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> Also all purchases of an Ultimate Edition were advertised with including a Season Pass, which covers for coming DLCs. I dont press F5 every 5 secs the entire time of the game being out there for sale whether the description of the season pass is, could, would or has been changed. What stupid excuse is this now?
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> Also from a legal aspect. The description of a product is binding at the moment where you purchase it. You cant sell a car and then change the including components afterwards that a car owner has now to pay for the tyres separately. This is the direction which the current Halo Wars 2 DLC policy is heading.
Yes exactly right. They changed the season pass description after launch.
I sure hope the backfire of this is large enough, but there are too many 343 apologists around defending them supporting these poor practices.
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I’ll take the ban for this comment. I knew there was gonna be all these whiny baby millineals on here that expect everything to be given to them.
Wah wah wah. Just be happy they are releasing new content. If you paid for the seasons pass/ultimate edition, you’ll still get what you paid for. Just feel lucky there will be additional content as an option for you to purchase in the future if you want. If you don’t want it, quit the game and the forum and spare us your nagging whiny complaining.
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> > > > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
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> > > > Speaking personally, I didn’t expect a full campaign expansion to be ‘given away’ to me, I expected 4 or 5 extra missions at most to be added as part of the Season Pass I payed for.
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> > > You did get loads of leaders…
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> > Leaders are boring…
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> That’s a matter of opinion, but still the point stands that we did get our money’s worth for the season pass.
It is not about moneys worth, Season Passes always promise savings, that is why you buy them.
Does not make it right them lying to consumers by not saying future expansions are not included in the season pass leading people to assume all future dlc is free and buying the pass. This is a blatant attempt to boost season pass sales and is abusing their fan base. I bought the season pass expecting all dlc and I did not get that, I cared only for campaign if I had known that there was an expansion not included that was all about campaign I wouldn’t have paid £24 for boring leaders and just 2 missions…
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‘just be happy you feel ripped off’
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Everybody I am not in disagreement with anything that is being said! But just an idea, maybe when putting the leaders together and with all the talk of the flood from day one. 343i is trying to listen and incorporate the communities want into our game. And yes this may not be the best way to go about it but without the full player base needed to hand free Expansions out they are giving us some of what we want with what 343i can work with!!! Food for thought!
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What do you want, a star to be put next to your name on the board because your special?
You know it amazes me how Blizzard can get away with this stuff, and yet if 343 does it everyone loses their minds.
What’s with that?
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> So I just swung by the Xbox Marketplace and looked at what the prices are for the DLC leaders. Like 6 bucks each. Our Season Pass was effectively $20.00. That means that just after 4 DLC leaders you would have gotten your money’s worth. Well, it’s confirmed at this point that, not including Forge, the season pass would have provided players with 5 new leaders (a $30.00 value) plus the mini-campaign.
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> So in terms of value they didn’t mislead us or “scam” us, either.
Making your moneys worth does not mean they did not scam us. A season pass is a promise by a consumer to support the company, as a result we are rewarded with a discount because in the likelihood of not getting the season pass people would likely not get all the leaders and they would make less money. This does not make it okay for them to mislead consumers with a vague description of the content with which we are getting, it never stated how many leaders we would get or how many missions we would get. It is vague to boost sells based on empty and unsatisfying promises. Especially considering original description advertised a free expansion, well here it is and it aint free, instead we get 2 missions…
I won’t repeat what many said but I feel like I’ve been screwed with that Season Pass. I paid 90€ because besides believing that I’d get the actual expansions (not “DLC leaders” … LEADERS man, this is not cosmetic …), I really believed that it would be on high standards. In the end, I realize now that that’s a lot of money for the fairly average quality gaming experience that is HW2 atm.
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> You know it amazes me how Blizzard can get away with this stuff, and yet if 343 does it everyone loses their minds.
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> What’s with that?
Well their track record isn’t even good enough for them to try and get away with stuff like this, what have they delivered us so far. Halo 4 call of duty edition, the broken chief collection, Halo 5 guardians with a bare bones features and Brian Reeds literally killing the franchise with his glittered spattered story telling. The only reason why people care this much is because of how obvious 343 is making it seem that they are incompetent are even creating a video game
For every single person asking ALL DLC to be available under the Season Pass I highly suggest you read this:
sea·son
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noun
- each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth’s changing position with regard to the sun. - a set or sequence of related television programs."the first two seasons of the show"It appears to me a season denotes a limited length of time, how in the world can someone expect Season = Forever?
