ATN Not In Season Pass?

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> > > > > > Yo its twenty bucks. Have yall ever played/bought and expansion before??? Not a big deal tbh. We are getting more leaders and spearbreaker so i don’t see all the fuss. This wasn’t expected in the since that we thought the Campaign dlc would something like Atn. Maybe, appreciate the content we have recieved : /
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> > > > > It isn’t the issue that $20 is or isn’t affordable. The issue is that this expansion should have been either included in the season pass or we should have been made well aware that the season pass wouldn’t contain all the content before launch because a lot of people probably would’ve just bought ATN rather than the whole season pass and saved themselves a good chunk of change.
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> > > > > It’s a complete failure to communicate with the playerbase properly (something 343 has an extremely frustrating habit of) and it’s shady on top of that.
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> > > > > I can afford the $15-$20 for each CoD expansion pack. Doesn’t mean I am just going to mindlessly drop money on it. I could afford all the Destiny DLC as they released, but that doesn’t nean they weren’t overpriced pieces of trash.
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> > > > > This is gaming as a hobby champ there are so many different ways for us to spend our money and when you’re shady about something or intentionally vague to the put you need to split hairs to get a point on a technicality I will very easily say screw it and put my money somewhere else that I feel is worth my time.
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> > > > So in retrospect i can understand activison’s bad practices. But ive been playing CA games for awile and they have a multitude of expansions. 343 has given us leaders and has been balancing the game out while they communicate.
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> > > > AtN could be one of many expansions, and im glad they didn’t put it in the season pass. They shouldn’t work for free. Everything they do takes skill and dedication, even if they mess up or don’t satisfy fans or consumers.
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> > > Uh we paid for the season pass/ultimate edition in advance didn’t we? That’s not called working for free where I am from it’s called being paid in advance. And I also have to disagree with 343 communicating. I mean yea sure they’re finally saying something, but this thread wouldn’t have been a thing if they clearly addressed anything outside of community updates that only a few people follow.
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> > > Also again, I disagree on your last point too. If they do a crappy job you shouldn’t get paid, at least the full amount. You’re paid to do a job and meet/exceed expectations. You don’t do a piss poor job and then ask where your money is.
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> > You paid in advance. No ones fault. You recieved content and will continue receiving twenty extra dollars worth of content.
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> > AtN is not part of the season pass so my “working for free” statement holds. Not all se8ason passes cover a games many dlc. The shady aspect that people find worrisome is mostly people expecting what they aren’t/weren’t entitled too and not being satisfied with their current product.
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> > Atn will be a new mode and campaign with new features and two leaders. The seasonpass was paid in advance for things we expected but weren’t 100% sure would be satisfying. Do to leader reveals, what if someone didn’t like the leaders or wanted something else, jusy because they paid for it? You get what is given to you and in the end Atn wasn’t part of that.
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> > And making a mistake isn’t doing a piss poor job. Some people may enjoy the content given, some may not.
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> Okay well this is clearly going nowhere since you’d rather dance around the points by splitting hairs and ignore the other points mentioned in my posts as well as the rest of the thread entirely so fine we’ll agree to disagree because I’m not about to waste time doing this when you seem to have an excuse prepared for everything.

How are these excuses? I acknowledged and responded to your comments that addressed what i said. My point is that people will never be satisfied and expect more than they are given.

Your point is that you disagree with 343 and CA for releasing content outside of the seasonpass and not being specific about it. You misread one of my points about working for free so i reiterated. Thats not an excuse for everything but ok.

Easy to disregard someone when you disagree with them, but w.e whats the point in discussing anything when it won’t change a thing.

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I recall them calling ATN an expansion and have not called spearheaded an expansion but story missions (they also understand the terms they used because they changed their terminology after I bought the game) so to say this was the expansion promised would be an understandable leap of logic

