ATN Not In Season Pass?

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> 1.) Logs into HW2 for PC for the first time in months due to cool looking new DLC (botched launch for PC multiplayer and unbalanced multiplayer during Kinsano launch pushed me away).
> 2.) Didn’t download DLC when I launched the client (Pre-ordered ultimate edition), so restarted client.
> 3.) Still didn’t download so came onto forums.
> 4.) Read this post and verified in FAQs that the new DLC is not included in my pre-ordered ultimate edition (Also noted the new “Complete edition” which DOES include new and all DLC for the SAME cost as my pre-ordered ultimate edition)
> 5.) Uninstalled HW2 and will never be buying a game from Microsoft/343i again (Played a loved all Halo content from the combat evolved release on the original Xbox).

Exactly! (Point four is nuts right,… over here the complete edition is even 20 euros cheaper :frowning: )

Whoa it’s almost like a large team of people spent countless hours working to develop this. God forbid the make a profit at 20USD. I don’t know if I speak for anyone else but halo wars 2 is my game of the year and I’d pay more for things as simple as unit skins. I hope they hurry up and take my money and do more with the game, they have the RTS market cornered right now so we’re lucky their not charging more for everything. You guys got your season pass value with the 7 leaders that came of it and all the the re balances they had to do because you’re all scared of having a meta.(granted they couldn’t rebalance right if their life depended on it)

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> The majority of people on this thread can’t read . The season pass didn’t say it includes all dlc , it said it would include leaders and a campaign expansion . It also stated 6 months of content not a year . The 6 month period is up . The season pass was very cheap for a season pass but it still saved you a lot of money rather than buying everything separately . 7 leaders all $5 and a campaign expansion which was also around $5 . You got $40 worth of content for just over $25 , if you was expecting more then your stupid every game out doesn’t have that much content in there season pass for that cheap , most season passes are much more expensive around the $50+ mark if the season pass was a lot more expensive then your arguments would be valid but halo wars season pass was half the price so stop
> The new dlc adds loads of content for a reasonable price . 343 didn’t betray you etc your just bad at reading and understanding what your buying , I would recommend the new dlc the two new leaders are fun , the campaign is good and terminus firefight is extremely fun . The new mega turret is also amazing .
> and for people complaining about microtransactions just stop , halo wars 2 had a multiplayer system where you would be put against people with a similar level deck so it effects no one negatively or positively , the only perk would be getting cars faster but by completing campaign I had all cards unlocked . And with halo 5 it was just in war zone which was also incredibly easy to get packs .

I understand that you are a fanboy, so I will try to translate this in language you can maybe understand.
When 343 Industries takes you from behind over and over, do you go out to get another bottle vaseline so you can even take more the next round?

Just saying, this move of 343 Industries can’t be defended, it’s a move based on creed for a buggy and unbalanced game.

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> The majority of people on this thread can’t read . The season pass didn’t say it includes all dlc , it said it would include leaders and a campaign expansion . It also stated 6 months of content not a year . The 6 month period is up . The season pass was very cheap for a season pass but it still saved you a lot of money rather than buying everything separately . 7 leaders all $5 and a campaign expansion which was also around $5 . You got $40 worth of content for just over $25 , if you was expecting more then your stupid every game out doesn’t have that much content in there season pass for that cheap , most season passes are much more expensive around the $50+ mark if the season pass was a lot more expensive then your arguments would be valid but halo wars season pass was half the price so stop
> The new dlc adds loads of content for a reasonable price . 343 didn’t betray you etc your just bad at reading and understanding what your buying , I would recommend the new dlc the two new leaders are fun , the campaign is good and terminus firefight is extremely fun . The new mega turret is also amazing .
> and for people complaining about microtransactions just stop , halo wars 2 had a multiplayer system where you would be put against people with a similar level deck so it effects no one negatively or positively , the only perk would be getting cars faster but by completing campaign I had all cards unlocked . And with halo 5 it was just in war zone which was also incredibly easy to get packs .

