ATN Not In Season Pass?

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> Hey umm not to get trolled on or anything but I have to agree that this should be included in the Season for the simple fact that it states
> “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story”. So in my opinion thats false advertising. Now don’t get me wrong I now it probably cost a little bit to make it and so forth , but then they shouldn’t have stated it. At least most season passes that do this state a specifics (you know for the first 2 dlc’ s like destiny or the first years worth of dlc) Hell I’ll be happy if the just give me the first campaign dlc for free and then just do the leaders afterwards, they would be abiding by their advertisement techanlly.

The exclusive campaign missions are Operation: Spearbreaker, thiss is a two mission story, which just sounds stupid imo but hey ho thats them ‘obeying’ there agreement. I dont agree with what they are doing but becayse there description is on purpose vague, they are abiding by what they said but it is gross malprwctice by a company to be deliberately shady.

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> > Hey umm not to get trolled on or anything but I have to agree that this should be included in the Season for the simple fact that it states
> > “Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story”. So in my opinion thats false advertising. Now don’t get me wrong I now it probably cost a little bit to make it and so forth , but then they shouldn’t have stated it. At least most season passes that do this state a specifics (you know for the first 2 dlc’ s like destiny or the first years worth of dlc) Hell I’ll be happy if the just give me the first campaign dlc for free and then just do the leaders afterwards, they would be abiding by their advertisement techanlly.
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> The exclusive campaign missions are Operation: Spearbreaker, thiss is a two mission story, which just sounds stupid imo but hey ho thats them ‘obeying’ there agreement. I dont agree with what they are doing but becayse there description is on purpose vague, they are abiding by what they said but it is gross malprwctice by a company to be deliberately shady.

well, it actually used to say expansion, but they changed it to missions to make it so they could charge for ATN and still sneak away with spear breaker being to only true campaign add on.

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> > > > > preaches about shadiness, goes to McDonald’s
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> > > > I’m actually legitimately curious was this comment directed at me? Regardless, I’m also curious about what shady stuff McDonald’s does (I actually want to know, those stories are usually entertaining) but you can send that in a PM as it doesn’t have much relevance here. As for my eating habits, I can’t remember the last time I went to McDonald’s or fast food in general. I’m at University now and actually cook most things myself, it’s fun trying new recipes.
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> > > > Again that was off topic, back on topic though I don’t find issue with pointing out a company’s unethical or bad business practices and 343 Industries are not exempt from this especially now days when, should they decide to read these forums, we can tell them exactly how we think or feel regarding their decisions. This forum is essentially a place they can gather massive amounts of valuable data to help guide their future business decisions. A lot of companies still have to rely on little incentives on a receipt in order to entice customers to give them feedback. 343 Industries gets all the feedback they could ever want from these forums.
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> > > Isn’t official forums a way to let their stake holders be heard? Surely this thread has been noticed by now. 343 is now more shady than ONI. Black box would do this… He is in charge isnt he… :scream:
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> > Just because they haven’t replied on the thread doesn’t mean they’re ignoring it. We’ll see what the future holds.
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> You see? That’s a problem I have with a lot of the fan base. The fan base keeps saying “Give it time” or “We’ll see” or “Give them another chance, they’re new at this”. I’ve been hearing that from community members since they released Halo CEA without true classic multiplayer, been hearing it since we saw the first footage of Halo 4 when things didn’t look quite right, heard it when they announced there were no plans for a Halo 4 beta, I heard it repeatedly as Halo 4’s population tanked less than 6 months after launch, I heard it from Bonnie Ross herself when she promised 343 Industries wouldn’t stop until The Master Chief Collection is to 100% in 2014 (still isn’t 100% btw), I heard it when Halo 5 released with a horrendous campaign and absolute bare bones multiplayer and I’m hearing it now when they pull the bait and switch with the Halo Wars 2 season pass.
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> I’m tired of waiting and giving second, third, fourth and fifth chances. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo 4 and got it for free from work, I’m glad I didn’t even bother with Halo 5. I’m glad I didn’t buy Halo Wars 2 or the rip off of a season pass. I’m just tired of 343 constantly messing everything up and still having people defend them. I’m just tired man.

This sentiment is beginning to grow popular ground by many. Halo wasn’t even at E3 and they overall reaction was “No Halo?, Weird shrug”

If they skipped Halo back in the glory days of the covenant wars there would have been riots.

