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> > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
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> > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
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> > > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
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> > > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
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> > > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
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> > You think that after spending years in development, a developer can whip out new content, play test it, and get it out to you in a month or two after launch? They did the same thing with H5. BTB and forge for example…they didn’t create that stuff after launch. Some of their community updates even stated how they had been working on the fan made BTB forge maps in the summer before launch, yet neither forge nor BTB were in the game at launch. All games are doing it. SWBF was advertising Jaku dlc as the game launched. Why wasn’t it included if it was ready? To sell season passes of course. I get that games can’t cost $60 forever. Maybe they need different sources of revenue, but what 343 is doing here is over the top deceptive. Don’t sell a season pass and then exclude content 3 months after launch.
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> You realize games are not finished the same day they release right? That’s why there’s a term called “Going Gold”.
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> Do you actually believe that the game should have been released with all the content we have right now? You sure sound like a tin foil hat aficionado, no offense, a lot of people are like that.
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> Just for reference, HW1 released with: Campaign, 6 Leaders, A Multiplayer Mode. HW2 released with: Campaign, 7 Leaders, 4 different Multiplayer Modes including Blitz and Firefight. Just as an RTS HW2 released with more content than the average. And you really suspect that 343/CA had Kinsano, Colony, Johnson locked up unreleased? don’t waste my time.
Why shouldn’t it have released with all content? You do realize there was a time when you bought a game and got the full game right? Do you think that all the H5 content released after launch was actually developed after launch? If they could develop that much in 6 months then why did we get so little in the base game that took 3 years to develop? I don’t blame them for holding back, but this whole situation was deceptive. How many of these people who bought season passes will be buying a season pass for 343’s next game? I think it’s a terrible marketing move.
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> > > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
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> > > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
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> > > > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
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> > > > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
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> > > > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
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> Why shouldn’t it have released with all content? You do realize there was a time when you bought a game and got the full game right? Do you think that all the H5 content released after launch was actually developed after launch? If they could develop that much in 6 months then why did we get so little in the base game that took 3 years to develop? I don’t blame them for holding back, but this whole situation was deceptive. How many of these people who bought season passes will be buying a season pass for 343’s next game? I think it’s a terrible marketing move.
This is the HW2 forum not H5, I can’t speak for what happens to H5 as I don’t play that game, uninstalled it a week after I bought it.
And to answer your question: “Why shouldn’t it have released with all content?” because it wasn’t developed yet.
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> > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
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> > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
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> > All games are doing it. SWBF was advertising Jaku dlc as the game launched. Why wasn’t it included if it was ready? To sell season passes of course.
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> To be fair Jakku was free.
It was free, but certain players got early access to it. I don’t remember the details, but there was no reason to exclude it from the base game other than to milk more cash (or maybe incentivize preorders).
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> > > > I’m glad that I’m going to pay $20 to support a game I enjoy. The reality is that this game didn’t sell well because it’s so obscure. It’s a console exclusive, a console RTS, and the only thing really selling it is the HALO name, which doesn’t hold as much weight as it once did. The season pass was pretty up front too. It slated it’s end date after a few months. It promised new leaders and campaign missions. If I’m not mistaken the new DLC picks up after the season pass ends.
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> > > > I don’t feel cheated and I’m happy that the devs are keeping the game alive with new content instead of jumping ship. $20 is a tank of gas for me, so I’ll happily spend that.
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> > > > Now if y’all wanna look at how much EA and Activision are making their DLC cost it might humble ya.
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> > > Too bad if I buy a Season Pass from EA and Activision I’ll actually get more content for my money and I’ll get all the DLC for the game (excluding Destiny.)
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> > > I already paid what $20-$30 extra for the ultimate edition preorder I’m not basically gonna make my investment turn into double the games cost because 343 is just deciding to cut this out of the season pass.
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> > > Sorry some people have expectations and don’t like having their trust abused, especially when we’ve been patient with 343 for years now.
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> > I’ll hit you with some simple math here buddy,
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> > Season Pass: $20
> > ATN DLC: $20
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> > That equals $40 and base HW2 is $60. $40<$60. All the DLC combined is still cheaper than the base game. Also NOWHERE in the season pass did it this DLC was included. You’re not being misguided by the season pass. You’ll get your leaders, campaign arc, and blitz packs as promised. What you won’t get is ATN because it was never included. This DLC was never slated to be in season pass if their ideal launch time was Fall 2017. The season pass ends after 6 months aka end of summer 2017. ATN is most likely the endgame/second phase for HW2.
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> Did I say double no I said almost double and season passes lasting half a year because 343 says it will. Pinch me will you fanboys ever stop defending this company…it still stands as well that they’re pulling this with the season pass when microtransactions are oresent and pushed.
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> > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
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> > Speaking personally, I didn’t expect a full campaign expansion to be ‘given away’ to me, I expected 4 or 5 extra missions at most to be added as part of the Season Pass I payed for.