Well, I have written to this a few pages back, but since I try to improve my written english, here you are:
I find the circumstances amazing, on how your perception of season passes is working:

  1. The Season Pass was promoted and advertised at the time of my purchase and still now as: “Der Season Pass umfasst regelmäßige Updates über einen Zeitraum von mehr als sechs Monaten”, which means in English, that you get updates for more (!) than six months. The art of language and the advertisement of a product is very important since it is held as a fundamental base for buying-contracts. Of course I can only speak for continental european business law and habits between consumers and provider. So people over here tend to read carefully and therefore set their expectations within a product.
  2. The Season Pass together with UE was promoted as a way to get future updates and campaign missions. I have to agree that this is the most delicate point, because its an unclear definition on what the provider was/is understanding on the term “campaign missions”, whether it contains only spear-breaker or even more. Of course, with the in point one shown advertisement of the product, the consumer had every right to assume that every (!) future update is included.
  3. The Season Pass for this particular game is still at 29.99€ (that’s right Euro, but I will write about this later) and still advertised as I have shown in point one. During my research on Steam, I came to understand that his is an absolute standard price for season passes. And this is the best: there are no exceptions on future updates, which have to be purchased again. So therefore the consumers are right to expect similar arrangements with this game. Unfortunately MS or 343 did not.
  4. As I and others have written before, we have purchased 89.99€ (Euro) for the UE and for a single game with promises of future updates. I had to wait during technical difficulties by MS nearly 4 weeks, before I could get the Halo Wars HD Edition, and several content on my system. Now they wish me to pay another 24.99€ for something I already paid?
    And the answer is simply: no. Since I belong to those customers who don’t want to waste their money and think twice on buying a product. Which leads me to the next and finally last point:
  5. As I can conclude by your comment and the used currency, you are from the US. So first my best greetings to this wonderful country, but please keep in mind: not everyone is from the US and therefore people have other customer habits. I don’t know whether your opinion can be a role model for US customers, since I have been witness to strong positions for getting the best money/product ratio by my american colleagues. Further you have to keep in mind, that the content of a game could have different prices in different countries and foreign currencies.

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> True… but you’re one of them:
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> - Ultimate Edition 90 euro
> - Awakening 25 euro
> - Complete Edition 70 euro but contains all above
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> See the frustration? The bigger the fan you are, the more you have to pay. If they made the Complete Edition 115 euro I would be oke with it.

The reason why the Ultimate Edition costs more is because it’s been out for 7 months. Games naturally devalue over time.

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> I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.

Makes zero sense. On release there was no mention of future DLC outside the season pass that you would need to pay for. The season pass was suppose to be that. Secondly this is probably more aimed at the collectors/definative edition. I paid £70 because I though this future proofed me from any duture download. Then 343 deliver that critical blow and release “the complete edition” along side the Awakening. For £50… the complete game with all downloads sold for £20 less than the definitaive edition and the same damm cost as the original game. I honestly was going to buy the game untill I saw that Middle finger from 343i. So I just youtubed the campaign, saw it there was only 3 cut scenes barley 6 mins long and missions that woukd barley take 2 hours to complete.

Not worth it and not doing it anymore. Halo 4 was bad but i let it slide. Halo 5 was -Yoinking!- horrific. Halo wars 2 brought it back a little, but this pushed it right back down.
How can they not see their single handedly destroying the game? What will they do when nobody buys it anymore? Who is to blame? They need to -Yoinking!- listen to the community!

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> > True… but you’re one of them:
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> > - Ultimate Edition 90 euro
> > - Awakening 25 euro
> > - Complete Edition 70 euro but contains all above
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> > See the frustration? The bigger the fan you are, the more you have to pay. If they made the Complete Edition 115 euro I would be oke with it.
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> The reason why the Ultimate Edition costs more is because it’s been out for 7 months. Games naturally devalue over time.