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> > > > > > > Yo its twenty bucks. Have yall ever played/bought and expansion before??? Not a big deal tbh. We are getting more leaders and spearbreaker so i don’t see all the fuss. This wasn’t expected in the since that we thought the Campaign dlc would something like Atn. Maybe, appreciate the content we have recieved : /
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> > > > > > It isn’t the issue that $20 is or isn’t affordable. The issue is that this expansion should have been either included in the season pass or we should have been made well aware that the season pass wouldn’t contain all the content before launch because a lot of people probably would’ve just bought ATN rather than the whole season pass and saved themselves a good chunk of change.
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> > > > > > It’s a complete failure to communicate with the playerbase properly (something 343 has an extremely frustrating habit of) and it’s shady on top of that.
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> > > > > > I can afford the $15-$20 for each CoD expansion pack. Doesn’t mean I am just going to mindlessly drop money on it. I could afford all the Destiny DLC as they released, but that doesn’t nean they weren’t overpriced pieces of trash.
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> > > > > > This is gaming as a hobby champ there are so many different ways for us to spend our money and when you’re shady about something or intentionally vague to the put you need to split hairs to get a point on a technicality I will very easily say screw it and put my money somewhere else that I feel is worth my time.
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> > > > > So in retrospect i can understand activison’s bad practices. But ive been playing CA games for awile and they have a multitude of expansions. 343 has given us leaders and has been balancing the game out while they communicate.
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> > > > > AtN could be one of many expansions, and im glad they didn’t put it in the season pass. They shouldn’t work for free. Everything they do takes skill and dedication, even if they mess up or don’t satisfy fans or consumers.
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> > > > Uh we paid for the season pass/ultimate edition in advance didn’t we? That’s not called working for free where I am from it’s called being paid in advance. And I also have to disagree with 343 communicating. I mean yea sure they’re finally saying something, but this thread wouldn’t have been a thing if they clearly addressed anything outside of community updates that only a few people follow.
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> > > > Also again, I disagree on your last point too. If they do a crappy job you shouldn’t get paid, at least the full amount. You’re paid to do a job and meet/exceed expectations. You don’t do a piss poor job and then ask where your money is.
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> > > You paid in advance. No ones fault. You recieved content and will continue receiving twenty extra dollars worth of content.
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> > > AtN is not part of the season pass so my “working for free” statement holds. Not all se8ason passes cover a games many dlc. The shady aspect that people find worrisome is mostly people expecting what they aren’t/weren’t entitled too and not being satisfied with their current product.
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> > > Atn will be a new mode and campaign with new features and two leaders. The seasonpass was paid in advance for things we expected but weren’t 100% sure would be satisfying. Do to leader reveals, what if someone didn’t like the leaders or wanted something else, jusy because they paid for it? You get what is given to you and in the end Atn wasn’t part of that.
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> > > And making a mistake isn’t doing a piss poor job. Some people may enjoy the content given, some may not.
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> > Okay well this is clearly going nowhere since you’d rather dance around the points by splitting hairs and ignore the other points mentioned in my posts as well as the rest of the thread entirely so fine we’ll agree to disagree because I’m not about to waste time doing this when you seem to have an excuse prepared for everything.
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> How are these excuses? I acknowledged and responded to your comments that addressed what i said. My point is that people will never be satisfied and expect more than they are given.
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> Your point is that you disagree with 343 and CA for releasing content outside of the seasonpass and not being specific about it. You misread one of my points about working for free so i reiterated. Thats not an excuse for everything but ok.
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> Easy to disregard someone when you disagree with them, but w.e whats the point in discussing anything when it won’t change a thing.

You need to read the rest of the thread. Between how shady the entire announcement was and changing the wording in the store after most of us bought the darn thing they’re sneaking this out. Them working for free is highly debatable and nigh on a moot point. Had they included it in the pass your entire point is out the window not to mention since CA is an outside dev they’re probably being paid on a contract by MS. The devs are getting paid either way here and working for free really isn’t that great of an excuse when tons of other developers give free content.

Is that working for free? It’s debatable because it brings goodwill and more copies purchased which means the sales go up which equals paid. Let’s also not forget that this game has microtransactions. This game has so many avenues of revenue it’s disgusting yet you’re saying the devs work for free if they give people who already paid for the game and a season pass the DLC for no additional charge.

On your point of satisfaction it’s called consumerism. We have the power and we have the money. These companies compete for that money and entice us to spend it. Is it really us wanting more than we’re given or is it other developers and publishers offering us more and being transparent. Maybe if 343 had been straight with me I would be willing to pay them for their work, but they hoodwinked a lot of people and you’re reasoning is “hey can’t work for free.” Which is so paperthin an argument especially for a game that sold full retail, had a seasonpass, ultimate edition, microtransactions and now a separate paid DLC.

Anything else you said has literally been beaten to death. I don’t call 8 leaders or whatever $20-$30 of content especially when it was advertised as being more. Whatever happened to welcome to the ark? The change from expansion to missions? Saying ATN wasn’t originally planned, but releasing it within 1 year of the game’s launch and announcing it not even 4 months after the game’s launch especially because they need to storyboard this and let Blur know they want to do cutscenes. They’ve had this planned ever since the comics referenced that there were still some flood forms on board the SoF. We knew we would, in all likelihood, see the flood again with the SoF.

If you want to be an apologist for a company that takes your money and renegs on paid agreements you do you, but don’t say I expect too much or am entitled when I have a mound of evidence and 36 pages of discussion that I’m sitting on. That’s just ignorant.

