ATN Not In Season Pass?

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> > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
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> Seriously, this.
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> Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
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> But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
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> You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
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> If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.

Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.

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> > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
>
> Seriously, this.
>
> Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
>
> But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
>
> You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
>
> If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.

It is less along of the of being kicked in the balls to along the lines of healthcare. Those still buying it are fans, big fans, they (me included) want to know the story, play the new content have fun with it. If you are ill and the hospital charges you a ridiculous amount, the next time you are ill and need health care you don’t tell them off because it was expensive. (Extremely analogy, but gives the point). As a big fan of Halo I am excited for new content, but after repeated offenses, perhaps this time I will play other games until this is on sale. I feel its a comprise.

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> > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
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> > Seriously, this.
> >
> > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> >
> > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> >
> > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> >
> > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
>
> Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.

Wow I can hear the contempt in your voice just reading this, but yea you’re totally right everyone will totally buy this just like everyone bought Halo 4 and 5 since Halo’s sales have been steadily declining for years now.

So tell me again how it’s pointless?

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> > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> >
> > Seriously, this.
> >
> > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> >
> > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> >
> > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> >
> > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
>
> It is less along of the of being kicked in the balls to along the lines of healthcare. Those still buying it are fans, big fans, they (me included) want to know the story, play the new content have fun with it. If you are ill and the hospital charges you a ridiculous amount, the next time you are ill and need health care you don’t tell them off because it was expensive. (Extremely analogy, but gives the point). As a big fan of Halo I am excited for new content, but after repeated offenses, perhaps this time I will play other games until this is on sale. I feel its a comprise.

Uh no this is nothing like healthcare actually. Do you really want to see the story? Watch someone stream it or watch a playthrough on YouTube.

Also repeated offenses? So where do you stand on Halo 4 being pretty bad outside of the campaign, the MCC being broken as hell and never getting trully fixed? What about Halo 5 milking the hell out of reqs and more or less having false advertising on a garbage campaign?

I’m a big fan too, but I’m not about to give them 10 strikes before I go crap this is bad…

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> > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
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> > Seriously, this.
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> > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> >
> > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> >
> > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> >
> > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
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> Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.

Good luck with that theory. Everyone in the United States can afford the $20, but not everyone is going to buy it. I sure as hell am not going to be spending $20 more on what I already purchased with the season pass.

They’re also not getting my money on their next game or DLC either at this rate. Halo MCC still being broken, Halo 5’s ad campaign, HW2’s rough launch, missing multiple target dates, not notifying their purchasers of product changes, not holding their end of the deal on the product purchases, etc. etc.

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> > > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> > >
> > > Seriously, this.
> > >
> > > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> > >
> > > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> > >
> > > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> > >
> > > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
> >
> > Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.
>
> Wow I can hear the contempt in your voice just reading this, but yea you’re totally right everyone will totally buy this just like everyone bought Halo 4 and 5 since Halo’s sales have been steadily declining for years now.
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> So tell me again how it’s pointless?
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> > > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> > >
> > > Seriously, this.
> > >
> > > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> > >
> > > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> > >
> > > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> > >
> > > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
> >
> > It is less along of the of being kicked in the balls to along the lines of healthcare. Those still buying it are fans, big fans, they (me included) want to know the story, play the new content have fun with it. If you are ill and the hospital charges you a ridiculous amount, the next time you are ill and need health care you don’t tell them off because it was expensive. (Extremely analogy, but gives the point). As a big fan of Halo I am excited for new content, but after repeated offenses, perhaps this time I will play other games until this is on sale. I feel its a comprise.
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> Uh no this is nothing like healthcare actually. Do you really want to see the story? Watch someone stream it or watch a playthrough on YouTube.
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> Also repeated offenses? So where do you stand on Halo 4 being pretty bad outside of the campaign, the MCC being broken as hell and never getting trully fixed? What about Halo 5 milking the hell out of reqs and more or less having false advertising on a garbage campaign?
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> I’m a big fan too, but I’m not about to give them 10 strikes before I go crap this is bad…

Healthcare in the United States* and it was an analogy that I guess was lost to you.

Where I stand, they all pissed me off. Earlier in this thread I commented on how the Covenant War Trilogy was the golden age and literally once 343 took over they have become worse and worse. Halo is taking the way of CoD. I remember all the midnight chaos for the new CoD and it lived long enough to become the villain. How is 343 not recognizing this trend? And you are right, I will not buy this right away for $20. I will wait until it is on sale. That way I get to eventually play it but not pay 343 fully.