That only holds if the game had any value to begin with!
90 euros for unplayable alpha at release, and broken and unbalanced game now, yeah thanks but that’s way too much money for what it is.

If you’re going to comment weird comments in defense of a game no one is asking you to defend on a thread meant for players who are not happy with said game. If you don’t agree that’s fine and I said fake account because why would someone read through a thread that was created to talk about awakening the nightmare not being included in the season pass and then proceed to post in favor for a company that hasn’t even commented because they have terrible public relations. I don’t understand you forum trolls, ahh, “dis good dam, you pay good cheap already.” “Get new 5 mission, oh amazing.” I would never have purchased this game if I knew all content wasn’t to be included and 343/Microsoft knows a lot of players would not of purchased it, fans that love the game would of waited until the so called, “complete” edition. This is the only place for this to be addressed and if nothing else maybe sketchy or someone else from 343 could see the thread and address the community, instead for some reason there’s 343 hero’s, “no it’s good game you got what you pay and more.” there’s a few other threads related to this, also the other part is the huge giant ball that 343 dropped during the active seasons. DLC was late and buggy every time, a few times game breaking and unplayable after updates. The multiplayer couldn’t stay competitive and consistent and blitz was a joke and the missions were fine but could of been better. You can’t have an active online gaming community and a game that’s not updated often and broken in the meta. Those that mentioned how we got the definitive edition of HALO wars, I already played that game 10 years ago and “remastering” it and saling it to me again is unnecessary I’d rather have the actual new content, game modes, firefight and flood, not a revamp on graphics of a game I’ll never play again because I played it when it came out. If you liked the definitive edition that’s fine but Pretending that’s not what they did may be naive. If you’re not a fake account then ok I found it confusing why it’s necessary for you to defend 343 Against our comments seems like a waste a time on your part if you’re happy with the game. Unless your just a troll with nothing to really bring to the conversation other than being a troll. We’re discussing as consumers that a company was dishonest and hasn’t addressed it. This isn’t to attack 343 but it is pointing out the obvious.

I think most if not everybody would agree that the season pass and Ultimate Edition were poorly marketed and could have been much clearer, showing off ATN before Spearbreaker was a terrible idea (probably forced by Microsoft though). I think they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they said “This won’t contain all DLC” in the descriptions for them.

I had suspicions there’d be more content when I saw “updates that span more than 6 months” instead of all content. All blame can’t be put on 343 though, it was never stated that all content would be covered (at least in the English descriptions), people assumed that. Even though I think technically speaking 343/CA delivered what they promised they could have been much more transparent with their descriptions especially the changing of the season pass description and I really hope in the future they will be much more upfront about things.

It also didn’t help that the game was plagued with balance and technical issues for 7 months and forcing PC Ultimate Edition owners to get the Steam version was also very unfair. Breezy is correct in saying that prices do go down and new editions come out, but 7 months after release The Complete Edition coming out is a bit early/low priced in my opinion, I understand it was to get more sales for a game that didn’t perform well and to increase the playerbase size. I think a discount on ATN for Ultimate Editon owners would have been a fair compromise.