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> > > > > > > > > > preaches about shadiness, goes to McDonald’s
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> > > > > > > > > I’m actually legitimately curious was this comment directed at me? Regardless, I’m also curious about what shady stuff McDonald’s does (I actually want to know, those stories are usually entertaining) but you can send that in a PM as it doesn’t have much relevance here. As for my eating habits, I can’t remember the last time I went to McDonald’s or fast food in general. I’m at University now and actually cook most things myself, it’s fun trying new recipes.
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> > > > > > > > > Again that was off topic, back on topic though I don’t find issue with pointing out a company’s unethical or bad business practices and 343 Industries are not exempt from this especially now days when, should they decide to read these forums, we can tell them exactly how we think or feel regarding their decisions. This forum is essentially a place they can gather massive amounts of valuable data to help guide their future business decisions. A lot of companies still have to rely on little incentives on a receipt in order to entice customers to give them feedback. 343 Industries gets all the feedback they could ever want from these forums.
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> > > > > > > > > Whether 343 Industries decides to use this feedback however… It’s entirely up to them.
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> > > > > > > > Isn’t official forums a way to let their stake holders be heard? Surely this thread has been noticed by now. 343 is now more shady than ONI. Black box would do this… He is in charge isnt he… :scream:
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> > > > > > > Just because they haven’t replied on the thread doesn’t mean they’re ignoring it. We’ll see what the future holds.
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> > > > > > You see? That’s a problem I have with a lot of the fan base. The fan base keeps saying “Give it time” or “We’ll see” or “Give them another chance, they’re new at this”. I’ve been hearing that from community members since they released Halo CEA without true classic multiplayer, been hearing it since we saw the first footage of Halo 4 when things didn’t look quite right, heard it when they announced there were no plans for a Halo 4 beta, I heard it repeatedly as Halo 4’s population tanked less than 6 months after launch, I heard it from Bonnie Ross herself when she promised 343 Industries wouldn’t stop until The Master Chief Collection is to 100% in 2014 (still isn’t 100% btw), I heard it when Halo 5 released with a horrendous campaign and absolute bare bones multiplayer and I’m hearing it now when they pull the bait and switch with the Halo Wars 2 season pass.
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> > > > > > I’m tired of waiting and giving second, third, fourth and fifth chances. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo 4 and got it for free from work, I’m glad I didn’t even bother with Halo 5. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo Wars 2 or the rip off of a season pass. I’m just tired of 343 constantly messing everything up and still having people defend them. I’m just tired man.
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> > > > > This sentiment is beginning to grow popular ground by many. Halo wasn’t even at E3 and they overall reaction was “No Halo?, Weird shrug”
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> > > > > If they skipped Halo back in the glory days of the covenant wars there would have been riots.
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> > > > Agreed, I think people are finally beginning to just expect to be disappointed and or mislead by 343 Industries now.
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> > > I think what we are seeing is the result of 343/Microsoft just milking Halo. 343 can just toss out a Halo title and wring out every penny they can. They don’t have competition from other devs driving them to make a better Halo, they only have directives to bring in more Halo revenue. That means fans get treated like walking ATM’s, and the games go up in cost and down in quality.
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> > Yeah I can see that. Their big mistake was trying to cater to a new generation of gamers under the brand of an old game series that wasn’t known in the past for yearly releases with dumbed down combat. Halo was always been a game with a very specific niche of gamer. A lot of the younger generations will view Halo as old and washed up so they won’t even bother picking it up and those that do jump ship as soon as the next big fps release comes out a few months later. As for the veterans who have been playing the original trilogy for many years, these new Halo’s don’t cater to a lot of us and as a result a huge number of us jumped ship on Halo 4 mere months after it came out and now with the MCC and 343 insisting on sticking with their new failing path for Halo, most of us see no reason in buying these new bare bones microtransaction filled Halo imitations.
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> Plenty of “original fans” are present. I play consistently with memebers of my company since Halo 5 came out. Sure we can see problems, and even play other games from time to time becayse we arent living in nostalgia. Halo caters to a specific type of gamer, and and RTS very specific.
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> No one can hope to win over every generation. My younger siblings love Halo old and new. My older friends are now married with kids and don’t have time to play Halo just because its Halo.
> Microtransactions are apart of the current game market, just because Halo has them doesn’t mean they milk fans. Sure the idea is that people like Halo, and because of that they’ll keep making money. But the quality has gone up in their games, whether people like their new Halo or not.

How do you mean? Because when I think of “quality” I don’t think of removing features, gametypes, functionality, bumping up the bullet magnetism, nonsensical story lines and low resolution textures as quality.

