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> I was under the impression that the season pass would contain any of the upcoming dlc including the awakening the nightmare expansion. We haven’t even received the full amount of content from the original season pass and what little content we have received are several characters with limited differences. I am very disappointed with how this is turning out and it discourages me from playing a game that I enjoy.
We are going to receive all of the content planned in the season pass before ATN releases.
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> > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
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> > Yep, you said it.
> > As well as factoring in how someone said how expensive Blur scenes are.
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> > Plus, it’s not like 343 is making you pay for it. If people find it $20 that bad, just don’t buy it, therefore there is no need to complain; simple.
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> We don’t want it to be given away. We want it to be included in the season pass WE ALREADY PAID FOR. That isn’t it being given away. Also having Grim say it was never intended to be included is an even bigger slap in the face. Sell us a season pass and release a paid expansion immediately after you stop supporting said pass?
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> Holy hell can people read and comprehend the stuff we’ve been saying for the past 24 pages?
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> How expensive are Blur cutscenes? Do we have proof of how expensive they are? Just saying it must be expensive because CGI is pretty weak especially since we don’t know how many cutscenes will be included. Not to mention, again that this game has microtransactions in it already. The game has more streams of potential revenue than most other games these days.
No one at 343 EVER said you’d be obtaining specific upcoming DLC Content. You’re getting a set of DLC Missions, which is Spearbreaker. Never did anyone specify what one you’d get, as ATN may not even have been in production back then.
And if you need me to reiterate myself that much, I’ll say it *again.*You’re not being made to pay for it. You paid for a season pass with new leaders and DLC campaign content. You are getting new leaders and (soon) DLC Campaign content. I guess you really can’t please anyone nowadays.
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> I was under the impression that the season pass would contain any of the upcoming dlc
Well, you shouldn’t be, you likely never read the SP description, and also likely think that a Season Pass is a Lifetime Pass.
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Also am I the only one who would like the choice to choose what color my army will be rather than being forced into a set color?
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> > > > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> > > >
> > > > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
> > >
> > > Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
> > >
> > > That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.
> >
> > Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.
> >
> > We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.
> >
> > We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.
> >
> > They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.
> >
> > We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).
> >
> > We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.
> >
> > We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.
> >
> > We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.
> >
> > They also released Halo 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.
> >
> > Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.
> >
> > The list goes on and on.
>
> At this point, do they even know that the fan opinion of them is predominately negative? Like, I know not all of us hate what they are doing but a lot of us do. It seems like they are holding their hands to their ears so they can’t hear us and are continuing to do things their way while ignoring fans. And they do it in such a rude way. I know that we aren’t the ones in creative control, but they could at least listen to our concerns. My advice, we should speak with our wallets. Don’t buy their games until they start listening to us. With the sales dropping from Halo 5 and Halo Wars, plus the lack of sales being the big reason Halo 3A isn’t happening, I would say we are catching on. They can only not listen so much before it hurts them as a company and we force their hand.
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> Don’t get me wrong, I don’t WANT them to go under. I don’t want hundreds of people to lose their jobs. But they can’t keep ignoring us. Maybe they will get the hint and actually release something we like. The last game I enjoyed was Halo 4. Nothing since. Of course, a certain person who wrote Halo 5 and Escalation being the story lead is not helping. They need to shake things up, stop focusing on multiplayer, stop focusing on micro transactions, go back to mid 2000’s gaming where we focused more on campaign and gameplay, and people will start liking them again.
Perhaps… I believe two of their biggest problems are communication and honesty.
In my opinion the ultimate edition was worth it samr goes for the season pass,but what i hate the most is that 90% of the season pass are dlc leaders with just a unit of difference
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> > > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
> > >
> > > Yep, you said it.
> > > As well as factoring in how someone said how expensive Blur scenes are.
> > >
> > > Plus, it’s not like 343 is making you pay for it. If people find it $20 that bad, just don’t buy it, therefore there is no need to complain; simple.