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> > > After this game im done with 343 completely I’ve been waiting to see if they respond and include awakening the nightmare in the season pass eventually but that’s just wishful thinking. Those that defended 343 on these threads are just fake accounts to counter bad press, because it wouldn’t make sense for a company to tell their consumers they’re whining and it’s definitely “worth” the money. That’d be obvious. Normal people let everyone have an opinion and if they disagree that’s it they just disagree. no one is wrong in their opinion that they were lied to by 343, if you think it’s a good deal that’s your opinion but by definition 343 and Microsoft lied with the season pass, if not then mislead, consumers to believe they would get all HW2 content. “Ultimate” edition means by definition everything and 343 saying this is a separate DLC release from promised content is just words, just an excuse. You can not play awakening the nightmare without Halo wars 2, and they now released a “complete” edition that includes everything but “ultimate” doesn’t? If you don’t agree I understand you’re entitled to that opinion, this thread isn’t for you and stop bashing those that disagree. This game was on sale as soon as it was released and there’s a reason it’s not on steam, they just care about money. Which of course that should be all a company is concerned with it profits, but consumers pay attention and notice things like this. Instead of promoting a community of fun and competitive gameplay they created clickbait and micro transactions and didn’t include core game functionality of past halo titles, such as firefight. Money based card game, that failed and we are now supposed to pay for firefighter? I’m passing on future 343 titles unless something changes, it happens with other companies in various forms, I stopped purchasing bioware, EA, EA sports but that’s just me and my consumer choices, spending money on products that I enjoy and deliver what’s advertised.
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> > I doubt most of it is 343 by the way, I’m all for it if you want to Down Microsoft though!
> > THEY are evil man, 343 makes games, I need testimonial proof before I can rush to the conclusion the most fun idea for a gamemode that 343 INDUSTRIES came up was
> > The only thing I would blame 343 for is if the game is unfinished, lazy, and or the story was bad, but that’s not the topic at hand.
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> > I’m not trying to attack you, I just want to let you know that people like me aren’t bad when all we want is to see Halo, or in this case, Halo Wars 2, get better, in a ways of criticism, while not down right saying that 343 are some of the worst game designers alive.
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> > Aren’t I allowed to do that? D:
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> idk man i feel weird quoting myself but Rainbow 6 Siege is a Fully Supported AAA title and they release 3 years of free content free dlc operators and free maps
> it has a lot to do with the developers plans
> 343 definitely had a say in this
> and they are definitely to blame for such terrible pricing on something that most of the community agrees shouldnt have a price tag at all

They probably had a say, but who does anybody think really runs the money over there?
Until they prove to me that they make bad decisions on purpose by making Halo 6 another unfinished, uninspired campaign with Cortana as the villain for some reason, I’m blaming Microsoft, cause it makes sense if 343 wants to make good games, only making by, were they not shadowed by the biggest corporate producer in history
They all want money, but 343’s gotta do something so -Yoinking!- obvious before they make me think they’re the bad guys here.

This game made me think otherwise because I could feel the passion just leaking from the campaign! But thats a discussion for another time.

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> If you’re going to comment weird comments in defense of a game no one is asking you to defend on a thread meant for players who are not happy with said game. If you don’t agree that’s fine and I said fake account because why would someone read through a thread that was created to talk about awakening the nightmare not being included in the season pass and then proceed to post in favor for a company that hasn’t even commented because they have terrible public relations. I don’t understand you forum trolls, ahh, “dis good dam, you pay good cheap already.” “Get new 5 mission, oh amazing.” I would never have purchased this game if I knew all content wasn’t to be included and 343/Microsoft knows a lot of players would not of purchased it, fans that love the game would of waited until the so called, “complete” edition. This is the only place for this to be addressed and if nothing else maybe sketchy or someone else from 343 could see the thread and address the community, instead for some reason there’s 343 hero’s, “no it’s good game you got what you pay and more.” there’s a few other threads related to this, also the other part is the huge giant ball that 343 dropped during the active seasons. DLC was late and buggy every time, a few times game breaking and unplayable after updates. The multiplayer couldn’t stay competitive and consistent and blitz was a joke and the missions were fine but could of been better. You can’t have an active online gaming community and a game that’s not updated often and broken in the meta. Those that mentioned how we got the definitive edition of HALO wars, I already played that game 10 years ago and “remastering” it and saling it to me again is unnecessary I’d rather have the actual new content, game modes, firefight and flood, not a revamp on graphics of a game I’ll never play again because I played it when it came out. If you liked the definitive edition that’s fine but Pretending that’s not what they did may be naive. If you’re not a fake account then ok I found it confusing why it’s necessary for you to defend 343 Against our comments seems like a waste a time on your part if you’re happy with the game. Unless your just a troll with nothing to really bring to the conversation other than being a troll. We’re discussing as consumers that a company was dishonest and hasn’t addressed it. This isn’t to attack 343 but it is pointing out the obvious.