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So basically the argument is free stuff? They’re obeying the agreement, offering missions that expand the campaign with the season pass (Look at the wording, it doesn’t say expansion it says expand. One solitary mission expands the campaign, not false advertising, just you demanding you’re owed something). Look at it this way, six dollars a commander, that’s fourty two dollars. Add on the two spearbreaker missions, I’ll say another six dollars a piece, that’s fifty six bucks, already a fairly decent pay off for your investment, almost getting twice what you paid for with the season pass.

Now, we’ll look at the ATN. Two new leaders, another twelve bucks. An entire new game mode, I’ll say… Ten bucks. And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign, and two new maps. So, all together, I’d say another fifty-sixty bucks.

Fine. That’s a bit expensive. And due to the wording of the season pass, I would say that the two ATN leaders should go to season pass holders, I find it’s warranted. But you’re basically demanding $120 worth of content (rounded up yes but still), for thirty bucks. This right here is why Season Passes are becoming less and less meaningful, because they’re cost inefficient. There is no incentive for 343 to continue providing that content if they have to give it away for free, if you want a company to continue developing and building a game, you have to be willing to fund it, or else it’s not going to happen. You’re almost as bad as the people who think all the commanders should be free.

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> And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,

it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.

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> it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.

So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.

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> > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> So again, just you want more for free?

Nah, just what we paid for. Spearbreaker isn’t described as the expansion the season pass had described, while ATN is described as such an expansion. Not to mention I’d also like my more than six months of regular updates including leaders, units and my campaign expansion that I was described when I made my informed purchase.

So I’m not getting my regular updates since the last was two months ago and they’ve been doing extremely poorly at patching (community is dead now), I’m not getting my leaders or units for more than six months (they said they’re stopping season pass support at the six month mark), I’m not getting the expansion I purchased (they changed the description which is shady at best).

What I did get is poor support, a broken launch, some of what I paid extra for in the form of more broken content, more lies and more crap from a developer that I already took enough from with the MCC and Halo 5. If the Halo universe wasn’t one of my favorites I wouldn’t even bother with their forums, but I surely won’t be supporting them after losing my trust so many times by giving them my money in the future-- I’ll get it second hand so they don’t get a dime if need be.

In the end with their trying to sneak another $20 by ripping people off, they won’t be getting my extra $20, they won’t be getting my $60 for the next game or any game afterwards, they won’t be my money for DLC for the next game or afterwards and they likely won’t sell as well as they could have from many others because of the way they’ve chosen to do business.

Edit: I was a little peeved before about it, but I said no big deal. It’s become a big deal to me though because of forum members such as yourself and the latest community update from Grim.

Edit #2: Just realized that I was post #666 and my name’s DemonzBlade, kinda funny.

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> > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.

Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.

Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”

If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.

Edit; Oh God, I sound like Handsome Jack. I feel like I shouldn’t be as vehemently angry at these kinds of people, but if weren’t such di-
I should probably stop.

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> > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
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> Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
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> If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.

Haha… so great! I love the burger example. Perhaps this is at a level where they can understand the very core of the whole forum post. GGs

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> > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
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> > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
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> > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
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> Haha… so great! I love the burger example. Perhaps this is at a level where they can understand the very core of the whole forum post. GGs

Doubt it, I think this is my second post, or the second post I’ve seen with the burger example in response to comments like that. One can hope, though

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> > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> > > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
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> > > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
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> > > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
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> > Haha… so great! I love the burger example. Perhaps this is at a level where they can understand the very core of the whole forum post. GGs
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> Doubt it, I think this is my second post, or the second post I’ve seen with the burger example in response to comments like that. One can hope, though

I used the burger example myself towards the beginning somewhere, people didn’t seem to understand it though.

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> > > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> > > > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
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> > > > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
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> > > > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
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> > > Haha… so great! I love the burger example. Perhaps this is at a level where they can understand the very core of the whole forum post. GGs
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> > Doubt it, I think this is my second post, or the second post I’ve seen with the burger example in response to comments like that. One can hope, though
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> I used the burger example myself towards the beginning somewhere, people didn’t seem to understand it though.

I knew I read it somewhere.