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> > > > > > > > > > > preaches about shadiness, goes to McDonald’s
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> > > > > > > > > > I’m actually legitimately curious was this comment directed at me? Regardless, I’m also curious about what shady stuff McDonald’s does (I actually want to know, those stories are usually entertaining) but you can send that in a PM as it doesn’t have much relevance here. As for my eating habits, I can’t remember the last time I went to McDonald’s or fast food in general. I’m at University now and actually cook most things myself, it’s fun trying new recipes.
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> > > > > > > > > > Again that was off topic, back on topic though I don’t find issue with pointing out a company’s unethical or bad business practices and 343 Industries are not exempt from this especially now days when, should they decide to read these forums, we can tell them exactly how we think or feel regarding their decisions. This forum is essentially a place they can gather massive amounts of valuable data to help guide their future business decisions. A lot of companies still have to rely on little incentives on a receipt in order to entice customers to give them feedback. 343 Industries gets all the feedback they could ever want from these forums.
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> > > > > > > > > > Whether 343 Industries decides to use this feedback however… It’s entirely up to them.
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> > > > > > > > > Isn’t official forums a way to let their stake holders be heard? Surely this thread has been noticed by now. 343 is now more shady than ONI. Black box would do this… He is in charge isnt he… :scream:
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> > > > > > > > Just because they haven’t replied on the thread doesn’t mean they’re ignoring it. We’ll see what the future holds.
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> > > > > > > You see? That’s a problem I have with a lot of the fan base. The fan base keeps saying “Give it time” or “We’ll see” or “Give them another chance, they’re new at this”. I’ve been hearing that from community members since they released Halo CEA without true classic multiplayer, been hearing it since we saw the first footage of Halo 4 when things didn’t look quite right, heard it when they announced there were no plans for a Halo 4 beta, I heard it repeatedly as Halo 4’s population tanked less than 6 months after launch, I heard it from Bonnie Ross herself when she promised 343 Industries wouldn’t stop until The Master Chief Collection is to 100% in 2014 (still isn’t 100% btw), I heard it when Halo 5 released with a horrendous campaign and absolute bare bones multiplayer and I’m hearing it now when they pull the bait and switch with the Halo Wars 2 season pass.
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> > > > > > > I’m tired of waiting and giving second, third, fourth and fifth chances. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo 4 and got it for free from work, I’m glad I didn’t even bother with Halo 5. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo Wars 2 or the rip off of a season pass. I’m just tired of 343 constantly messing everything up and still having people defend them. I’m just tired man.
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> > > > > > This sentiment is beginning to grow popular ground by many. Halo wasn’t even at E3 and they overall reaction was “No Halo?, Weird shrug”
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> > > > > > If they skipped Halo back in the glory days of the covenant wars there would have been riots.
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> > > > > Agreed, I think people are finally beginning to just expect to be disappointed and or mislead by 343 Industries now.
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> > > > I think what we are seeing is the result of 343/Microsoft just milking Halo. 343 can just toss out a Halo title and wring out every penny they can. They don’t have competition from other devs driving them to make a better Halo, they only have directives to bring in more Halo revenue. That means fans get treated like walking ATM’s, and the games go up in cost and down in quality.
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> > > Yeah I can see that. Their big mistake was trying to cater to a new generation of gamers under the brand of an old game series that wasn’t known in the past for yearly releases with dumbed down combat. Halo was always been a game with a very specific niche of gamer. A lot of the younger generations will view Halo as old and washed up so they won’t even bother picking it up and those that do jump ship as soon as the next big fps release comes out a few months later. As for the veterans who have been playing the original trilogy for many years, these new Halo’s don’t cater to a lot of us and as a result a huge number of us jumped ship on Halo 4 mere months after it came out and now with the MCC and 343 insisting on sticking with their new failing path for Halo, most of us see no reason in buying these new bare bones microtransaction filled Halo imitations.
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> > Plenty of “original fans” are present. I play consistently with memebers of my company since Halo 5 came out. Sure we can see problems, and even play other games from time to time becayse we arent living in nostalgia. Halo caters to a specific type of gamer, and and RTS very specific.
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> > No one can hope to win over every generation. My younger siblings love Halo old and new. My older friends are now married with kids and don’t have time to play Halo just because its Halo.
> > Microtransactions are apart of the current game market, just because Halo has them doesn’t mean they milk fans. Sure the idea is that people like Halo, and because of that they’ll keep making money. But the quality has gone up in their games, whether people like their new Halo or not.
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> How do you mean? Because when I think of “quality” I don’t think of removing features, gametypes, functionality, bumping up the bullet magnetism, nonsensical story lines and low resolution textures as quality.

I wonder how he’ll explain the declining sales despite an “increasing amount of quality”

Also I just read the “every game has microtransactions” part. ughhhhhh yet he has the stones to say the devs don’t get paid when HW2 has paid DLC and microtransactions which is the definition of milking…also excusing it because other games do it. Hey Comcast throttles your internet so Verizon will do it too. Totally makes it okay amirite? /s