You can quote if you want to address specific people.
I’m all for your argument, just putting that out there, I argued here months ago and I think the price is stupid, and this increase throughout countries is -Yoink- as well.
These forums are made for discussion though, they aren’t just for people who hate the game, 343 hired people who hated Halo to make Halo 4 “Better”, and where did that get them?
It’s an interesting idea but these forums are made for everyone, some of us just don’t like the other side’s wording of certain things like Halo Wars 2, I don’t see how we’re forum trolls if we like the game, and I know you used “Forum Trolls” to describe those who said you should pay more money, but I have a feeling you just mean everyone who likes 343.

Also, is this Forum, that was made for discussion of all opinions, apparently made for those who hate the ATN pricing to come here and ventilate, with NO other opinions at all? Weird people commenting weird comments defending a game that nobody is asking them to defend?
I’m sorry man, but nobody is asking anybody to do anything, we’re all here for a cause, and that cause is not made for people who don’t like the game, it’s made for everyone, this is a forum, it’s in the rules.

I’m pretty sure most people agree with you dude, including me, but nobody can get on board with an analogy like that. Everyone deserves an opinion. Forums would be really really really boring if that was the case.

I didn’t quote anyone for a reason, because I’m not calling anyone out specifically. If I must let me clarify I don’t me those of you with valid opinions about pricing and are for/like current 343 products. I meant half cocked comments that say we are whining and complaining or just say we are stupid. A lot of them are broken English and accounts with no activity, to be honest after these next couple days I’ll never really have anything to do with this company, site, or games again I was just venting my frustration that clearly many agree with throughout many forums. I wasn’t commenting to anyone not trolling and I also said fake accounts because that’s how off and random some of the messages and post are. This isn’t the only problem I’ve had with 343/Microsoft but this was the nail in the coffin. They can easily make ATN available to season pass holders, not for a discount free, that’ll do more for profits that what they’re currently doing. That’s my opinion but the game hasn’t even been fun at times because of balance and technical issues throughout all 7 seasons why would I pay more now? All opinions are valid but we’re posting because of frustration so the company can see it, or at least it’s known. Counter points are good for debate and please post away but anyone frustrated isn’t going to be receptive of those opinions(most likely) because we’ve already looked at the information and made a decision hence the thread. This doesn’t mean anyone should attack your counterpoints or you with name calling. Same as if someone wants to respond to you directly it should be applicable and polite. This also doesn’t mean it’s invalid if you post it should be thoughtfully considered by anyone posting in the forum. That’s how it should work even if I disagree with you, that’s why I didnt say anyone specific and certainly not you

I’m so glad that this thread is still alive it just shows 343I how angry you are although I would like to ask those of you who like me refused to buy ATN to like this post that is all.

My problem with 343 game industries is the next few things.
They have messed up a lot!

  1. they brought out Halo 4 where all the feeling is left out of the original game material.
    It was like yea we are big fans, but when they started with the game every little bit of feeling with the original material was gone!
    They even hat the nerve to change the music and sell it like yea you guys wanted it.

  2. Halo MMC is really a big -Yoink- you Halo community and give us money!
    Day one release was so bad that they said sorry and well we excepted that because yea you can make mistakes but.

  3. Halo 5 they removed split screen because yea -Yoink- you community! They even have the nerve to add achievements you can only get with co-op so what buy 2 consoles or find friends that have Xbox one (While Play station is way more popular in my country, so -Yoink- you Xbox loyal fans) Also added micro-transactions into the game because -Yoink- you give us money!