Simply put, HW2UE promised me a campaign expansion which is what 343i is describing ATN as, not SPEARBREAKER.

My solution would be to give it to all those who preordered the UE. Kinda -Yoink- for people who bought it after the fact, but this way they can still make some money and still pretend to care about the fans.

Oh, I’ve skimmed the thread since my last post and what I find incredibly funny about the shills claiming the season pass value makes up for the lie about the expansion (it doesn’t) is how conveniently everybody forgets about how worthless Johnson is, or the fact that we are at the end of June and haven’t had a patch OR new content in how long now?

I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.

EDIT: I forgot Johnson hasn’t been given away. He’s that forgetable

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> > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> >
> > Seriously, this.
> >
> > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> >
> > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> >
> > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> >
> > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
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> Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.

I will not be so you are wrong

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> > > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> > >
> > > Seriously, this.
> > >
> > > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> > >
> > > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> > >
> > > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> > >
> > > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
> >
> > Everyone who has the money to afford it (most people do) will buy it, so you taking your little “stand” is pointless.
>
> Wow I can hear the contempt in your voice just reading this, but yea you’re totally right everyone will totally buy this just like everyone bought Halo 4 and 5 since Halo’s sales have been steadily declining for years now.
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> So tell me again how it’s pointless?
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> > > > Yet here I see a bunch of people complaining about it while simultaneously saying they’re going to buy it. If someone you like kicks you in the balls do you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” No you tell them off so they know what they did was effed up.
> > >
> > > Seriously, this.
> > >
> > > Do I want the expansion content? Very much so.
> > >
> > > But a stand must be taken, and as much as it pains me, I am refraining from getting the DLC.
> > >
> > > You all can say you don’t like what they’re doing, but if you still get the expansion, then they won’t care. The only thing that speaks (unfortunately) is money.
> > >
> > > If you really want to show 343/Microsoft that you do not approve of this situation, you need to not get the DLC.
> >
> > It is less along of the of being kicked in the balls to along the lines of healthcare. Those still buying it are fans, big fans, they (me included) want to know the story, play the new content have fun with it. If you are ill and the hospital charges you a ridiculous amount, the next time you are ill and need health care you don’t tell them off because it was expensive. (Extremely analogy, but gives the point). As a big fan of Halo I am excited for new content, but after repeated offenses, perhaps this time I will play other games until this is on sale. I feel its a comprise.
>
> Uh no this is nothing like healthcare actually. Do you really want to see the story? Watch someone stream it or watch a playthrough on YouTube.
>
> Also repeated offenses? So where do you stand on Halo 4 being pretty bad outside of the campaign, the MCC being broken as hell and never getting trully fixed? What about Halo 5 milking the hell out of reqs and more or less having false advertising on a garbage campaign?
>
> I’m a big fan too, but I’m not about to give them 10 strikes before I go crap this is bad…

I have to disagree regarding Halo 4’s campaign being good. Looking at it from a gameplay perspective it was really repetitive, the ai were actually very dumb and predictable and so to try to counter that, 343I made the melee attacks from the knights instantaneous which took away from and slowed down combat. Each level was very rinse and repeat and probably the easiest legendary run ever.

As for story, Halo 4 has more holes than a screen door. Didact can pick up and theoretically crush the Chief with his “force powers” with ease but he doesn’t for no reason. Some might say that was his “hubris” while the Didact himself is seeming to lecture on that very matter.

Chief being the culmination of over a 100000 year old plan is so ridiculous it’s laughable and doesn’t fit with the feel of the Bungie games or Nylund novels at all.

The Forerunners also seem to have the ability to save people (The Didact) from the firing of the Halo array. Do they do this to save their species? No, they put one psychotic mutated Forerunner in this “super safe”.

As for the fail-safes put in place to prevent the Didact from escaping? Lol What fail-safes? The “robots” that were supposed to prevent the Didact from escaping IMMEDIATELY get converted to his side the very moment he gets out.

And what about these “Prometheans”? They don’t look anything like all the other Forerunner designs we’ve ever seen in the Halo series before hand. Sure there were differences in the layouts and structures of the different installations but they all shared similar styles for the Forerunner tech. Why the heck do we now suddenly have giant beetle like Knights and dog like crawlers? How is that efficient when sentinels can hover and fly far above the reach of flood forms? Why do they “disintegrate” when they are destroyed even by things like bullets from a DMR?

