the rest.
This topic is over produced, please place your thoughts on an already active post instead of making a new one. There are actually some decent posts popping up here or there but they get buried by repetitive posts like these.
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> > A simple playlist for BR starts would fix this. I like BR starts, and I like starting without and fighting for them. I can see both sides, but to force everyone in all playlist to start with BR would render quite a few of the other weapons in the game useless. The Magnum already is hurting that area as it is.
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> That’s the point though… From an abstract idea, you should be rewarded for using more skillful weapons. If this makes automatics and easy kill weapons useless that would be a good thing for a competitive game.
The BR is not more skilled… it’s a more powerful version of the pistol. The more powerful something is, the less skill it takes. Argue with that logic if you wish, but it’ll only make you look silly.
You can still team-shot with magnums, but honestly, ttk across the board is so low that teamshotting is almost never necessary. BR starts would just make Arena horrible.
These threads and arguments make no sense. I get that tons of people have an illogical hatred for automatic weapons, but that’s why everyone has a precision weapon too.
NO BR STARTS PLEASE!!! I love how I need to fight for gun in order to use it!!! It give a great challenge to this game!!! I don’t want my hand held for anything. If you want the BR OR ANYTHING ELSE, fight for it and take it.
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> > > A simple playlist for BR starts would fix this. I like BR starts, and I like starting without and fighting for them. I can see both sides, but to force everyone in all playlist to start with BR would render quite a few of the other weapons in the game useless. The Magnum already is hurting that area as it is.
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> These threads and arguments make no sense. I get that tons of people have an illogical hatred for automatic weapons, but that’s why everyone has a precision weapon too.
Yes thank you for understanding this. BR start is a horrible thing for arena!!
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> Trust me, unless you love extreme camping BR starts are not a good idea.
I’m assuming you haven’t played much Arena or Slayer, but all people do is camp with Ar/Pistol. Once you get the sniper on Plaza, you don’t move because you have map control. This drives me crazy when people bring this up. AR/Pistol promotes more camping than BR starts. When I have a BR in AR/Pistol, guess what, I’m not moving much because I don’t have to since the other team has to come to me to get the BR spawn that I’m currently camping. Higher level divisions, you see this occurring much more, but if you spawn with a BR, I can challenge that person who won map control and have a better chance of fighting.
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> > I really dislike that the BR is a weapon that I have to wait to spawn for. The magnum is a good starting weapon, but if you want a game to be competitive, a BR start is ideal. Along with this, I would suggest nerfing all automatics at range. The AR, Storm Rifle, and Suppressor all have proper kill times at close range, but they shoudnt do as much damage as they do at range.
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> The major reason why this would be a bad thing is because of the camping that would be done trust me from one who experienced it, the game gets boring rather quickly of everyone is in a corner with a BR just waiting.
This is an opinion, not a fact about BR starts. In my opinion, AR/Pistol starts cause campfests. Let me explain, in BR starts, I will go more on the offensive and move around the map more because I know when I die that I re-spawn with a BR. If I pick up a BR and know that dying leads to getting an AR, then I will play much more conservative and camp more because I have an advantage with the BR. The one with the AR/Pistol is forced to move, I’m not so I play conservative to avoid dying and therefore keep my BR and give my team an advantage by preventing you from getting the BR. So right there proves that “your” experience, does not count for “everyone” or “all games”.
I have never in my life seen anyone camp with a br! What is the point of it? It’s not a power weapon. Stay with your pew pew’s I guess. I’m personally tired of it.
HELL!!! NO!!! Having an AR and Magnum as a starting weapon is one of the balancing things. You must fight for the BR’s and AR’s. I F****** hated it in Halo 4 when everyone started with that crap. It’s unfair and not fun. This is Halo not CoD. This way the enemy can’t snipe you from across the map with a DMR. I always hated that. Not fair that everyone can take you when you spawn. The classic Halo’s were and still are considered some of the greatest shooters for a reason, and Halo 5 feels like the closest to them sense Halo 3 (which sucked MP wise). I love almost everything that they have done.