  4. Halo Wars 2 they tell us Season pass you get DLC included so buy early and remove a lot they could have stored in the -Yoinking!- game in the first place. All those leaders do you guys really think that they did not have the time to give them on the original release of the game? Also the part where you can use them the best for is filled with micro-transactions again in a full payed game. So they are like well thanks for paying 70 bugs but -Yoink- you pay a lot more because we don’t give a -Yoink- about you!

  5. Halo 6 they said sorry for removing a lot of fan favorite stuff and they only say sorry??? Your joking right because sorry does not come close to what you guys owe us now. We have put up with all this -Yoink- and in Halo 6 you will put again probably micro-transactions, -Yoink- DLC what should have been in the original game in the first place and say well that is 5 bugs each and add some -Yoink- short campaign missions and expect us to keep paying up! Really in my opinion you guys suck a lot!

You guys promised us a lot and said we have listened to the big fan base. But if you look at how many times you -Yoinked!- it all up well you didn’t.
The only thing 343 studios did very good was -Yoinking!- us over and getting a lot of money in the process.
Every time they are sorry and promise us that they will fix it and expect us to pay again and again when they -Yoink- up.
I think we should be compensated with this very crapy work!
So how about this? Give us Halo 6 for free and then put your micro-transactions into that game.
Because Micro-Transactions where invented by free to play games in order that the studio could still make money because it is all a business and they gave it for free in order to get a big player base and earn a lot in the process.

So if you guys want to really listen to the Halo community like you say you guys do.
Give us Halo 6 for free or stop all this -Yoink- and remove micro-transactions and stop -Yoinking!- with the original lore and textures just update them and give us a good story.
No -Yoink-. I bet you guys started being a game developer to make good games that people enjoy, don’t -Yoink- them over and say well we are sorry but keep paying for it tho!

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> My problem with 343 game industries is the next few things.
> They have messed up a lot!
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> 1. they brought out Halo 4 where all the feeling is left out of the original game material.
> It was like yea we are big fans, but when they started with the game every little bit of feeling with the original material was gone!
> They even hat the nerve to change the music and sell it like yea you guys wanted it.
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> 2. Halo MMC is really a big -Yoink- you Halo community and give us money!
> Day one release was so bad that they said sorry and well we excepted that because yea you can make mistakes but.
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> 3. Halo 5 they removed split screen because yea -Yoink- you community! They even have the nerve to add achievements you can only get with co-op so what buy 2 consoles or find friends that have Xbox one (While Play station is way more popular in my country, so -Yoink- you Xbox loyal fans) Also added micro-transactions into the game because -Yoink- you give us money!
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> 4. Halo Wars 2 they tell us Season pass you get DLC included so buy early and remove a lot they could have stored in the -Yoinking!- game in the first place. All those leaders do you guys really think that they did not have the time to give them on the original release of the game? Also the part where you can use them the best for is filled with micro-transactions again in a full payed game. So they are like well thanks for paying 70 bugs but -Yoink- you pay a lot more because we don’t give a -Yoink- about you!
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> 5. Halo 6 they said sorry for removing a lot of fan favorite stuff and they only say sorry??? Your joking right because sorry does not come close to what you guys owe us now. We have put up with all this -Yoink- and in Halo 6 you will put again probably micro-transactions, -Yoink- DLC what should have been in the original game in the first place and say well that is 5 bugs each and add some -Yoink- short campaign missions and expect us to keep paying up! Really in my opinion you guys suck a lot!
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> You guys promised us a lot and said we have listened to the big fan base. But if you look at how many times you -Yoinked!- it all up well you didn’t.
> The only thing 343 studios did very good was -Yoinking!- us over and getting a lot of money in the process.
> Every time they are sorry and promise us that they will fix it and expect us to pay again and again when they -Yoink- up.
> I think we should be compensated with this very crapy work!
> So how about this? Give us Halo 6 for free and then put your micro-transactions into that game.
> Because Micro-Transactions where invented by free to play games in order that the studio could still make money because it is all a business and they gave it for free in order to get a big player base and earn a lot in the process.
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> So if you guys want to really listen to the Halo community like you say you guys do.
> Give us Halo 6 for free or stop all this -Yoink- and remove micro-transactions and stop -Yoinking!- with the original lore and textures just update them and give us a good story.
> No -Yoink-. I bet you guys started being a game developer to make good games that people enjoy, don’t -Yoink- them over and say well we are sorry but keep paying for it tho!

