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> > > > > >
> > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
> > > > >
> > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
> > > >
> > > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
> > >
> > > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
> > >
> > > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
> >
> > If a leader is only 10 MB to download… That means it was already built into the game at launch. These leaders were part of the original game, but have been cut back. Now they just give you what you already bought lmfao. It’s quite smart on the business end if the consumers don’t understand. Now when they want to release the leader, you literally download the key that unlocks the leader in the game, while they update the game itself through testing to make sure it doesn’t break. It’s quite a funny tactic, but has been used in the industry for years. You can tell their main focus has been on Flood since launch. That’s probably the only true dev work they’ve been doing lol. If they don’t make the Flood a playable faction, I will not be buying as I’ve already purchased the Delux Edition which is basically a vanilla version that had all the leaders cut out of it to make it seem like a bargin. I SEE YOU 343I. It’s such a shame that 343 is playing off of the demand for the Flood which they knew people have been hoping for and waiting for especially since the Original. Such a shady, shady, shady move. A slap in the face for everyone who has supported Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2. GG. I will not be buying anything from 343I anymore. The NEW EA.
>
> Whoa dude…every developer does this. You forget they are real people who have to make money. Bungie did this and DOES this still. I am totally fine with a $20 expansion. That is really cheap compared to other RTS expansions.
Because other RTS expansions feature significantly more content…
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> > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > >
> > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > >
> > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > >
> > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > >
> > > yet it should be
> >
> > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
>
> because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
>
> i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
>
> i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
> > > > >
> > > > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
> > > >
> > > > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
> > >
> > > If a leader is only 10 MB to download… That means it was already built into the game at launch. These leaders were part of the original game, but have been cut back. Now they just give you what you already bought lmfao. It’s quite smart on the business end if the consumers don’t understand. Now when they want to release the leader, you literally download the key that unlocks the leader in the game, while they update the game itself through testing to make sure it doesn’t break. It’s quite a funny tactic, but has been used in the industry for years. You can tell their main focus has been on Flood since launch. That’s probably the only true dev work they’ve been doing lol. If they don’t make the Flood a playable faction, I will not be buying as I’ve already purchased the Delux Edition which is basically a vanilla version that had all the leaders cut out of it to make it seem like a bargin. I SEE YOU 343I. It’s such a shame that 343 is playing off of the demand for the Flood which they knew people have been hoping for and waiting for especially since the Original. Such a shady, shady, shady move. A slap in the face for everyone who has supported Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2. GG. I will not be buying anything from 343I anymore. The NEW EA.
> >
> > Whoa dude…every developer does this. You forget they are real people who have to make money. Bungie did this and DOES this still. I am totally fine with a $20 expansion. That is really cheap compared to other RTS expansions.
>
> Because other RTS expansions feature significantly more content…
I wouldn’t say significantly. StarCraft expansions have a campaign (check) some new units (check). Only real difference is StarCraft/other RTS games take a lot longer to pump out their expansions.
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> > > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > > >
> > > > yet it should be
> > >
> > > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
> >
> > because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
> >
> > i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
> >
> > i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
>
> Well, that’s on you.
actually its on 343 for changing the description after the fact, not telling people and not making it clear ahead of time
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> > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > >
> > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > >
> > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > >
> > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > >
> > > yet it should be
> >
> > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
>
> because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
>
> i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
>
> i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
I wouldn’t have gotten the ultimate edition then, would’ve been cheaper to just buy the DLC when it dropped.