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> > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
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> Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
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> If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
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> Edit; Oh God, I sound like Handsome Jack. I feel like I shouldn’t be as vehemently angry at these kinds of people, but if weren’t such di-
> I should probably stop.

Well a more apt example would be paying for a burger, than wondering where the fries are. You’re getting the burger. You’re getting regular updates, just because you don’t like the updates doesn’t mean they don’t exist, buyer’s remorse exists because you bought something, it doesn’t invalidate the product, just means you regret having bought it, not that you never received it, the two are vastly different. You got your five dollars worth of food, and you got what was promised. You just feel like you should get fries and a drink as well. That is my complaint as far as the ATN goes, it was not listed that you would get an entire expansion, but that you would get missions that expand on the campaign, and the wording there is very specific. The Spearbreaker missions do expand on the campaign.

You think the updates are garbage? Right there with you. The balance definitely needs work, they need to be better at providing support and patching, and there’s plenty of room for improvement. But the difference here is that I’m willing to be fair in this. I’m willing to acknowledge that I’ve received what I paid for.

Now, the argument can be made that the change in the description was made to milk money, but just as it was stated that the Spearbreaker wasn’t listed as the expansion in the season pass, neither was it stated that the expansion was anything else, so again, you’re not being lied to, so much as 343 isn’t communicating worth a crap. and it is shady, I have no disagreement.

But, that being said, at least be honest with this. The burger analogy implies that the quality of what you’re getting is somehow a distinctive factor in whether or not you get it. If I buy a book, and it’s not a good book, I still bought the book. If I buy a cheeseburger, and it’s burned or rotten, I still bought a cheeseburger. I still received what I bought. Now, I can complain, and see about getting a new one that’s good. Likewise, when it comes to video games, we can complain and hope that the bugs and imbalances are fixed. But just because you’re not happy with the burger you got does not entitle you to a free milkshake. I’m not saying stop complaining, please, complain, let them know what needs to be fixed. I’m saying stop demanding what you have no claim to. Just because you did not like the burger does not mean you get a brand new burger, and a milkshake for free. If you do, it’s usually because some generous worker or horrified manager has decided to comp it for you, not because you deserve it.

So, just to recap since everyone feels like just being petulant today.

Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.

New leaders. You’ve gotten and or are getting them, are they flawless, no, but that can be fixed with patches, and unlike the burger, they don’t simply get tossed in the trash, you still have them. You have gotten updates. You have gotten new units, new blitz cards, and you will be receiving two new missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.

You got your burger. The burger has not been taken away from you, they didn’t take out the lettuce, they just gave you a burger you didn’t like. So you complain until they fix your burger, you don’t demand a new burger and a free milkshake.

But, just to make it all fit into the analogy a bit better, you paid five dollars for a ten dollar meal and are now demanding the meal be remade and an extra burger be added on. Your analogy was fallacious from the get go, and you’re being intellectually dishonest. Because you’re still demanding they fix the burger. You’re not throwing it out, you’re not tossing it in the trash and saying give me the milkshake instead, you’re saying give me a proper burger and fix the milkshake. You didn’t pay five dollars for five dollars worth of burger, you paid thirty dollars for roughly sixty dollars of product, and are demanding an extra twenty dollars of product. If you’re going to argue this, do so honestly, because I’ve seen approximately zero people from your side of the camp do so up until now.