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> > > > > > > > Yo its twenty bucks. Have yall ever played/bought and expansion before??? Not a big deal tbh. We are getting more leaders and spearbreaker so i don’t see all the fuss. This wasn’t expected in the since that we thought the Campaign dlc would something like Atn. Maybe, appreciate the content we have recieved : /
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> > > > > > > It isn’t the issue that $20 is or isn’t affordable. The issue is that this expansion should have been either included in the season pass or we should have been made well aware that the season pass wouldn’t contain all the content before launch because a lot of people probably would’ve just bought ATN rather than the whole season pass and saved themselves a good chunk of change.
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> > > > > > > It’s a complete failure to communicate with the playerbase properly (something 343 has an extremely frustrating habit of) and it’s shady on top of that.
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> > > > > > > I can afford the $15-$20 for each CoD expansion pack. Doesn’t mean I am just going to mindlessly drop money on it. I could afford all the Destiny DLC as they released, but that doesn’t nean they weren’t overpriced pieces of trash.
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> > > > > > > This is gaming as a hobby champ there are so many different ways for us to spend our money and when you’re shady about something or intentionally vague to the put you need to split hairs to get a point on a technicality I will very easily say screw it and put my money somewhere else that I feel is worth my time.
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> > > > > > So in retrospect i can understand activison’s bad practices. But ive been playing CA games for awile and they have a multitude of expansions. 343 has given us leaders and has been balancing the game out while they communicate.
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> > > > > > AtN could be one of many expansions, and im glad they didn’t put it in the season pass. They shouldn’t work for free. Everything they do takes skill and dedication, even if they mess up or don’t satisfy fans or consumers.
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> > > > > Uh we paid for the season pass/ultimate edition in advance didn’t we? That’s not called working for free where I am from it’s called being paid in advance. And I also have to disagree with 343 communicating. I mean yea sure they’re finally saying something, but this thread wouldn’t have been a thing if they clearly addressed anything outside of community updates that only a few people follow.
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> > > > > Also again, I disagree on your last point too. If they do a crappy job you shouldn’t get paid, at least the full amount. You’re paid to do a job and meet/exceed expectations. You don’t do a piss poor job and then ask where your money is.
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> > > > You paid in advance. No ones fault. You recieved content and will continue receiving twenty extra dollars worth of content.
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> > > > AtN is not part of the season pass so my “working for free” statement holds. Not all se8ason passes cover a games many dlc. The shady aspect that people find worrisome is mostly people expecting what they aren’t/weren’t entitled too and not being satisfied with their current product.
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> > > > Atn will be a new mode and campaign with new features and two leaders. The seasonpass was paid in advance for things we expected but weren’t 100% sure would be satisfying. Do to leader reveals, what if someone didn’t like the leaders or wanted something else, jusy because they paid for it? You get what is given to you and in the end Atn wasn’t part of that.
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> > > > And making a mistake isn’t doing a piss poor job. Some people may enjoy the content given, some may not.
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> > How are these excuses? I acknowledged and responded to your comments that addressed what i said. My point is that people will never be satisfied and expect more than they are given.
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> > Your point is that you disagree with 343 and CA for releasing content outside of the seasonpass and not being specific about it. You misread one of my points about working for free so i reiterated. Thats not an excuse for everything but ok.
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> > Easy to disregard someone when you disagree with them, but w.e whats the point in discussing anything when it won’t change a thing.
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> You need to read the rest of the thread. Between how shady the entire announcement was and changing the wording in the store after most of us bought the darn thing they’re sneaking this out. Them working for free is highly debatable and nigh on a moot point. Had they included it in the pass your entire point is out the window not to mention since CA is an outside dev they’re probably being paid on a contract by MS. The devs are getting paid either way here and working for free really isn’t that great of an excuse when tons of other developers give free content.
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> Is that working for free? It’s debatable because it brings goodwill and more copies purchased which means the sales go up which equals paid. Let’s also not forget that this game has microtransactions. This game has so many avenues of revenue it’s disgusting yet you’re saying the devs work for free if they give people who already paid for the game and a season pass the DLC for no additional charge.
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> On your point of satisfaction it’s called consumerism. We have the power and we have the money. These companies compete for that money and entice us to spend it. Is it really us wanting more than we’re given or is it other developers and publishers offering us more and being transparent. Maybe if 343 had been straight with me I would be willing to pay them for their work, but they hoodwinked a lot of people and you’re reasoning is “hey can’t work for free.” Which is so paperthin an argument especially for a game that sold full retail, had a seasonpass, ultimate edition, microtransactions and now a separate paid DLC.
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> Anything else you said has literally been beaten to death. I don’t call 8 leaders or whatever $20-$30 of content especially when it was advertised as being more. Whatever happened to welcome to the ark? The change from expansion to missions? Saying ATN wasn’t originally planned, but releasing it within 1 year of the game’s launch and announcing it not even 4 months after the game’s launch?
>
> If you want to be an apologist for a company that takes your money and renegs on paid agreements you do you, but don’t say I expect too much or am entitled when I have a mound of evidence and 36 pages of discussion that I’m sitting on. That’s just ignorant.

This ^ Thank you. On top of that it’s feeling more and more that we are getting less for more money. Older games you got a full single and multiplayer experience with everything in the base game being exclusively unlockable by playing the games. Everything that required either achievements to unlock or grinding was cosmetic or specific ranks that were all satisfying to complete and achieve. These weren’t based on how much money you threw at the game. Good weapons and vehicles weren’t acquired through microtransactions but by simply knowing how to play the games and get those weapons and vehicles first or in Halo Wars 1, by knowing what you needed to build/research in order to get those specialized vehicles and committing your resources to getting it.

Now however it’s become a pay to play and sometimes pay to win system. Sure you can play without investing in new leaders, weapons, vehicles, etc but it’s a muted experience where as in the past everyone got the same experience for the same price when it came to the base game. People weren’t given game changing advantages when they spent more money, just environmental changes with regards to new maps.

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> > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
>
> Why EA? They’re cash cows!

Dice and EA actually listen to their players.

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> > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> >
> > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
>
> Dice and EA actually listen to their players.

Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.

That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.

