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> > > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> > 1. I have not gotten regular updates, nor has anyone who has purchased this game. “Regular updating” is not every other month or so, and it certainly isn’t missing multiple target dates, nor is it specifying that bugs were fixed when, in actuality, they were not. Nor did I receive everything in the season pass description I purchased (addressed later).
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> > 2.) Exactly, it is shady; however, the original Ultimate Edition/Season Pass did in fact list an expansion rather than the campaign missions. To say the missions “expand” the game is complete crap considering 343i’s own wording and admission that Spearbreaker are “campaign missions”, while ATN is an “expansion”. There is a precedent set for what a DLC with some extra content and what an expansion is over the many years. So we’ve got 1.) Change in description and wording, 2.) 343i’s own wording on what they consider an expansion, 3.) Precedent set by every other studio throughout the years.
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> > 3.) If we go by this description (which is the newer one they changed it to btw) we still purchased more than six months of regular updating including leaders, units, blitz cards and missions. 343i has since reneged on this as well (yet still hasn’t changed it) in their latest community update stating that the season pass owners will only be receiving support for six months, rather than more than six months.
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> > 4. Yes I received the unbalanced new leaders at irregular intervals and multiple missed target dates. I have gotten updates, but not the regular updating I was offered when I purchased the Ultimate Edition. I have received two or so new units exclusive to each leader which makes them feel cheap. Yup, you’re correct.
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> > 5. I ordered a burger (base game) with cheese (HW: DE), condiments (regular updating), pickles (leaders), onions (units) and I made it a double burger (expansion pack). Unfortunately what I received instead was a rotten burger (unplayable release, with multiple bugs, crap servers, poor balance, etc.), cheese (thank god), they forgot the condiments, my pickles went bad (unbalanced leaders, multiple missed dates), they gave me a few dices of onions instead of a slice (whatever, it wasn’t specified), and only a piece of bacon instead of my extra patty (bacon is nice, but not what I ordered).
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> 1. Funny, I’ve been receiving regular updates and you haven’t. It’s almost like… It’s subjective. As if I’m simply more patient than you and define regular updates differently than you… Wow. That is weird huh…
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> 2. Show me literally anywhere where 343 has stated that the spearbreaker campaigns are not the expansion that was listed in the season pass and you will have a point, until then you are again, demanding something you have no claim to.
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> 3. They never said they would stop patching the game and updating it with balances after six months. Just like they never said you’d be getting new units and leaders every month for more than six months, again, regular support.
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> 4. Thank you for agreeing, wonderful.
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> 5. I have never played a video game that worked perfectly on release, so maybe that was just your unrealistic expectations, or I’m just a cynic, I’m willing to accept that possibility. As for the rest, I point to the above argument that not being satisfied with the product is not the same as not receiving it. You got the burger, you were just dissatisfied, well, as said above, fine. Complain. But again, you ordered the burger, not the burger and the milkshake. You are getting what was promised, just because you want more does not make it so. Now again, you can send the burger back, demand they make it right (Patching is a serious issue, they need to do a better job of patching this game, I agree), but you may not demand they make it right and bring you a free dessert.
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> Being dissatisfied with your purchase, and not receiving a purchase, are very very different things sir.
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> If I pay you to build a house for me, and the doorways are uneven, the roof is leaky, the foundation shaky, and the insulation crap, you still built the house. I’ll be pissed for sure, and I’ll demand you build a better house, but I can’t sit there and demand to know where the shed is, if the shed was never part of the initial agreement. If you want to be pissed off about the quality of the game, fine, do so. But when you then decide you’re entitled to something you’re simply not, that is where you’re being petulant.
1.) Funny, by the very definition of regular updating you’re wrong considering regular quite literally means: arranged in or constituting a constant or definite pattern, especially with the same space between individual instances, as well as to happen frequently. It’s almost like it’s an objective fact and you’re simply being condescending and disagreeing for the sake of it. Weird, huh? (See? I can be condescending too!)
2.) Let’s see, because I actually have multiple instances that substantiate my claim while you’ve got zero: 1.) They changed the season pass description specifically from an expansion to campaign missions in order to describe the change from an expansion to Operation Spearbreaker, and any multitude of links, here’s a two for instance: 1., 23.) Again, I suggest you read the description that you, yourself, posted. Those updates are detailed to include leaders, units, missions at regular intervals. This has since been reneged on in their latest update, but I’m sure you’re aware since at this point it would seem you’re arguing for the sake of it.
Edit for 3: Yup they said they wouldn’t be providing updates in the form of leaders, units, blitz cards, missions as detailed in the season pass.
4.) Yup we’re in agreement that I’ve received some of the content in the form of unbalanced leaders at irregular intervals. Great.
- That’s cute, yet there’s a vast majority of games that actually function at launch and do not disconnect users at a higher than 50% rate, do not have multiple game breaking issues.
You’re correct on this front as well, and the fact of the matter is that I am both dissatisfied and have not received what I purchased.
And yet you could still file complaints, sue the contractor and if they did not deliver on the agreement (in 343i’s case they have not), then you’d have yourself a pretty good case. In all seriousness though, if you’ve got nothing to back up your talk and you’re only looking to flame forum members or act condescending then I suggest you not even bother with a reply, because I surely won’t.
… 100+ for full game also blitz packs. Lame.