It would be typical that the only DLC is the most overpowered too… Seriously Forge needs a tone-down. Please take a look at win statistics for Forge compared to all the others 343i.
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> It would be typical that the only DLC is the most overpowered too… Seriously Forge needs a tone-down. Please take a look at win statistics for Forge compared to all the others 343i.
That’s not fair while forge is overpowered win statistics don’t for leaders like cutter and Isabella have to be taken with a grain of salt seeing how everyone using them is a noob and does not properly know how to play I have not seen as many noobs playing with forge as others is all I am saying
That’s a valid point but something needs to be done. The guy is winning the late game with grizzlies that can just wreck most things and is dominating the early game with superior economy. There’s no way around this, it needs addressing.
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> That’s a valid point but something needs to be done. The guy is winning the late game with grizzlies that can just wreck most things and is dominating the early game with superior economy. There’s no way around this, it needs addressing.
Lol grizzlies are worthless but his early game is incredible
What in particular do you find overpowered in regards to Forge? Maybe you’re playing poorly?
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> What in particular do you find overpowered in regards to Forge? Maybe you’re playing poorly?
Really for the first 3 minutes he is by far the best maybe you are not playing correctly with him
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> > What in particular do you find overpowered in regards to Forge? Maybe you’re playing poorly?
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> Really for the first 3 minutes he is by far the best maybe you are not playing correctly with him
Never used him, never had a problem against him. You going answer the question I previously asked?
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> > > What in particular do you find overpowered in regards to Forge? Maybe you’re playing poorly?
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> > Really for the first 3 minutes he is by far the best maybe you are not playing correctly with him
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> Never used him, never had a problem against him. You going answer the question I previously asked?
Resource buildings are far cheaper and upgrades of those building are far cheaper which in turn allows you to rush far more units than any other leader
Yea Rolling Economy + Accelerated Assembly makes his early game super fast. I am very rarely stopped when rushing with him.
Cutter is my homie 
I haven’t dropped a game yet with him. My record has 2 losses so far with 100% cutter. I Disconnected from 1 game and the other loss was playing against AI with a friend where the win counted as a loss.
I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
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> I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
Even when I do this there is that one Anders that -Yoinks!- me over with her Sentinels xD
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> I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
Other leaders get the Salvage ability too though. Grizzlies are also underpowered at this point I’ve found. They’re supposed to beat infantry in rock-paper-scissors, but they get absolutely dominated by infantry, air and leader abilities (even when upgraded with vehicle 3, Grizzly is upgraded and using veteran Grizzlies) which makes them essentially worthless.
Edit: And Forge’s warthog isn’t nearly as good as a Spartan (though maybe I’m not using it properly as a support vehicle).
The only time I’ve found Grizzly to be any good is when using them in Blitz Firefight.
His eco bonuses need to be slightly reduced, jackrabbits can be balanced by making them cost energy too. All scouts having 10-30 cost means generators needing to be built which means less eco so less hardcore spam.
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> > I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
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> Other leaders get the Salvage ability too though. Grizzlies are also underpowered at this point I’ve found. They’re supposed to beat infantry in rock-paper-scissors, but they get absolutely dominated by infantry, air and leader abilities (even when upgraded with vehicle 3, Grizzly is upgraded and using veteran Grizzlies) which makes them essentially worthless.
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> Edit: And Forge’s warthog isn’t nearly as good as a Spartan (though maybe I’m not using it properly as a support vehicle).
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> The only time I’ve found Grizzly to be any good is when using them in Blitz Firefight.
I have found the same with Grizzly’s. I don’t think they are not worth while but I typically utilize them via the Veteran Grizzly drop to support an infantry based army.
I have had most success with Forge using infantry supported by nightingales and some hornets and then dropping Grizzly’s for a quick army composition change.
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> Cutter is my homie I haven’t dropped a game yet with him. My record has 2 losses so far with 100% cutter. I Disconnected from 1 game and the other loss was playing against AI with a friend where the win counted as a loss.
Wow your cool I wish I could only build marines and not upgrade anything what are you going to do when they nerfed marines get boned lol
Everyone and their mothers are Jackrabbit rushing. Just a tip for people struggling against that: Atriox works well with how well he turtles.
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> I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
Stop making sense the guy before said he was God with cutter and beats noobs by spamming marines cutter has to be better just ask the guy that uses cutter everygame
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> > I’m sorry but, the thing with Forge is that he’s impossible to beat early game, which means Forge gets the map control and energy nodes around the map for free, which means he wins the mid-game automatically too because he then out-eco’s you even harder and it snowballs more, then rolling assembly with superior tanks also wins him the late game. There’s no way around this, the guy is broken as -Yoink- and needs a massive overhaul. how anyone things a flat-out superior economy in an RTS where you cannot harrass economy is balanced is beyond me… His leader powers are stupid af OP too and just make his whole eco and raw power situation several times worse. Lose 8 grizzlies? Get 8 grizzlies for free and push for the win whilst your enemy is still recovering their lost army…
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> Even when I do this there is that one Anders that -Yoinks!- me over with her Sentinels xD
Marines -Yoink- on sentinels.
I dunno why everyone seems to think Grizzlies are underpowered. When I use them I -Yoink- on people. When they are used against me I get -Yoink- on. Although it might just be because of Forges economy and early game advantage snowballing him into the late game and not the grizzlies themselves I guess.