The weapons too? Why the heck does the Chief suddenly have access to a Saw, a new magnum, a new assault rifle, a new Warthog, etc while on board and just after the crash of the Dawn? He SHOULD be using the MA5C, M6G, M7 SMG, etc as well as the warthog variants and everything else from Halo 3.

In addition, how did the Forward Unto Dawn suddenly turn into an entirely different ship? That is not the same rear section of the Dawn from the end of Halo 3. That is NOT the back of a Charon class light frigate.

I can keep going. The point is that Halo 4 even from a campaign perspective is just terrible. It’s like 343 Industries didn’t even play the first three games or weren’t paying attention at all. There are so many plot holes, inconsistencies, etc it is inexcusable as a whole. In essence, I can’t name a single project that 343 Industries did right.

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> I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.

To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.

Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.

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> > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
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> To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
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> Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.

TO BE FAIR WHAT I BOUGHT EXPLICITLY STATED I WAS GETTING A CAMPAIGN EXPANSION

I’ve been a gamer my entire life, and the term “expansion” meant the same thing in 1997 when Diablo: Hellfire came out as it does in 2017 when ATN was announced: a sizable update in content, not two -Yoinking!- missions. The language argument you shills are using is getting really tired

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> > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
> >
> > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
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> > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
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> TO BE FAIR WHAT I BOUGHT EXPLICITLY STATED I WAS GETTING A CAMPAIGN EXPANSION
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> I’ve been a gamer my entire life, and the term “expansion” meant the same thing in 1997 when Diablo: Hellfire came out as it does in 2017 when ATN was announced: a sizable update in content, not two -Yoinking!- missions. The language argument you shills are using is getting really tired

I wasn’t debating the definition of expansion. I was just sharing the information that ATN at no point was intended to be in the season pass.

Grimm said it not me.That said being upset about the wording change is fine.

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> > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
> >
> > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
> >
> > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
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> TO BE FAIR WHAT I BOUGHT EXPLICITLY STATED I WAS GETTING A CAMPAIGN EXPANSION
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> I’ve been a gamer my entire life, and the term “expansion” meant the same thing in 1997 when Diablo: Hellfire came out as it does in 2017 when ATN was announced: a sizable update in content, not two -Yoinking!- missions. The language argument you shills are using is getting really tired

The sad thing is that developers and publishers are pushing casual gamers away. What I mean is that it appears in the future you will need to buy a game, the season pass, extra paid dlc, and microtransactions just to get the full game experience. Kids and teens spending their parents money will do it, but people who work and just play when they have time are going to walk away. When the full experience of a game begins to cost over $100 (some already do), some people will just find other hobbies. I haven’t seen a game yet that’s worth that kind of investment. Especially when new consoles are being rolled out on the same cycle as iphones and you’ll be forced to upgrade to play the best games. Sadly as long as people enable their behavior by saying “It’s only $20” it won’t change. Developers will just milk fewer players for more cash.

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> > > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
> > >
> > > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
> > >
> > > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
> >
> > TO BE FAIR WHAT I BOUGHT EXPLICITLY STATED I WAS GETTING A CAMPAIGN EXPANSION
> >
> > I’ve been a gamer my entire life, and the term “expansion” meant the same thing in 1997 when Diablo: Hellfire came out as it does in 2017 when ATN was announced: a sizable update in content, not two -Yoinking!- missions. The language argument you shills are using is getting really tired
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> I wasn’t debating the definition of expansion. I was just sharing the information that ATN at no point was intended to be in the season pass.
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> Grimm said it not me.That said being upset about the wording change is fine.

That is the whole problem right there. I don’t know how 343 or anyone else can’t see it. They sold a season pass. They quietly developed content that they never intended to include in the season pass. That’s the problem. The deception. Selling a pass while making extra content they never planned to include, but keeping it a secret. If they would have announced ATN back in Jan or Feb, how many season passes would they have sold? A lot less because people would have just waited to buy the dlc. That’s the deception and that’s the problem.

I’m already getting heated again so I’m exiting for a few rounds, but it will be interesting what happens ITT when the next few leaders are as bad as Johnson because 343 CA are too busy polishing ATN. I’ll gladly be wrong.