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> You did get loads of leaders…
Maybe I’m just spoiled, but when I purchase a season pass I kind of expect to get all of the DLC for the game.
When Bethesda developed their season pass they didn’t expect to add as much content as they did, but I still ended up getting all of the DLC for the original season pass price.
The fact that they added as many leaders as they or the fact that they added more into the expansion than originally intended is largely irrelevant when we had information prior to the game’s launch for us to make up our minds on spending the extra money. I’m a massive Halo fan, but I can certainly see this impacting my future purchases with 343.
If it weren’t for the fact that I got the DLC basically free (HW Definitive Edition), then I’d probably be making a massive stink.
Bunch of babies. You got your $20 worth. The campaign is boring anyways. The game doesn’t even need it. It’s a PvP game.
Some of you expect way too much for $20. Don’t buy the pass then. You got wars de. Who cares you say… well why the f did you buy the pass then. It was explained well right there that was a major part of it and worth the 20 alone. Regardless of all the leaders and the extra couple missions.
whats the point of buying season pass if there going to make stand alone Dlcs to sqeeze us of extra cash that beats the purpose of having a season pass even tho im excited for the flood coming i will not be buying it to make a fool of after buying the season pass
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> whats the point of buying season pass if there going to make stand alone Dlcs to sqeeze us of extra cash that beats the purpose of having a season pass even tho im excited for the flood coming i will not be buying it to make a fool of after buying the season pass
A Season Pass isn’t a get all DLC free pass. The only time thats true is if it is state to be for all DLC. HW2 SP never stated that.
“Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
Nowhere does it stated that this would be getting you all the DLC. It also don’t state that you would get a full second campaign and a firefight mode. You guys remember Halo 3 ODST. What was in that I wonder? Oh a Full Campaign and a Firefight mode… How much did that Cost? 40$ And guess what, it was made that same way this Expansion is being made. Yet it wasn’t covered by the Halo 3’s Season Pass either.
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> > whats the point of buying season pass if there going to make stand alone Dlcs to sqeeze us of extra cash that beats the purpose of having a season pass even tho im excited for the flood coming i will not be buying it to make a fool of after buying the season pass
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> A Season Pass isn’t a get all DLC free pass. The only time thats true is if it is state to be for all DLC. HW2 SP never stated that.
> “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
> Nowhere does it stated that this would be getting you all the DLC. It also don’t state that you would get a full second campaign and a firefight mode. You guys remember Halo 3 ODST. What was in that I wonder? Oh a Full Campaign and a Firefight mode… How much did that Cost? 40$ And guess what, it was made that same way this Expansion is being made. Yet it wasn’t covered by the Halo 3’s Season Pass either.
ODST came out 2 years after Halo 3. Don’t think that this holds up for comparison.
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> > > whats the point of buying season pass if there going to make stand alone Dlcs to sqeeze us of extra cash that beats the purpose of having a season pass even tho im excited for the flood coming i will not be buying it to make a fool of after buying the season pass
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> > A Season Pass isn’t a get all DLC free pass. The only time thats true is if it is state to be for all DLC. HW2 SP never stated that.
> > “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
> > Nowhere does it stated that this would be getting you all the DLC. It also don’t state that you would get a full second campaign and a firefight mode. You guys remember Halo 3 ODST. What was in that I wonder? Oh a Full Campaign and a Firefight mode… How much did that Cost? 40$ And guess what, it was made that same way this Expansion is being made. Yet it wasn’t covered by the Halo 3’s Season Pass either.
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> ODST came out 2 years after Halo 3. Don’t think that this holds up for comparison.
Plenty of Games have had DLC 2 years in. Not that my comparison has anything to do with that. My point was that there’s no actual difference in overall Content, ODST just came on a Disk and wasn’t called an expansion to Halo 3.
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> - Full fledged campaign featuring the Flood and where you play as the Banished - Two leaders - A new gamemode - Blur cutscenesWe’re still getting plenty of the content with the season pass and that still includes the Operation: SPEARBREAKER mini campaign. Six leaders that cost $5 each already makes the season pass and Ultimate Edition a huge bargain deal but we’re still getting two more campaign missions.
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> Remember, Blur cutscenes are not cheap to make. They’re probably a big reason why this is going to cost $20.
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> I’m not trying to defend 343i on all of this, I’m also annoyed it’s not in the SE however I do see the reasons why they made it a separate expansion. I also really want to hear more about Spearbreaker. All we know is that it’s two missions, in the season pass, and (judging from the name) from the UNSC prospective. We know more about this expansion than something announced and teased to be coming for season pass holders months again.
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> > > Speaking personally, I didn’t expect a full campaign expansion to be ‘given away’ to me, I expected 4 or 5 extra missions at most to be added as part of the Season Pass I payed for.
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> > You did get loads of leaders…
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> 7 total each valued at $6
So because 343 arbitrarily told me a leader was worth 6 dollars I’m supposed to believe I got my money’s worth? Yea. No. People kinda expected to get maps and campaign missions too which is what the season pass originally said it was going to provide.