dont forget how MMC multiplayer was such a joke that it was basically worthless to try and play
dont forget how they want to strip the halo of everything that was good about it and fun about it
halo 6 probably wont have any covenant at all
every single ai they make is terrible and makes it less and less halo with every game

What I am most upset about is really the confusion. I was lead to believe that a campaign expansion would be included with the ultimate edition. The release of the Operation: Spearbreaker expac was so low key. I wouldnt say I’m a constant waypoint crawler, but I would like to think that I keep up with things for the most part when it comes to my favorite franchise. So when I saw Awakening the Nightmare teased, advertised, and then release I was so excited to jump in (thinking that I had automatic access to the DLC because of the Ultimate Edition purchase). But when I went to go download the DLC and saw the $20 price tag I was confused as to why it wasn’t free for me. So here I find myself, on Waypoint, to find out that Operation: Spearbreaker is my “free expac”. The disappointment is on a whole new level.

I’ve loved this franchise for over 15 years, and I want to see it continue to grow. So I wont be toxic, but instead offer some feedback (which I’m sure 343 has heard many times now). 343, please please please, be more in sync with your marketing team. I wont re-iterate the feelings of being miss-lead in regards to Halo 5 as I’m sure everyone knows how the Halo Community feels about that. But this continues to re-enforce the issue. The campaign expansion I thought I was going to get when I purchased the Ultimate edition is what Awakening the Nightmare appears to be (as I have yet to play it), yet I found out that it is not. So here I am again, feeling mislead. 343, I truly hope you see this, and I hope that moving forward we learn to grow and make the splash that we believe Halo 6 can be (and all future Halo Wars 2 expacs if they are in development).

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> I’ve loved this franchise for over 15 years, and I want to see it continue to grow. So I wont be toxic, but instead offer some feedback (which I’m sure 343 has heard many times now). 343, please please please, be more in sync with your marketing team. I wont re-iterate the feelings of being miss-lead in regards to Halo 5 as I’m sure everyone knows how the Halo Community feels about that. But this continues to re-enforce the issue. The campaign expansion I thought I was going to get when I purchased the Ultimate edition is what Awakening the Nightmare appears to be (as I have yet to play it), yet I found out that it is not. So here I am again, feeling mislead. 343, I truly hope you see this, and I hope that moving forward we learn to grow and make the splash that we believe Halo 6 can be (and all future Halo Wars 2 expacs if they are in development).

I support this completely. 10/10 post my friend

I am still enjoying halo wars 2 but to sell a game package described as The Ultimate Edition which contains a season pass then to create content outside of this is bad form and you have lost the trust of a large chunk of your customer base. Buying a season pass is like pre-ordering and the customer shows a lot of faith and loyalty only to be treated like a mug. We accept a lot as customers such as paid DLC and micro-transactions but I personally feel I’ve been mis-sold a product and would love to know your interpretation of the difference between Ultimate and Complete as to me Ultimate means the best and I feel second rate right now.

So have you people learned something about pre-ordering/season passes/ultimate editions? Will you stop giving in now?
The companies have become greedy yes but YOU people are the problem by giving them reason( read) money to do this kind of stuff.
Stop pre-ordering etc.

What really annoyed me regarding this is that I spend $90.00 AUD for the Ultimate Edition and if I had wait until now I could have the complete edition for another $6.00 AUD. Now it make my previous purchase up to the complete I have to spend another $30.00 AUD. What a ripoff.