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> You know it amazes me how Blizzard can get away with this stuff, and yet if 343 does it everyone loses their minds.
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> What’s with that?
Blizzards, like Bethesda get away with it due to most of their fan bases being fanboys. I criticise them the same way I do for 343, but I get swarmed by their fanboys, who shut down any “negativity”.
Funny how you don’t mention EA who have done a turnaround with their DLC practices with Battlefront 2. Or the fact that EA has not done any seperate DLC to their “premium” season passes (from recent memory anyway) like 343 has done barely 3-4 months after launch.
There is no defending them here. They should have been clear at launch that there would be seperate expansion, to the season pass. It is all on them.
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> **For every single person asking ALL DLC to be available under the Season Pass I highly suggest you read this:**sea·son
> ˈsēzən/
> noun
> - each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth’s changing position with regard to the sun. - a set or sequence of related television programs."the first two seasons of the show"It appears to me a season denotes a limited length of time, how in the world can someone expect Season = Forever?
No one said they want all DLC. They are talking about the original advertising, which said we would get a campaign expansion. But they changed the description AFTER launch to say “missions” instead of “expansion”.
Please do you research or read why people are angry before defending 343.
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> > > > Does 343 really want to be beaten by EA? Because that’s what is happening.
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> > > > Star Wars Battlefront 2 will have all of its DLC be free (or at least the first season’s).
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> > > > Seriously, what they are doing with this is worse than EA.
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> > > > WORSE THAN EA!
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> > > EA has an impressive track record to make up for. The two situations aren’t even comparable. EA had the balls to put ‘Battlefront’ on their game when it had almost no resemblance to the original beauties of Battlefront I and II.
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> > You know what we say in Germany for handling things like this?
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> > Everything which is legally correct is not morally okay.
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> > If we would have an official lawsuit about this 343 would argue that the Season Pass was never said to cover ALL content to be released. But what is the average expectation or the current “street opinion” of buyers of season passes in games?
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> > That it COVERS all DLC policy AFTER the release itself. I hope that this DLC policy backfires hard. And btw… you can keep Halo 6 for yourself. And I am not gonna pre-order Xone X.
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> Why are you expecting it to cover all of the DLC when it never specified as much? In fact, it says that it will cover everything within 6 months of the game’s launch. That time ends here in about 2 months, and with ATN launching in Fall of 2017, it seems they are doing everything legally fine. And because they didn’t mislead anyone here, it seems they are ethically in the right as well.
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> What seems out of line are people’s expectations. That is evidenced when you said “the street opinion” of a season pass is that it covers all content. It’s better to read the description of the season pass than trust street opinion, in my mind.
You changed the wording it says more than six months of content which actually falls into fall 2017, that is shady as all hell because actually never specifies when it ends, and as you will realise I read the description and it is vague, peoples expectations were hyped on a vague description and you cannot blame them. It is just disgusting really because they are yes legally fine but use a vague description to cover there scamming butts.
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> > ˈsēzən/
> > noun
> > - each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth’s changing position with regard to the sun. - a set or sequence of related television programs."the first two seasons of the show"It appears to me a season denotes a limited length of time, how in the world can someone expect Season = Forever?
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> No one said they want all DLC. They are talking about the original advertising, which said we would get a campaign expansion. But they changed the description AFTER launch to say “missions” instead of “expansion”.
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> Please do you research or read why people are angry before defending 343.
There’s A LOT of people asking for all DLC to be available under the Season Pass, just read every other locked up thread. That’s why I said: **For every single person asking ALL DLC to be available under the Season Pass.**Please use some reading comprehension before accusing someone.
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> > > > > This really sucks. What is the point of a Season Pass if you don’t get all future content?
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> > > > > And 20 bucks is an insane asking price for this. The game isn’t exactly content-heavy to begin with.