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> > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
> > > >
> > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
> > >
> > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
> >
> > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
> >
> > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
> >
> > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
> >
> > Edit; Oh God, I sound like Handsome Jack. I feel like I shouldn’t be as vehemently angry at these kinds of people, but if weren’t such di-
> > I should probably stop.
>
> Well a more apt example would be paying for a burger, than wondering where the fries are. You’re getting the burger. You’re getting regular updates, just because you don’t like the updates doesn’t mean they don’t exist, buyer’s remorse exists because you bought something, it doesn’t invalidate the product, just means you regret having bought it, not that you never received it, the two are vastly different. You got your five dollars worth of food, and you got what was promised. You just feel like you should get fries and a drink as well. That is my complaint as far as the ATN goes, it was not listed that you would get an entire expansion, but that you would get missions that expand on the campaign, and the wording there is very specific. The Spearbreaker missions do expand on the campaign.
>
> You think the updates are garbage? Right there with you. The balance definitely needs work, they need to be better at providing support and patching, and there’s plenty of room for improvement. But the difference here is that I’m willing to be fair in this. I’m willing to acknowledge that I’ve received what I paid for.
>
> Now, the argument can be made that the change in the description was made to milk money, but just as it was stated that the Spearbreaker wasn’t listed as the expansion in the season pass, neither was it stated that the expansion was anything else, so again, you’re not being lied to, so much as 343 isn’t communicating worth a crap. and it is shady, I have no disagreement.
>
> But, that being said, at least be honest with this. The burger analogy implies that the quality of what you’re getting is somehow a distinctive factor in whether or not you get it. If I buy a book, and it’s not a good book, I still bought the book. If I buy a cheeseburger, and it’s burned or rotten, I still bought a cheeseburger. I still received what I bought. Now, I can complain, and see about getting a new one that’s good. Likewise, when it comes to video games, we can complain and hope that the bugs and imbalances are fixed. But just because you’re not happy with the burger you got does not entitle you to a free milkshake. I’m not saying stop complaining, please, complain, let them know what needs to be fixed. I’m saying stop demanding what you have no claim to. Just because you did not like the burger does not mean you get a brand new burger, and a milkshake for free. If you do, it’s usually because some generous worker or horrified manager has decided to comp it for you, not because you deserve it.
>
> So, just to recap since everyone feels like just being petulant today.
>
> Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
>
> New leaders. You’ve gotten and or are getting them, are they flawless, no, but that can be fixed with patches, and unlike the burger, they don’t simply get tossed in the trash, you still have them. You have gotten updates. You have gotten new units, new blitz cards, and you will be receiving two new missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
>
> You got your burger. The burger has not been taken away from you, they didn’t take out the lettuce, they just gave you a burger you didn’t like. So you complain until they fix your burger, you don’t demand a new burger and a free milkshake.
>
> But, just to make it all fit into the analogy a bit better, you paid five dollars for a ten dollar meal and are now demanding the meal be remade and an extra burger be added on. Your analogy was fallacious from the get go, and you’re being intellectually dishonest. Because you’re still demanding they fix the burger. You’re not throwing it out, you’re not tossing it in the trash and saying give me the milkshake instead, you’re saying give me a proper burger and fix the milkshake. You didn’t pay five dollars for five dollars worth of burger, you paid thirty dollars for roughly sixty dollars of product, and are demanding an extra twenty dollars of product. If you’re going to argue this, do so honestly, because I’ve seen approximately zero people from your side of the camp do so up until now.
>
> Edited for typos and whatnot.

I can understand that you didn’t read all the posts since this is so big. As you said, the pass says “missions” when I bought the season pass it said expansion. I never went back and read the description after purchase. Once ATN came out, I found out they changed expansion to missions and that I need to pay for the expansion.

Naturally, I call foul.