> >
> > We don’t want it to be given away. We want it to be included in the season pass WE ALREADY PAID FOR. That isn’t it being given away. Also having Grim say it was never intended to be included is an even bigger slap in the face. Sell us a season pass and release a paid expansion immediately after you stop supporting said pass?
> >
> > Holy hell can people read and comprehend the stuff we’ve been saying for the past 24 pages?
> >
> > How expensive are Blur cutscenes? Do we have proof of how expensive they are? Just saying it must be expensive because CGI is pretty weak especially since we don’t know how many cutscenes will be included. Not to mention, again that this game has microtransactions in it already. The game has more streams of potential revenue than most other games these days.
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> No one at 343 EVER said you’d be obtaining specific upcoming DLC Content. You’re getting a set of DLC Missions, which is Spearbreaker. Never did anyone specify what one you’d get, as ATN may not even have been in production back then.
> And if you need me to reiterate myself that much, I’ll say it *again.*You’re not being made to pay for it. You paid for a season pass with new leaders and DLC campaign content. You are getting new leaders and (soon) DLC Campaign content. I guess you really can’t please anyone nowadays.
Well, the issue is they sold the UE and season pass with the word “expansion” in it. Expansions are normally much longer and more content (e.g. ATN). After many had purchased they changed expansion to “missions” at which point they could fulfill the wording with a couple of missions (Spear breaker).
So yes, you are right. They never directly said ATN, but they changed the wording post sale to give less for the same amount of money.
This is what the description of the season pass said before they changed it: http://i.imgur.com/XHzQxXy.png
- regular updates | 
- more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
- new leaders |
- new units |
- a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
- even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed. 
Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
Best regards, your customers
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> This is what the description of the season pass said before they changed it: http://i.imgur.com/XHzQxXy.png
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> - regular updates |
> - more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
> - new leaders | **- new units** |
> - a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
> - even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed.
>
> Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
> Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
>
> The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
>
> If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
>
> Best regards, your customers
Did they really do this?? (Thinking of buying the UE, but now…)
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> > - regular updates |
> > - more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
> > - new leaders | **- new units** |
> > - a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
> > - even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed.
> >
> > Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
> > Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
> >
> > The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
> >
> > If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
> >
> > Best regards, your customers
>
> Did they really do this?? (Thinking of buying the UE, but now…)
Since you can get it for 50% off it’s well worth it’s price, still a great game and you’ll get all the DLC in the season pass.
I’m quite satisfied with the game having gotten it on sale i did miss out on 6 months of play though. If you think they’re not doing right by the customers but still like the games i’d suggest stop preordering. Wait for a good sale 
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> > > - regular updates |
> > > - more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
> > > - new leaders | **- new units** |
> > > - a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
> > > - even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed.
> > >
> > > Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
> > > Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
> > >
> > > The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
> > >
> > > If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
> > >
> > > Best regards, your customers
> >
> > Did they really do this?? (Thinking of buying the UE, but now…)
>
> Since you can get it for 50% off it’s well worth it’s price, still a great game and you’ll get all the DLC in the season pass.
Hm it looks like it’s mostly a lot of leaders. Well if you had a choice between base game + “season pass” or base game + expansion, which would you spend on?
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> > > > This really sucks. What is the point of a Season Pass if you don’t get all future content?
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> > > > And 20 bucks is an insane asking price for this. The game isn’t exactly content-heavy to begin with.
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> > > > > I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
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> > > > An “Expansion” is more than 2 missions, a couple new leaders, and 1 new mode…
> > > >
> > > > I miss the days where expansions added a sequel’s worth of content to a game…
>
> 3. False. A season pass is exactly as implied - a seasonal pass. Season meaning temporary. You don’t get a Summer pass at a theme park and get upset when they don’t accept your pass in the Fall, right?