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> > > > Speaking personally, I didn’t expect a full campaign expansion to be ‘given away’ to me, I expected 4 or 5 extra missions at most to be added as part of the Season Pass I payed for.
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> > > You did get loads of leaders…
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> > 7 total each valued at $6
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> So because 343 arbitrarily told me a leader was worth 6 dollars I’m supposed to believe I got my money’s worth? Yea. No. People kinda expected to get maps and campaign missions too which is what the season pass originally said it was going to provide.
actually it never said maps because those are going to be free anyway, and are dropping around the same time as the expansion. Also the UNSC campaign expansion included in the season pass is dropping soonish.
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> > > > whats the point of buying season pass if there going to make stand alone Dlcs to sqeeze us of extra cash that beats the purpose of having a season pass even tho im excited for the flood coming i will not be buying it to make a fool of after buying the season pass
> > >
> > > A Season Pass isn’t a get all DLC free pass. The only time thats true is if it is state to be for all DLC. HW2 SP never stated that.
> > > “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
> > > Nowhere does it stated that this would be getting you all the DLC. It also don’t state that you would get a full second campaign and a firefight mode. You guys remember Halo 3 ODST. What was in that I wonder? Oh a Full Campaign and a Firefight mode… How much did that Cost? 40$ And guess what, it was made that same way this Expansion is being made. Yet it wasn’t covered by the Halo 3’s Season Pass either.
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> > ODST came out 2 years after Halo 3. Don’t think that this holds up for comparison.
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> Plenty of Games have had DLC 2 years in. Not that my comparison has anything to do with that. My point was that there’s no actual difference in overall Content, ODST just came on a Disk and wasn’t called an expansion to Halo 3.
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> A Season Pass isn’t a get all DLC free pass. The only time thats true is if it is state to be for all DLC. HW2 SP never stated that.
> “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
> Nowhere does it stated that this would be getting you all the DLC. It also don’t state that you would get a full second campaign and a firefight mode. You guys remember Halo 3 ODST. What was in that I wonder? Oh a Full Campaign and a Firefight mode… How much did that Cost? 40$ And guess what, it was made that same way this Expansion is being made. Yet it wasn’t covered by the Halo 3’s Season Pass either.
Halo 3 didn’t have a season pass genius. They weren’t popularized until Rockstar did it for LA Noire.
Also when only 2 other season passes in the history of history have not provided all the DLC, it’s an expectation that you’ll get all the content, especially when 343 never came out and told us directly it wouldn’t.
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> > > > > I’m glad that I’m going to pay $20 to support a game I enjoy. The reality is that this game didn’t sell well because it’s so obscure. It’s a console exclusive, a console RTS, and the only thing really selling it is the HALO name, which doesn’t hold as much weight as it once did. The season pass was pretty up front too. It slated it’s end date after a few months. It promised new leaders and campaign missions. If I’m not mistaken the new DLC picks up after the season pass ends.
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> > > > > I don’t feel cheated and I’m happy that the devs are keeping the game alive with new content instead of jumping ship. $20 is a tank of gas for me, so I’ll happily spend that.
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> > > > > Now if y’all wanna look at how much EA and Activision are making their DLC cost it might humble ya.
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> > > > Too bad if I buy a Season Pass from EA and Activision I’ll actually get more content for my money and I’ll get all the DLC for the game (excluding Destiny.)
> > > >
> > > > I already paid what $20-$30 extra for the ultimate edition preorder I’m not basically gonna make my investment turn into double the games cost because 343 is just deciding to cut this out of the season pass.
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> > > > Sorry some people have expectations and don’t like having their trust abused, especially when we’ve been patient with 343 for years now.
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> > > I’ll hit you with some simple math here buddy,
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> > > Season Pass: $20
> > > ATN DLC: $20
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> > > That equals $40 and base HW2 is $60. $40<$60. All the DLC combined is still cheaper than the base game. Also NOWHERE in the season pass did it this DLC was included. You’re not being misguided by the season pass. You’ll get your leaders, campaign arc, and blitz packs as promised. What you won’t get is ATN because it was never included. This DLC was never slated to be in season pass if their ideal launch time was Fall 2017. The season pass ends after 6 months aka end of summer 2017. ATN is most likely the endgame/second phase for HW2.
> >
> > Did I say double no I said almost double and season passes lasting half a year because 343 says it will. Pinch me will you fanboys ever stop defending this company…it still stands as well that they’re pulling this with the season pass when microtransactions are oresent and pushed.
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> You said double and what still stands?
Basically going to turn my investment into double means more or less, not exactly. Please learn to read. What also still stands is that we’re getting premium content held out of the season pass for $20 when 343 is pushing microtransactions in this game still so not only are they getting the money from season pass holders they get the money from the people feeding them for Blitz Packs yet this DLC is not included in the Season Pass and is $20
How you think that won’t leave a sour taste in people’s mouth. Just wow.