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> > > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > > >
> > > > yet it should be
> > >
> > > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
> >
> > because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
> >
> > i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
> >
> > i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
>
> I wouldn’t have gotten the ultimate edition then, would’ve been cheaper to just buy the DLC when it dropped.
which is exactly what i would have done if they told us ahead of time
well lets united with the gamers that disagree convice the other if we can fight against it we can win make them ether give it to use or lower the price thats more resanable then the bull they are trying to sell use
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
> > > > >
> > > > > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
> > > >
> > > > If a leader is only 10 MB to download… That means it was already built into the game at launch. These leaders were part of the original game, but have been cut back. Now they just give you what you already bought lmfao. It’s quite smart on the business end if the consumers don’t understand. Now when they want to release the leader, you literally download the key that unlocks the leader in the game, while they update the game itself through testing to make sure it doesn’t break. It’s quite a funny tactic, but has been used in the industry for years. You can tell their main focus has been on Flood since launch. That’s probably the only true dev work they’ve been doing lol. If they don’t make the Flood a playable faction, I will not be buying as I’ve already purchased the Delux Edition which is basically a vanilla version that had all the leaders cut out of it to make it seem like a bargin. I SEE YOU 343I. It’s such a shame that 343 is playing off of the demand for the Flood which they knew people have been hoping for and waiting for especially since the Original. Such a shady, shady, shady move. A slap in the face for everyone who has supported Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2. GG. I will not be buying anything from 343I anymore. The NEW EA.
> > >
> > > Whoa dude…every developer does this. You forget they are real people who have to make money. Bungie did this and DOES this still. I am totally fine with a $20 expansion. That is really cheap compared to other RTS expansions.
> >
> > Because other RTS expansions feature significantly more content…
>
> I wouldn’t say significantly. StarCraft expansions have a campaign (check) some new units (check). Only real difference is StarCraft/other RTS games take a lot longer to pump out their expansions.
And sometimes entirely new factions. Also, I know you didn’t say it but a quick search shows that the Starcraft expansions are $20 so he’s entirely wrong.
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> > > > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > > > >
> > > > > yet it should be
> > > >
> > > > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
> > >
> > > because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
> > >
> > > i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
> > >
> > > i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
> >
> > I wouldn’t have gotten the ultimate edition then, would’ve been cheaper to just buy the DLC when it dropped.
>
> which is exactly what i would have done if they told us ahead of time
I wouldn’t have bought the game. I’d have just bought Halo Wars DE.
I think we got our money’s worth on this one and I have no complaints about the issue in question!
I am more concerned about them making sure that we don’t get any more server problems with dropped matches, etc. I am glad to see continuous work on HW’s 2 with more new leaders, maps, etc. Keep the game working like it should work and I am happy!
you just lost my trust 343. plan ahead next time or dont release a seasons pass. there is a middle ground to be found between releasing day 1 dlc and not leaving room for adjustments down the road for incomplete ideas. i wont be purchasing it the same reason i didnt purchase mortal kombats season pass 2 or the morrowind expansion for eso. or any of the DLC for destiny.
im not hating on 343. I’m providing constructive criticism. there’s a very thin line between being flexible and indifferent.
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> > > > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we get 2 missions
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> > > >
> > > > yet it should be
> > >
> > > Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
> >
> > because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
> >
> > i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders
> >
> > i got the ultimate edition just for the campaign
>
> I wouldn’t have gotten the ultimate edition then, would’ve been cheaper to just buy the DLC when it dropped.
Yes but at the time no one knew a major campaign expansion would be sold seperately…that’s the problem. We didn’t have the information to make that decision you recommend.
I’m sure this will be lost in the sea of replies… But I too feel the need to vent about how the game has been panning out since launch. Not saying the game is bad by any means, I seriously love this game so much, but I’m very saddened by how the devs have gone about things. The Ultimate Edition/ Season Pass for this game is utterly a cash grab at this point IMO. If I would’ve known that I could have just bought the very few dlcs I actually like (no banished) and saved to cherry pick what looks decent to me I’d be better off. Let’s be real, leaders a cool, but there’s nothing like playing the same 6-8 maps over and over again… It’s been how many months and there’s no new maps (or planned)? Let’s gets some new maps please… I’m sorry but so much for dlc, might as well have called it a Leader Pass.
On top of that the broken promises about the original release dates for said dlc leaders being later than originally planned. Another minor let down. Not one that bugs me terribly bad, but still adds to the disappointment.