“Season” also means to add spices/flavors onto food. Courts again and again hold that the only relevant meaning in a purchase issue like this is the commonly understood meaning in the context of the activity/industry. In this case, “season pass” has been explicitly marketed by sellers as, understood by buyers as, and allowed by sellers to be understood by buyers as “the sum of the major DLC supplements to the base game”. If the seller here wanted to reserve their right to sell ATN on its own when it clearly meets the definition of major DLC supplements (which is not exclusionary of its seller-given designation of “expansion”–the threshold over which to escape its identity as DLC is to make a sequel), then they needed to have IDed the season pass as a “DLC Value Bundle” or some other name clearly differentiated from the commonly held definition of “season pass” in order to show clear intent and arguable clarity of communication to buyers of the distinction from the reasonable expectation by buyers that it was a season pass (again, allowed by sellers to be understood by the buyers as the whole of the planned major DLC offerings for the base game). None of the exceptions to this apply to the seller here: they’re obviously sophisticated in this industry and specific issue, and they obviously have been fully aware of buyer understandings through their longtime participation in this industry.
The issue isn’t legality, however; it’s enforceability. That’s where individual buyers won’t be able to force compensation. So, just give up and accept it? Yes and no. Accept that we can’t enforce anything, but make some noise for at least the chance of collateral pressure on competing sellers to avoid this kind of misleading sales language.
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> > > >
> > > > - regular updates |
> > > > - more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
> > > > - new leaders | **- new units** |
> > > > - a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
> > > > - even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed.
> > > >
> > > > Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
> > > > Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
> > > >
> > > > The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
> > > >
> > > > If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, your customers
> >
> > Since you can get it for 50% off it’s well worth it’s price, still a great game and you’ll get all the DLC in the season pass.
>
> Hm it looks like it’s mostly a lot of leaders. Well if you had a choice between base game + “season pass” or base game + expansion, which would you spend on?
Me personally? That’s a hard choice…I’d probably choose base game and season pass, but that’s mostly because I play loads of multiplayer. If I was more story focused I’d choose base game and ATN
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> > > >
> > > > - regular updates |
> > > > - more than six months | not six months, more than six months! In progress…
> > > > - new leaders | **- new units** |
> > > > - a new campaign expansion | not just some missions like it is written now in the description, it said “a new campaign expansion” and I expect exactly that - a whole expansion!
> > > > - even more content to be announced soon | I’m excited to hear about that, since almost six months have passed.
> > > >
> > > > Changing the description alone is nothing less than fraud or willful deception of the customer. Most of the customers bought the season pass because they wanted a new campaign expansion. This is the big DLC here, that’s what they cared for, not some lazy leaders. Leaders are okay, but not worth buying the season pass. You took out the main incentive to buy the season pass and overpriced the remaining small content. Those leaders are never worth 7$ each. You just chose that price so all leaders add up to the 30$ that the season pass costs and no one can blame you for not delivering content as worthy as the price of the season pass.
> > > > Though it didn’t clearly say which campaign expansion we will get, one can assume it will be the first campaign expansion that is announced.
> > > >
> > > > The customers gave you money before they got any products. And with their money they gave their trust as well. You are obliged to fulfill your promises and deliver the content that was advertised.
> > > >
> > > > If we get everything that we have been promised, everything is fine. But if you don’t deliver what you advertised I will demand a refund and I will also see if I can take legal measures.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, your customers
>
> Hm it looks like it’s mostly a lot of leaders. Well if you had a choice between base game + “season pass” or base game + expansion, which would you spend on?
I think the expansion has 2 leaders, the firefight and the campaign, it really depends on what content you want. The base game’s campaign didn’t seem that great or long to me so I don’t think the expansion’s story will be that long either.
I’d pick the season pass because more leaders give more longevity to skirmish and multiplayer.
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Yes, they did. Go back to my post, there is a link to an image showing what the description said before launch. Now compare it to what it says now.
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> Yes, they did. Go back to my post, there is a link to an image showing what the description said before launch. Now compare it to what it says now.
How in hell did marketing get the go-ahead to change that?
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> > Yes, they did. Go back to my post, there is a link to an image showing what the description said before launch. Now compare it to what it says now.
>
> How in hell did marketing get the go-ahead to change that?
They changed it months before release, so they probably didn’t forsee the problems that could arise.