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> > > > > > > > > Yo its twenty bucks. Have yall ever played/bought and expansion before??? Not a big deal tbh. We are getting more leaders and spearbreaker so i don’t see all the fuss. This wasn’t expected in the since that we thought the Campaign dlc would something like Atn. Maybe, appreciate the content we have recieved : /
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It isn’t the issue that $20 is or isn’t affordable. The issue is that this expansion should have been either included in the season pass or we should have been made well aware that the season pass wouldn’t contain all the content before launch because a lot of people probably would’ve just bought ATN rather than the whole season pass and saved themselves a good chunk of change.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It’s a complete failure to communicate with the playerbase properly (something 343 has an extremely frustrating habit of) and it’s shady on top of that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can afford the $15-$20 for each CoD expansion pack. Doesn’t mean I am just going to mindlessly drop money on it. I could afford all the Destiny DLC as they released, but that doesn’t nean they weren’t overpriced pieces of trash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is gaming as a hobby champ there are so many different ways for us to spend our money and when you’re shady about something or intentionally vague to the put you need to split hairs to get a point on a technicality I will very easily say screw it and put my money somewhere else that I feel is worth my time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So in retrospect i can understand activison’s bad practices. But ive been playing CA games for awile and they have a multitude of expansions. 343 has given us leaders and has been balancing the game out while they communicate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AtN could be one of many expansions, and im glad they didn’t put it in the season pass. They shouldn’t work for free. Everything they do takes skill and dedication, even if they mess up or don’t satisfy fans or consumers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Uh we paid for the season pass/ultimate edition in advance didn’t we? That’s not called working for free where I am from it’s called being paid in advance. And I also have to disagree with 343 communicating. I mean yea sure they’re finally saying something, but this thread wouldn’t have been a thing if they clearly addressed anything outside of community updates that only a few people follow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also again, I disagree on your last point too. If they do a crappy job you shouldn’t get paid, at least the full amount. You’re paid to do a job and meet/exceed expectations. You don’t do a piss poor job and then ask where your money is.
> > > > >
> > > > > You paid in advance. No ones fault. You recieved content and will continue receiving twenty extra dollars worth of content.
> > > > >
> > > > > AtN is not part of the season pass so my “working for free” statement holds. Not all se8ason passes cover a games many dlc. The shady aspect that people find worrisome is mostly people expecting what they aren’t/weren’t entitled too and not being satisfied with their current product.
> > > > >
> > > > > Atn will be a new mode and campaign with new features and two leaders. The seasonpass was paid in advance for things we expected but weren’t 100% sure would be satisfying. Do to leader reveals, what if someone didn’t like the leaders or wanted something else, jusy because they paid for it? You get what is given to you and in the end Atn wasn’t part of that.
> > > > >
> > > > > And making a mistake isn’t doing a piss poor job. Some people may enjoy the content given, some may not.
> > >
> > > How are these excuses? I acknowledged and responded to your comments that addressed what i said. My point is that people will never be satisfied and expect more than they are given.
> > >
> > > Your point is that you disagree with 343 and CA for releasing content outside of the seasonpass and not being specific about it. You misread one of my points about working for free so i reiterated. Thats not an excuse for everything but ok.
> > >
> > > Easy to disregard someone when you disagree with them, but w.e whats the point in discussing anything when it won’t change a thing.
> >
> > You need to read the rest of the thread. Between how shady the entire announcement was and changing the wording in the store after most of us bought the darn thing they’re sneaking this out. Them working for free is highly debatable and nigh on a moot point. Had they included it in the pass your entire point is out the window not to mention since CA is an outside dev they’re probably being paid on a contract by MS. The devs are getting paid either way here and working for free really isn’t that great of an excuse when tons of other developers give free content.
> >
> > Is that working for free? It’s debatable because it brings goodwill and more copies purchased which means the sales go up which equals paid. Let’s also not forget that this game has microtransactions. This game has so many avenues of revenue it’s disgusting yet you’re saying the devs work for free if they give people who already paid for the game and a season pass the DLC for no additional charge.
> >
> > On your point of satisfaction it’s called consumerism. We have the power and we have the money. These companies compete for that money and entice us to spend it. Is it really us wanting more than we’re given or is it other developers and publishers offering us more and being transparent. Maybe if 343 had been straight with me I would be willing to pay them for their work, but they hoodwinked a lot of people and you’re reasoning is “hey can’t work for free.” Which is so paperthin an argument especially for a game that sold full retail, had a seasonpass, ultimate edition, microtransactions and now a separate paid DLC.
> >
> > Anything else you said has literally been beaten to death. I don’t call 8 leaders or whatever $20-$30 of content especially when it was advertised as being more. Whatever happened to welcome to the ark? The change from expansion to missions? Saying ATN wasn’t originally planned, but releasing it within 1 year of the game’s launch and announcing it not even 4 months after the game’s launch?
> >
> > If you want to be an apologist for a company that takes your money and renegs on paid agreements you do you, but don’t say I expect too much or am entitled when I have a mound of evidence and 36 pages of discussion that I’m sitting on. That’s just ignorant.
>
> This ^ Thank you. On top of that it’s feeling more and more that we are getting less for more money. Older games you got a full single and multiplayer experience with everything in the base game being exclusively unlockable by playing the games. Everything that required either achievements to unlock or grinding was cosmetic or specific ranks that were all satisfying to complete and achieve. These weren’t based on how much money you threw at the game. Good weapons and vehicles weren’t acquired through microtransactions but by simply knowing how to play the games and get those weapons and vehicles first or in Halo Wars 1, by knowing what you needed to build/research in order to get those specialized vehicles and committing your resources to getting it.
>
> Now however it’s become a pay to play and sometimes pay to win system. Sure you can play without investing in new leaders, weapons, vehicles, etc but it’s a muted experience where as in the past everyone got the same experience for the same price when it came to the base game. People weren’t given game changing advantages when they spent more money, just environmental changes with regards to new maps.

Needs to be said again immediately

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> > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> >
> > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
>
> Dice and EA actually listen to their players.

As evidenced by the fact that all maps will be free in Battlefront 2, not to mention the addition of Premium Friends for BF1.

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> > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > >
> > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> >
> > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
>
> Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
>
> That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.