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> > > > >
> > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
> > > >
> > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
> > >
> > > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
> > >
> > > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
> > >
> > > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
> >
> > Well a more apt example would be paying for a burger, than wondering where the fries are. You’re getting the burger. You’re getting regular updates, just because you don’t like the updates doesn’t mean they don’t exist, buyer’s remorse exists because you bought something, it doesn’t invalidate the product, just means you regret having bought it, not that you never received it, the two are vastly different. You got your five dollars worth of food, and you got what was promised. You just feel like you should get fries and a drink as well. That is my complaint as far as the ATN goes, it was not listed that you would get an entire expansion, but that you would get missions that expand on the campaign, and the wording there is very specific. The Spearbreaker missions do expand on the campaign.
> >
> > You think the updates are garbage? Right there with you. The balance definitely needs work, they need to be better at providing support and patching, and there’s plenty of room for improvement. But the difference here is that I’m willing to be fair in this. I’m willing to acknowledge that I’ve received what I paid for.
> >
> > Now, the argument can be made that the change in the description was made to milk money, but just as it was stated that the Spearbreaker wasn’t listed as the expansion in the season pass, neither was it stated that the expansion was anything else, so again, you’re not being lied to, so much as 343 isn’t communicating worth a crap. and it is shady, I have no disagreement.
> >
> > But, that being said, at least be honest with this. The burger analogy implies that the quality of what you’re getting is somehow a distinctive factor in whether or not you get it. If I buy a book, and it’s not a good book, I still bought the book. If I buy a cheeseburger, and it’s burned or rotten, I still bought a cheeseburger. I still received what I bought. Now, I can complain, and see about getting a new one that’s good. Likewise, when it comes to video games, we can complain and hope that the bugs and imbalances are fixed. But just because you’re not happy with the burger you got does not entitle you to a free milkshake. I’m not saying stop complaining, please, complain, let them know what needs to be fixed. I’m saying stop demanding what you have no claim to. Just because you did not like the burger does not mean you get a brand new burger, and a milkshake for free. If you do, it’s usually because some generous worker or horrified manager has decided to comp it for you, not because you deserve it.
> >
> > So, just to recap since everyone feels like just being petulant today.
> >
> > Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
> >
> > New leaders. You’ve gotten and or are getting them, are they flawless, no, but that can be fixed with patches, and unlike the burger, they don’t simply get tossed in the trash, you still have them. You have gotten updates. You have gotten new units, new blitz cards, and you will be receiving two new missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
> >
> > You got your burger. The burger has not been taken away from you, they didn’t take out the lettuce, they just gave you a burger you didn’t like. So you complain until they fix your burger, you don’t demand a new burger and a free milkshake.
> >
> > But, just to make it all fit into the analogy a bit better, you paid five dollars for a ten dollar meal and are now demanding the meal be remade and an extra burger be added on. Your analogy was fallacious from the get go, and you’re being intellectually dishonest. Because you’re still demanding they fix the burger. You’re not throwing it out, you’re not tossing it in the trash and saying give me the milkshake instead, you’re saying give me a proper burger and fix the milkshake. You didn’t pay five dollars for five dollars worth of burger, you paid thirty dollars for roughly sixty dollars of product, and are demanding an extra twenty dollars of product. If you’re going to argue this, do so honestly, because I’ve seen approximately zero people from your side of the camp do so up until now.
> >
> > Edited for typos and whatnot.
>
> I can understand that you didn’t read all the posts since this is so big. As you said, the pass says “missions” when I bought the season pass it said expansion. I never went back and read the description after purchase. Once ATN came out, I found out they changed expansion to missions and that I need to pay for the expansion.
>
> Naturally, I call foul.

Fair enough, but technically speaking any mission is an expansion. That’s my point. You’re not being denied anything that was promised, even in the original writing, you’re just not getting what you want, and there’s a difference. But as I’ve previously stated, the rephrasing is shady, and I have no interest in defending it, 343 should have sent out an alert that the language had changed.

Incidentally, am I the only one who keeps an eye on what they preorder to make sure nothing changes? Like, everyone but me seemed caught by surprise here…