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> > > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
> > >
> > > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
> > >
> > > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
> >
> > TO BE FAIR WHAT I BOUGHT EXPLICITLY STATED I WAS GETTING A CAMPAIGN EXPANSION
> >
> > I’ve been a gamer my entire life, and the term “expansion” meant the same thing in 1997 when Diablo: Hellfire came out as it does in 2017 when ATN was announced: a sizable update in content, not two -Yoinking!- missions. The language argument you shills are using is getting really tired
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> The sad thing is that developers and publishers are pushing casual gamers away. What I mean is that it appears in the future you will need to buy a game, the season pass, extra paid dlc, and microtransactions just to get the full game experience. Kids and teens spending their parents money will do it, but people who work and just play when they have time are going to walk away. When the full experience of a game begins to cost over $100 (some already do), some people will just find other hobbies. I haven’t seen a game yet that’s worth that kind of investment. Especially when new consoles are being rolled out on the same cycle as iphones and you’ll be forced to upgrade to play the best games. Sadly as long as people enable their behavior by saying “It’s only $20” it won’t change. Developers will just milk fewer players for more cash.

It’ll stop when consumers stop supporting these kind of practices, until then it’ll stay happening. To be honest I don’t see it stopping anytime soon.

The Witcher 3 is the one game I can think of late that has a lot of content for the money and has been extremely fair with it’s player base, there’s probably other games out there too, I just can’t think of any big ones that have been.

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> > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
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> To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
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> Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.

To be fair, their changing the description shows they were well aware of the issue. They knew exactly what they were doing when they were screwing over their customers. Especially because any change like they did had likely involved lawyers and multiple members of their company.

It honestly wouldn’t have mattered whether they intended in to be part of the pass or not anyways, since that’s exactly what they put in the product description.

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> > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
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> > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
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> > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
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> To be fair, their changing the description shows they were well aware of the issue. They knew exactly what they were doing when they were screwing over their customers. Especially because any change like they did had likely involved lawyers and multiple members of their company.
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> It honestly wouldn’t have mattered whether they intended in to be part of the pass or not anyways, since that’s exactly what they put in the product description.

Exactly, they knew exactly what they were doing when changing the description and said its fine to be mad.

Honestly, if they just said “We need the extra $20 to develop more or we have to close the company” then I would give them $20.

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> > > > I bought the UE for the campaign expansion. I would have cherry picked the leaders months after release. I got Forge free, Kinsano was given away on Mixer last week (I got a copy lol) so really, assuming I would spring for Colony, who is unique enough for me to buy pretty quickly, I’d be out $6 instead of $20. Great value there guys, literally one leader hasn’t just been given away! Really though, none of this would be a problem if you just gave us the EXPANSION THE UE PROMISED.
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> > > To be fair, you probably should have done that anyways, would’ve been cheaper.
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> > > Also ATN was never planned to be in the season pass. Unless you’re referring the word “expansion” to mean any expansion.
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> > To be fair, their changing the description shows they were well aware of the issue. They knew exactly what they were doing when they were screwing over their customers. Especially because any change like they did had likely involved lawyers and multiple members of their company.
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> > It honestly wouldn’t have mattered whether they intended in to be part of the pass or not anyways, since that’s exactly what they put in the product description.
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> Exactly, they knew exactly what they were doing when changing the description and said its fine to be mad.
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> Honestly, if they just said “We need the extra $20 to develop more or we have to close the company” then I would give them $20.

But they don’t because it’s 343 and MS isn’t about to let Halo go bankrupt. That said at this point I’d love some major leadership changes at 343. All I’ve seen for the past several years is constant stumbling.

It still baffles me how people think they are owed more, seriously I paid around 80$ so far and will pay 100$ by the end, I could spend that on one good night and be happy. I’ve had a couple of months of great play time, more than worth it. I love this game and want it to keep moving forward. If you actually like the game and want it to cotinue than support it don’t trash it.

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> It still baffles me how people think they are owed more, seriously I paid around 80$ so far and will pay 100$ by the end, I could spend that on one good night and be happy. I’ve had a couple of months of great play time, more than worth it. I love this game and want it to keep moving forward. If you actually like the game and want it to cotinue than support it don’t trash it.

You’ve missed the point entirely. The point is not that we feel entitled to more things (we don’t, by the by, so quit it with that argument) it’s that 343 or MS blatantly misled or lied to us.