Partially. Most of us wanted OG game modes back. Playlists that at least didn’t have sprint if not the complete removal of it, and a good ranked and social system. They only partially listened some things and outright ignored others as they removed a ton of gamemodes added warzone, gutted BTB, kept sprint and threw even more gimmicks onto it, made absolutely everything ranked and added microtransactions whike completely boning armor customization.

They aren’t very good listeners from my experience.

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> > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > >
> > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> >
> > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
>
> Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
>
> That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.

Well, there’s the whole Warzone score issue, where people have been asking for points to be awarded based on damage dealt, instead of whoever gets the last shot, since Halo 5 came out.

And then 343 abandoning the MCC.

Then there’s the fact that people have been asking for the ability to choose their color in skirmish matches, and for skulls to only effect human players. Those both have been completely ignored so far.

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> > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > >
> > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> >
> > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
>
> Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
>
> That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.

Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.

We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.

We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.

They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.

We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).

We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.

We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.

We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.

They also released Halo 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.

Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.

The list goes on and on.

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> > > Seriously we have to pay more on top of the season pass? I feel robbed!
> >
> > I feel you’re a bit late to the party…
>
> What?? How is that helpful?

It’s not

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> > > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > > >
> > > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> > >
> > > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
> >
> > Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
> >
> > That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.
>
> Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.
>
> We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.
>
> We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.
>
> They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.
>
> We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).
>
> We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.
>
> We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.
>
> We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.
>
> They also released Happy 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.
>
> Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.
>
> The list goes on and on.

Great… No I’m fired up again…

I came back here to mention something and after reading this all I can think about is how trashy halo 5 looks, in particular the new Spartans… The cutscene with Spartan/Agent Lockes team sliding down the mountain killing everything in their path killed halo FPS for me (that and the horrendous looking multiplayer). I didn’t even buy Halo 5 based off that because I grew up with the classic Master Chief, not this “everybody gets to be a Spartan” doing backflips and whatever those pretty boys might do.

I’m not gonna rant too much more aimlessly. Bottom line is that I don’t agree with some of the things 343 has done to the halo franchise. I’m glad they took up HW2. But not to beat the beaten-kicked-skinned-roundhoused horse we’ve all talked about thus far, I hope they make things right. A start would to be more so honest in the marketing and communicate better here on the forums. A discount for UE/SP would be nice… But not expected.

Why am I up so late?

Ps. I hope the flood kills the Spartan VIs

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> > > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > > >
> > > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> > >
> > > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
> >
> > Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
> >
> > That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.
>
> Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.
>
> We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.
>
> We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.
>
> They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.
>
> We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).
>
> We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.
>
> We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.
>
> We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.
>
> They also released Happy 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.
>
> Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.
>
> The list goes on and on.

This list has been a thorn in my side since 343 took over. They are killing Halo. It is evident by even press coverage or people not caring so much it wasn’t at E3.

This constant ignoring stakeholders, changing of art/lore/game play couped with shameless cash grab is getting to me. I believe this is why I got so fired up so fast over ATN not being in the season pass. Normally it wouldn’t get to me so fast.

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> > > > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> > > >
> > > > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
> > >
> > > Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
> > >
> > > That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.
> >
> > Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.
> >
> > We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.
> >
> > We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.
> >
> > They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.
> >
> > We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).
> >
> > We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.
> >
> > We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.
> >
> > We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.
> >
> > They also released Happy 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.
> >
> > Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.
> >
> > The list goes on and on.
>
> This list has been a thorn in my side since 343 took over. They are killing Halo. It is evident by even press coverage or people not caring so much it wasn’t at E3.
>
> This constant ignoring stakeholders, changing of art/lore/game play couped with shameless cash grab is getting to me. I believe this is why I got so fired up so fast over ATN not being in the season pass. Normally it wouldn’t get to me so fast.

It’s been boiled over for me. As soon as I saw the news that ATN wasn’t in the season pass I was pissed yea, but at the same time I was just like “why am I not surprised at all by 343 doing this?”

Halo has just plummeted from my favorite series ever since 343 took over. I wish they’d left it after Reach and let 343 do their own stupid sci-fi game because they want to throw every new popular thing. I’m waiting for Halo 6 to have static heroes that you select with different abilities and cutomizable classes and everyone has sprint and wrist rockets with paid DLC as well as microtransactions since they did it here and if it works here it will be used elsewhere.