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> > > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
> > > > >
> > > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
> > > >
> > > > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
> > >
> > > Well a more apt example would be paying for a burger, than wondering where the fries are. You’re getting the burger. You’re getting regular updates, just because you don’t like the updates doesn’t mean they don’t exist, buyer’s remorse exists because you bought something, it doesn’t invalidate the product, just means you regret having bought it, not that you never received it, the two are vastly different. You got your five dollars worth of food, and you got what was promised. You just feel like you should get fries and a drink as well. That is my complaint as far as the ATN goes, it was not listed that you would get an entire expansion, but that you would get missions that expand on the campaign, and the wording there is very specific. The Spearbreaker missions do expand on the campaign.
> > >
> > > You think the updates are garbage? Right there with you. The balance definitely needs work, they need to be better at providing support and patching, and there’s plenty of room for improvement. But the difference here is that I’m willing to be fair in this. I’m willing to acknowledge that I’ve received what I paid for.
> > >
> > > Now, the argument can be made that the change in the description was made to milk money, but just as it was stated that the Spearbreaker wasn’t listed as the expansion in the season pass, neither was it stated that the expansion was anything else, so again, you’re not being lied to, so much as 343 isn’t communicating worth a crap. and it is shady, I have no disagreement.
> > >
> > > But, that being said, at least be honest with this. The burger analogy implies that the quality of what you’re getting is somehow a distinctive factor in whether or not you get it. If I buy a book, and it’s not a good book, I still bought the book. If I buy a cheeseburger, and it’s burned or rotten, I still bought a cheeseburger. I still received what I bought. Now, I can complain, and see about getting a new one that’s good. Likewise, when it comes to video games, we can complain and hope that the bugs and imbalances are fixed. But just because you’re not happy with the burger you got does not entitle you to a free milkshake. I’m not saying stop complaining, please, complain, let them know what needs to be fixed. I’m saying stop demanding what you have no claim to. Just because you did not like the burger does not mean you get a brand new burger, and a milkshake for free. If you do, it’s usually because some generous worker or horrified manager has decided to comp it for you, not because you deserve it.
> > >
> > > So, just to recap since everyone feels like just being petulant today.
> > >
> > > Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
> > >
> > > New leaders. You’ve gotten and or are getting them, are they flawless, no, but that can be fixed with patches, and unlike the burger, they don’t simply get tossed in the trash, you still have them. You have gotten updates. You have gotten new units, new blitz cards, and you will be receiving two new missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
> > >
> > > You got your burger. The burger has not been taken away from you, they didn’t take out the lettuce, they just gave you a burger you didn’t like. So you complain until they fix your burger, you don’t demand a new burger and a free milkshake.
> > >
> > > But, just to make it all fit into the analogy a bit better, you paid five dollars for a ten dollar meal and are now demanding the meal be remade and an extra burger be added on. Your analogy was fallacious from the get go, and you’re being intellectually dishonest. Because you’re still demanding they fix the burger. You’re not throwing it out, you’re not tossing it in the trash and saying give me the milkshake instead, you’re saying give me a proper burger and fix the milkshake. You didn’t pay five dollars for five dollars worth of burger, you paid thirty dollars for roughly sixty dollars of product, and are demanding an extra twenty dollars of product. If you’re going to argue this, do so honestly, because I’ve seen approximately zero people from your side of the camp do so up until now.
> > >
> > > Edited for typos and whatnot.
> >
> > I can understand that you didn’t read all the posts since this is so big. As you said, the pass says “missions” when I bought the season pass it said expansion. I never went back and read the description after purchase. Once ATN came out, I found out they changed expansion to missions and that I need to pay for the expansion.
> >
> > Naturally, I call foul.
>
> Fair enough, but technically speaking any mission is an expansion. That’s my point. You’re not being denied anything that was promised, even in the original writing, you’re just not getting what you want, and there’s a difference. But as I’ve previously stated, the rephrasing is shady, and I have no interest in defending it, 343 should have sent out an alert that the language had changed.
>
> Incidentally, am I the only one who keeps an eye on what they preorder to make sure nothing changes? Like, everyone but me seemed caught by surprise here…

I shouldn’t have to and it’s a shady practice. Not very becoming of a company to treat fans as such.

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> > > >
> > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.

This is a much better argument then the original one. My post would be the the second? or third? one I’ve done (and I think the umpteenth one in general) about how people saying we’re just entitled brats that don’t deserve more content from 343. Your reply is also the only one (I can currently think of) that even attempts to defend himself. Which means you’re probably just as sick of hearing people complain about the game and dlc as I am of hearing people defend it by saying all we want is free content.

I’m just gonna kinda abandon the anology. I’m not in the best state of mind right now, and I don’t want to have to keep up with it.

I like the game, but then I have a weird perspective on life. I go see Transformers expecting to see giant robots punch the crap out of each other not a good story (when has Transformers ever been known for good stories?) and I’m never disappointed. I go into a game like Halo 5 or HW2 and expect it to be two full stories and two full campaigns. What I get is two set up games, and I’m admittedl,y a bit disappointed. They could’ve done so much better. Then I see them as what they are (and subsequently what 343 might be trying to pull off) set up stories, and realize they are really good at what they do.

Anyway, point, they should not be main games like they are, they should not be commanding the triple A price tag they come with. They are not worth that. The rotten burger is not worth five dollars, however, the preconceived notion that food should mean something that doesn’t make you sick, is. The burger I was sold is worth $5; the game I was sold is worth the $70-$80 price tags, but the rotten burger I received is not; the broken, seemingly unfinished game I received is not.

They are selling ideas, not product. They are, hopefully, realizing that ideas can be the hardest, while still being the easiest, things to kill.