And another bad move mainly on my part was to spend $20 on blitz packs… I would’ve known about how pointless blitz is I’d probably be $20 richer… Could’ve invested in oh, maybe in an unexpected upcoming “expansion”. But again, this one is mostly on me. Not the company pushing for more money for something that is more or so unimportant to most HW2 players.
And finally, the replay-ability isn’t nearly what it should be. Once I reached max rank just a few weeks after launch, I lost almost all incentive to come back. No prestige, higher rank, or even incentives for doing well in ranked seasons… Why bother? I usually just play skirmishes these days waiting til the end of the month for the new leaders [Thank you… For that… Season pass (I guess)] as it’s the only reason I come back
Sorry for the long read. I’m not mad, just thoroughly disappointed. There’s so much potential for this game, but not for the price they wish… IMO
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> I’m sure this will be lost in the sea of replies… But I too feel the need to vent about how the game has been panning out since launch. Not saying the game is bad by any means, I seriously love this game so much, but I’m very saddened by how the devs have gone about things. The Ultimate Edition/ Season Pass for this game is utterly a cash grab at this point IMO. If I would’ve known that I could have just bought the very few dlcs I actually like (no banished) and saved to cherry pick what looks decent to me I’d be better off. Let’s be real, leaders a cool, but there’s nothing like playing the same 6-8 maps over and over again… It’s been how many months and there’s no new maps (or planned)? Let’s gets some new maps please… I’m sorry but so much for dlc, might as well have called it a Leader Pass.
>
> On top of that the broken promises about the original release dates for said dlc leaders being later than originally planned. Another minor let down. Not one that bugs me terribly bad, but still adds to the disappointment.
>
> And another bad move mainly on my part was to spend $20 on blitz packs… I would’ve known about how pointless blitz is I’d probably be $20 richer… Could’ve invested in oh, maybe in an unexpected upcoming “expansion”. But again, this one is mostly on me. Not the company pushing for more money for something that is more or so unimportant to most HW2 players.
>
> And finally, the replay-ability isn’t nearly what it should be. Once I reached max rank just a few weeks after launch, I lost almost all incentive to come back. No prestige, higher rank, or even incentives for doing well in ranked seasons… Why bother? I usually just play skirmishes these days waiting til the end of the month for the new leaders [Thank you… For that… Season pass (I guess)] as it’s the only reason I come back
>
> Sorry for the long read. I’m not mad, just thoroughly disappointed. There’s so much potential for this game, but not for the price they wish… IMO
We are getting two new maps for free. Free for virtually everyone, that is. Regardless of whether or not you own the season pass.
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> When is that? That’s not until Fall though correct?
>
> Just 2 more? Hope they are good… Better than none I suppose.
>
> Also, still not helping the season pass’s case lol
I don’t know when the maps are coming out. I mean sure you could take the “just two” outlook but they ARE free for everyone so we don’t have to worry about split populations.
No one can really decide for you if the season pass was worth it. It was more than worth it for me, though. It was only 20 bucks more and by the time it’s all said and done the value of the leaders and mini-campaign would be over $40.00. So in terms of raw value it exceeded its mark.
you got how many free maps and new content with halo 5 [excuse being used that microtransactions allowed it] yet halo wars 2 having micro still didnt have free dlc for the most part [leaders would be similair to the req aditions added to halo 5]
I mean the value is great. That much stuff for $20 isn’t bad at all. But the quality of it to me isn’t really much more than that… The whole point of a ultimate edition should inculde all the upcoming dlc. It’s not really that ultimate if you ask me haha. It’s all extra cash to the gaming companies. Good on them trying to make more money. But twisting words to make a game look better than it really is, is wrong.
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> I’m more surprised that people expected an entire expansion to be given away to them.
I am shocked too!! What a heck? I am out of this. People is crazy in internet, seriously. I have been this days at E3 with friends and we are so hyped! I get into the forums and youtube and BOOMMMM trolls everywhere! Like they give us a frigging newwwww cinematics, firefight flood, a frigging banished campaiggggnnnnn… wow, are you expecting that to come with the things already the SP has??? what?