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> > > > > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
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> > > > > An “Expansion” is more than 2 missions, a couple new leaders, and 1 new mode…
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> > > > > I miss the days where expansions added a sequel’s worth of content to a game…
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> > > > I missed the part where an entire campaign is two missions, can you point out where that was said? There’s also an extra two multiplayer maps on top of it.
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> > > > Also, I guess everybody missed the part where this was absolutely not outlined as something you were going to get as part of the season pass.
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> > > > It’s not 343’s fault that you all set yourselves up for disappointment despite the information already available being perfectly clear.
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> > > Erm, yes, it is their fault.
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> > > 1. The season pass NEVER specified that there was DLC that would be exempt from it.
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> > > 2. They’ve deliberately changed the season pass description at least once, and this was AFTER people bought it.
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> > > 3. Season passes, unless specifically specified, are supposed to include ALL DLC.
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> > > And those maps had better be free, since 343 has said any new maps will be free…
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> > 2. This is an issue I am only dimly aware of and if it is true they did that, it’s a pretty low move.
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> I can confirm that it’s true, however people are twisting it a little.
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> This is the original description of the season pass:
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> “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months and include: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer battles, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, a new campaign expansion with exclusive missions, and even more content to be announced soon.”
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> This is the new version:
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> “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.”
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> This is also something that only happened on the Windows store. GameStop, Amazon, and I assume many other places still use the original description.
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> The only change is that they swapped out “campaign expansion with exclusive missions” to "new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story. It still supports the fact that 343i didn’t lie about any of this. At all. We’re still getting Spearbreaker but we now know it’s only two missions. But that doesn’t change anything. Two missions or not, it still expands the story and adds more missions to the campaign. People are changing the definition to make it sound like the word ‘expansion’ has to be this giant package of content.
This new dlc is marketed as an expansion, I bought the season pass when the original description said I would be receiving a campaign expansion which this simply is. While the supposed new campaign missions I’m getting from the pass haven’t even been revealed yet which tells me that this expansion has been in development since halo wars 2 was released. This is shady practice and deliberately misleads consumers.
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> **For every single person asking ALL DLC to be available under the Season Pass I highly suggest you read this:**sea·son
> ˈsēzən/
> noun
> - each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth’s changing position with regard to the sun. - a set or sequence of related television programs."the first two seasons of the show"It appears to me a season denotes a limited length of time, how in the world can someone expect Season = Forever?
This kind of thinking is very good for the VG industry.
I just expected all DLC and expansion to “drop during this season”. You see I tend to buy finished games.
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People paid for a season pass. They aren’t expecting anything to be “given” to them. They paid for a season pass to access post-release content (not held back content disguised as DLC either). People can argue the technicalities of a season pass all day, but as far as I know a season pass has always been money that you pay upfront for future dlc. To release content 3 months after launch and say it’s not included in the season pass is horrible marketing and just a generally crappy way to treat players who paid extra upfront. Is it illegal? Probably not. Does it add add to the image that 343 is getting of being a money grabbing, deceptive, untrustworthy developer? Yep. Even the dirt bags at EA haven’t pulled this stunt. I thought the req pack greed in H5 was bad, but this is blatant disrespect for their fan base. Pretty much a slap in the face to anyone who bought the season pass.
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> **For every single person asking ALL DLC to be available under the Season Pass I highly suggest you read this:**sea·son
> ˈsēzən/
> noun
> - each of the four divisions of the year (spring, summer, autumn, and winter) marked by particular weather patterns and daylight hours, resulting from the earth’s changing position with regard to the sun. - a set or sequence of related television programs."the first two seasons of the show"It appears to me a season denotes a limited length of time, how in the world can someone expect Season = Forever?
Nive Cherry pick except season passes have almost always denoted all the DLC for a game, the only exceptions being Destiny (a rip off) and Rainbow Six Siege, which is still mired in controversy for it.
If it was only a season BF and CoD players would lose their minds routinely.
Keep on with your logical fallacies though. That people are defending this is a joke.
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This. The game isn’t even a year old and the season pass has run its course. 343 can kiterally kiss any future purchase from me good bye. Halo 6 will be a used purchase if anything. I outright refuse to support these incompetents any longer.