I’m not mad they sold me the game either, nothing I can do about that. Now, though, it seems like 343 is just being anti-consumer, for no reason. I have to go with what I see because I have no evidence to support otherwise. What I see is a company thinking they can just start milking the cash-cow. If I just started milking an actual cow, with no experience, I’d probably be kicked in the jaw. Then I’d eventually find a way that worked, but at the cost of the cow’s discomfort, and probably mine for that matter, not realizing (or caring, I mean my way works, why should I change?) that there are probably infinitely many better solutions to the problem, and if I stopped to ask, I might be showed how to do it, but who cares? I’m making milk/money, and that’s all that matters. Seriously, does no one have forward thinking skills? Why do they just keep going short term making lots of money now, knowing there’s better, easier ways to do it?

That didn’t really have much to do with your post, Olive, but I think I addressed it? Maybe? I don’t know, I think I did, while still addressing the baseline issue.

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> > > >
> > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
> > >
> > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
> >
> > Good job, guy. You missed the point, just like everyone before you who said the exact same thing. Good job, round of applause, high five, slooow clap.
> >
> > Kinda friggen sick and tired of people like you saying that all we’re saying is “Waaaaah, mommy didn’t give me exactly what I wanted for Christmas, so now I hate her, waaaaah.” I think I’ve seen like only three other people provide arguments as to why we’re wrong that aren’t “You’re an entitled piece of crap, stop begging for more free stuff. You got your money’s worth, stop complaining and enjoy the game or don’t.”
> >
> > If a store has a hamburger and said it was $5 and you said sure I’ll pay that, but when you get the burger it only looks like a real burger. So, you get the burger you take a bite, and guess what? It’s entirely rotten. You can see maggots in you’re hand, and you’re pretty sure you’re gonna be sick later. I hear you from across the room complain loudly to the waiter that ‘this sandwich is rotten I can’t eat this’ and say, “Oh, shut up and eat your food like me. You got your five dollars worth of food. Just be happy they didn’t give you a live rabbid rat.” I mean I’m in the right, right? You paid for $5 worth of food, they gave it to you. They didn’t say on their sign it was good or not rotten, but it’s you’re fault for acting on a preconceived notion that food shouldn’t make you vomit everywhere, or sick for days on end.
> >
> > Edit; Oh God, I sound like Handsome Jack. I feel like I shouldn’t be as vehemently angry at these kinds of people, but if weren’t such di-
> > I should probably stop.
>
> 1. Well a more apt example would be paying for a burger, than wondering where the fries are. You’re getting the burger. You’re getting regular updates, just because you don’t like the updates doesn’t mean they don’t exist, buyer’s remorse exists because you bought something, it doesn’t invalidate the product, just means you regret having bought it, not that you never received it, the two are vastly different. You got your five dollars worth of food, and you got what was promised. You just feel like you should get fries and a drink as well. That is my complaint as far as the ATN goes, it was not listed that you would get an entire expansion, but that you would get missions that expand on the campaign, and the wording there is very specific. The Spearbreaker missions do expand on the campaign.
>
> 2. Now, the argument can be made that the change in the description was made to milk money, but just as it was stated that the Spearbreaker wasn’t listed as the expansion in the season pass, neither was it stated that the expansion was anything else, so again, you’re not being lied to, so much as 343 isn’t communicating worth a crap. and it is shady, I have no disagreement.
>
> 3. Grow your war chest with the Halo Wars 2 Season Pass. The Season Pass delivers regular updates that span more than six months, including: New Leaders with abilities that change the course of multiplayer matches, new Units that add to your multiplayer arsenal, new Blitz cards to collect and take into battle, and new campaign missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
>
> 4. New leaders. You’ve gotten and or are getting them, are they flawless, no, but that can be fixed with patches, and unlike the burger, they don’t simply get tossed in the trash, you still have them. You have gotten updates. You have gotten new units, new blitz cards, and you will be receiving two new missions that expand the Halo Wars 2 story.
>
> 5. You got your burger. The burger has not been taken away from you, they didn’t take out the lettuce, they just gave you a burger you didn’t like. So you complain until they fix your burger, you don’t demand a new burger and a free milkshake.

  1. I have not gotten regular updates, nor has anyone who has purchased this game. “Regular updating” is not every other month or so, and it certainly isn’t missing multiple target dates, nor is it specifying that bugs were fixed when, in actuality, they were not. Nor did I receive everything in the season pass description I purchased (addressed later).