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> > > > > > > I will not be buying into Halo 6 because of this. 343 has lost my respect and it is rightly so. Cue the 343 apologists. There is a season pass and they are completely ignoring it as a blatant grab for cash. Halo 6 will be no different. I guess ill throw my money at EA and Star Wars.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why EA? They’re cash cows!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dice and EA actually listen to their players.
> > > >
> > > > Feel like EA might be trying to turn a new leaf (I’m not 100% convinced though). Titanfall and Battlefront 2 have free DLC.
> > > >
> > > > That said when has 343 ignored their players (outside of this situation)? I thought all of the changes to Halo 5 were based on player feedback.
> > >
> > > Well let’s see. A lot of people who use to be on Waypoint (I can only assume there aren’t nearly as many people left from the days before Halo 4 still posting now) kept up with the news coming out about Halo 4 before it was released and we kept warning 343 Industries that a lot of the things they carried over from Reach were actually why a lot of fans left Reach in the first place. We warned against armor abilities and instead suggested the continuation of the “equipment” from Halo 3 and yes there are a lot of people who didn’t like equipment but the thing with that is, equipment was balanced in that you had to pick it up just like a weapon or overshield or active camouflage. 343 Industries of course completely ignored these cries and kept saying “trust us”.
> > >
> > > We pointed out how the removal of dual wielding weapons didn’t make sense when considering canon. Specifically, the Mark V Mjolnir armor only had targeting software to allow for only using one weapon at a time at least when it came to creating and displaying HUD information. The Mark VI however had additional hardware and software in the gauntlets that allowed for the independent displaying of targeting information for two weapons, one held in each hand which is why going from Halo Combat Evolved to Halo 2 and 3 you could now hold two submachine guns or any number of combinations of weapons. When Reach came out it was stated that you were once again using Mark V armor, hence the health packs and the inability for a Spartan to dual wield. Some Elites would dual wield against you in the campaign but for balancing of multiplayer Elites were not allowed to dual wield in multiplayer. 343 Industries decided to completely ignore John having the ability to dual wield in Halo 4.
> > >
> > > We warned 343 Industries that John’s sudden armor change made no sense whatsoever and they came out with a statement after the game was released about it being “nano bots” despite the fact that John’s armor still has the chest plate damage from Halo 3 right from the start of Halo 4 in the same place. Also nano bots have never been mentioned or utilized again since this attempt to cover their own mistakes.
> > >
> > > They also ignored the fact that the weapons and vehicles on the Dawn would have been the same as the ones from Halo 3 but those magically change as does the entire design and ship classification of the frigate Forward Unto Dawn. We warned them about that as well.
> > >
> > > We told them not to have supply drops or kill cams in multiplayer but they insisted on keeping those. (Kill cams negate a staple of Halo and that is the post kill -Yoink!-. How are people supposed to see you -Yoink!- them if they are watching a replay of how you killed them?).
> > >
> > > We told them their art style looked more like power rangers and was just generally bad. Heck one of the H4 Spartan helmets looks like they have a full sized VCR attached to their face, I mean wtf? They kept the poor art style into H5.
> > >
> > > We gave them in depth criticism of the lighting system in Halo 4. The lighting in Halo 4 often results in Spartans “glowing” in rooms with no light source, energy swords, literally swords practically made of light not illuminating the area around them. Light bridges also suffer from this issue of having no illuminating affect on surrounding objects.
> > >
> > > We begged them for campaign theater mode and they claimed it “wouldn’t work”. Certain YouTubers even made videos to SHOW 343 Industries how to make campaign theater mode work and they ignored that too. Theater mode is huge for me. It’s how people make Machinimas, how we look at awesome game moments from any angle, we use to be able to render our films and watch them on Bungie.net, use to be able to save a 1000 films per map on Reach and 343 just continues to neglect that feature. Hell we even use to be able to watch films with up to 3 friends over Xbox live but that feature still hasn’t been restored.
> > >
> > > They also released Happy 5 Guardians with the barest minimum of gametypes and maps. Even Halo Combat Evolved had more content at launch back in 2001! People are still asking for developer made Halo 5 big team battle maps and not just forged ones but they ignore that.
> > >
> > > Bonnie Ross promised Halo The Master Chief Collection would be fixed to 100% back in December of 2014. Here we are now in 2017 and we’re still asking and waiting for them to fix things in the MCC.
> > >
> > > The list goes on and on.
> >
> > This list has been a thorn in my side since 343 took over. They are killing Halo. It is evident by even press coverage or people not caring so much it wasn’t at E3.
> >
> > This constant ignoring stakeholders, changing of art/lore/game play couped with shameless cash grab is getting to me. I believe this is why I got so fired up so fast over ATN not being in the season pass. Normally it wouldn’t get to me so fast.
>
> It’s been boiled over for me. As soon as I saw the news that ATN wasn’t in the season pass I was pissed yea, but at the same time I was just like “why am I not surprised at all by 343 doing this?”
>
> Halo has just plummeted from my favorite series ever since 343 took over. I wish they’d left it after Reach and let 343 do their own stupid sci-fi game because they want to throw every new popular thing. I’m waiting for Halo 6 to have static heroes that you select with different abilities and cutomizable classes and everyone has sprint and wrist rockets with paid DLC as well as microtransactions since they did it here and if it works here it will be used elsewhere.

When I heard about ATN not being part of what was covered by the “Season pass” I actually burst out laughing and clapped in applause for 343 Industries finding a new way to grab more money from fans. Not because I want fans to get ripped off, no, but because I was legitimately impressed at how they found a new way to defraud the community and make EA look that much better and EA is one of the worst companies out there when it comes to ethical business practices.

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Lucky for some of us, all we want to see are the A+ cinematics and get more development on the Banished. The flood making their first reappearance after almost 10 years in an RTS game is a shame.

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> Lucky for some of us, all we want to see are the A+ cinematics and get more development on the Banished. The flood making their first reappearance after almost 10 years in an RTS game is a shame.

This is true and thanks to YouTube we can watch the full HD cutscenes/story without even having to give 343 more money for what should be included in a season pass that was originally sold to people under the understanding that it would cover future expansions before they changed the wording.

Sneaky sneaky