2.) Exactly, it is shady; however, the original Ultimate Edition/Season Pass did in fact list an expansion rather than the campaign missions. To say the missions “expand” the game is complete crap considering 343i’s own wording and admission that Spearbreaker are “campaign missions”, while ATN is an “expansion”. There is a precedent set for what a DLC with some extra content and what an expansion is over the many years. So we’ve got 1.) Change in description and wording, 2.) 343i’s own wording on what they consider an expansion, 3.) Precedent set by every other studio throughout the years.

3.) If we go by this description (which is the newer one they changed it to btw) we still purchased more than six months of regular updating including leaders, units, blitz cards and missions. 343i has since reneged on this as well (yet still hasn’t changed it) in their latest community update stating that the season pass owners will only be receiving support for six months, rather than more than six months.

  1. Yes I received the unbalanced new leaders at irregular intervals and multiple missed target dates. I have gotten updates, but not the regular updating I was offered when I purchased the Ultimate Edition. I have received two or so new units exclusive to each leader which makes them feel cheap. Yup, you’re correct.

  2. I ordered a burger (base game) with cheese (HW: DE), condiments (regular updating), pickles (leaders), onions (units) and I made it a double burger (expansion pack). Unfortunately what I received instead was a rotten burger (unplayable release, with multiple bugs, crap servers, poor balance, etc.), cheese (thank god), they forgot the condiments, my pickles went bad (unbalanced leaders, multiple missed dates), they gave me a few dices of onions instead of a slice (whatever, it wasn’t specified), and only a piece of bacon instead of my extra patty (bacon is nice, but not what I ordered).

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> > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> 5. I ordered a burger (base game) with cheese (HW: DE), condiments (regular updating), pickles (leaders), onions (units) and I made it a double burger (expansion pack). Unfortunately what I received instead was a rotten burger (unplayable release, with multiple bugs, crap servers, poor balance, etc.), cheese (thank god), they forgot the condiments, my pickles went bad (unbalanced leaders, multiple missed dates), they gave me a few dices of onions instead of a slice (whatever, it wasn’t specified), and only a piece of bacon instead of my extra patty (bacon is nice, but not what I ordered).

That analogy is actually far more thought out then mine, I didn’t even know it was unplayable at launch as I got my copy later. Also, to be fair, while the meta is still just the first halo wars games meta (infinite banshees and scarabs) it is far more balanced I feel then the first game could even pretend to be.

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> > > > > > > And an entire new campaign, not a couple of missions, a whole campaign,
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> > > > > > it’s less than half of the missions we currently have. it’s not anywhere close to a full campaign if what we have now doesn’t feel like a full campaign.
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> > > > > So again, just you want more for free? What you feel is a full campaign is irrelevant, the campaign is a full one. Maybe not as long as I personally would have liked, but the fact remains. Up until the announcement of ATN, everyone seemed pretty open to accepting that the season pass missions referenced were the Spearbreaker missions, now that you see a cool new campaign, suddenly you no longer view those as the missions that expand the campaign, and instead want the ATN on top of the Spearbreaker missions. Forgive me if that seems transparent to me.
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> > 5. I ordered a burger (base game) with cheese (HW: DE), condiments (regular updating), pickles (leaders), onions (units) and I made it a double burger (expansion pack). Unfortunately what I received instead was a rotten burger (unplayable release, with multiple bugs, crap servers, poor balance, etc.), cheese (thank god), they forgot the condiments, my pickles went bad (unbalanced leaders, multiple missed dates), they gave me a few dices of onions instead of a slice (whatever, it wasn’t specified), and only a piece of bacon instead of my extra patty (bacon is nice, but not what I ordered).
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> That analogy is actually far more thought out then mine, I didn’t even know it was unplayable at launch as I got my copy later. Also, to be fair, while the meta is still just the first halo wars games meta (infinite banshees and scarabs) it is far more balanced I feel then the first game could even pretend to be.

When the game first came out people couldn’t play half of their games because of out of sync errors and constant disconnections (even in offline play), plenty of bugs, etc and every single game was basically JR, Chopper or Ander’s Sentinels.

It’s a bit more balanced now, but you still can’t bother with any UNSC other than Cutter, Forge and Johnson are trash, they nerfed Anders’ to oblivion, etc.