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> > > Wow so people actually wanna get paid for doing there jobs? How greedy that is. What a bunch of jerks.
> > >
> > > You people can be so toxic sometimes I swear, it’s a season pass not a free DLC for life pass like really people just look for any reason to get mad at 343 now, it’s ridiculous. I’m not even a big fan of 343 at all but geez you people need to think more logically sometimes.
> >
> > Wow so people actually want the expansion that was described to be available with the season pass that they bought the season pass for? How greedy that is. What a bunch of jerks.
> >
> > God it’s so toxic to point out the fact that 343i mislead them and then changed the information of the season pass after people bought it. I swear, just because the vast majority of other developers and publishers deliver all of the DLC with their season passes and that it’s a common expectation, they’re just looking for a reason to complain. I really wish people were logical /sarcasm.
>
> 343 didn’t mislead you. Omg you people whine if you have to pay a penny for anything. It was for the first 6 months of DLC which this is farther up than that. They aren’t scheming to steal your lunch money pal, you people got more than your money’s worth on DLC for your 20$ and you complain because you didn’t get basically an entire new campaign for free. If you trust them so little then you shouldn’t have bought the DLC and should’ve waited and only got the DLC you wanted. People saying “no they change the description of the season pass so they could steal from us” yeah okay I’m sure they did something illegal to get your 20$. Some of the halo community has to be one of the most unappreciative community’s out there. Even if it was all true and they “stole” from you then the best way to get back at them and make a statement is to not pay for the DLC and make them lose their money making it. Sitting their saying it was all some big plot to get your 20$ is as bad as the people who blame the government every time something bad happens to them. This conspiracy stuff around 343i is ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous as calling it a SEASON PASS, and not giving us all DLC for free…
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> > Whether or not they have mislead us, in the end 343 still has lost the trust of some people
>
> Agreed.
Next thing you know they are going to announce a Halo mobile card game or something…
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> > > >
> > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
> > >
> > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
> >
> > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
>
> Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
>
> See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
If a leader is only 10 MB to download… That means it was already built into the game at launch. These leaders were part of the original game, but have been cut back. Now they just give you what you already bought lmfao. It’s quite smart on the business end if the consumers don’t understand. Now when they want to release the leader, you literally download the key that unlocks the leader in the game, while they update the game itself through testing to make sure it doesn’t break. It’s quite a funny tactic, but has been used in the industry for years. You can tell their main focus has been on Flood since launch. That’s probably the only true dev work they’ve been doing lol. If they don’t make the Flood a playable faction, I will not be buying as I’ve already purchased the Delux Edition which is basically a vanilla version that had all the leaders cut out of it to make it seem like a bargin. I SEE YOU 343I. It’s such a shame that 343 is playing off of the demand for the Flood which they knew people have been hoping for and waiting for especially since the Original. Such a shady, shady, shady move. A slap in the face for everyone who has supported Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2. GG. I will not be buying anything from 343I anymore. The NEW EA.
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> > > Whether or not they have mislead us, in the end 343 still has lost the trust of some people
> >
> > Agreed.
>
> Next thing you know they are going to announce a Halo mobile card game or something…
the halo wars 2 forums have blown up ATN not being in the season pass so id just like to say some things:
343 I get you wanted to show ATN at E3 for the wow factor like it’s the flood get hyped but announcing a whole new expansion about in the middle of halo wars 2 DLC cycle and then come out and say “Hey here’s the flood yeah no season pass wont include this sorry but there’s still stuff coming!” Was kinda of a bad move
I think there would be less “backlash” If you already revealed the rest of the leaders and the 2 missions and then reveal it would of been a better move imo
So here’s what I think 343 should do to at least compromise for us would be to to give season pass owners a discount on the expansion like maybe drops the price to €15 would be really nice.
Do this happening honestly I don’t but it would be a good compromise tho.
And yes I read about the expansion getting removed or words twisted in another way but come on lets say someone takes 343 to court or something it would be a waste of time just over a season pass.
Will I buy ATN probably because I’m a huge fan of the flood and more content for a game I really like is a good thing for me and other fans.
If you still hate it not being in the season pass that’s fine or if you are hyped that’s fine too!
I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
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> > > > >
> > > > > You see I tend to buy finished games.
> > > >
> > > > We all do. But aside no Flood Faction and no observer/theater mode I would say HW2 is a finished game. What aspects do you consider HW2 missed at launch?
> > >
> > > What was it missing at launch? Everything that has been released since launch. 343 tried to hold back content at launch and sell a season pass then trickle out the remainder of the actual game as dlc.
> >
> > Ok, do you have any evidence to support that claim?
> >
> > See when I make up stuff like that out of my -Yoink- I always start out by stating I’m speculating.
>
> If a leader is only 10 MB to download… That means it was already built into the game at launch. These leaders were part of the original game, but have been cut back. Now they just give you what you already bought lmfao. It’s quite smart on the business end if the consumers don’t understand. Now when they want to release the leader, you literally download the key that unlocks the leader in the game, while they update the game itself through testing to make sure it doesn’t break. It’s quite a funny tactic, but has been used in the industry for years. You can tell their main focus has been on Flood since launch. That’s probably the only true dev work they’ve been doing lol. If they don’t make the Flood a playable faction, I will not be buying as I’ve already purchased the Delux Edition which is basically a vanilla version that had all the leaders cut out of it to make it seem like a bargin. I SEE YOU 343I. It’s such a shame that 343 is playing off of the demand for the Flood which they knew people have been hoping for and waiting for especially since the Original. Such a shady, shady, shady move. A slap in the face for everyone who has supported Halo Wars and Halo Wars 2. GG. I will not be buying anything from 343I anymore. The NEW EA.
Whoa dude…every developer does this. You forget they are real people who have to make money. Bungie did this and DOES this still. I am totally fine with a $20 expansion. That is really cheap compared to other RTS expansions.
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> I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
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> I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
Shame on you. You spit the community in the face. We wont forget.
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> So, after studying the Q&A of the ‘Awakening the Nightmare’ expansion’s announcement article, it seems that it wont infact be a part of the Season Pass, and that it is an entirely standalone piece of DLC for a separate $19.99.
>
> This comes after the reveal of the campaign missions in the Season pass being a mere 2.
>
> Sorry 343, while I’m ecstatic to see the Flood back and excited to play as the Banished, I gotta call shenanigans where I see them.
> This is shady, creating an enticing expansion that you know fans will love and then segmenting it to squeeze more cash from the spin-off because you delayed the next main game. Micro-transactions, Season Pass, and now a separate DLC expansion.
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> It had better be significant to warrant the extra cash.
It doesn’t bother me too much but I do think it probably should’ve been included in the expansion pass that we all payed for back at launch.
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> > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
>
> We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
All these counter arguments saying “Oh, well they said Season Pass only gives free content until June so there’s no reason to be angry about it costing money.” Halo 5 also said “free content until June”. How would you feel if we had to pay for Anvil’s Legacy? It is greedy and unacceptable that we have to pay for Awakening the Nightmare. I’ll be skipping this DLC pack.
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> > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> >
> > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
>
> we get 2 missions
>
> wow such an amazing campaign
Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
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> All these counter arguments saying “Oh, well they said Season Pass only gives free content until June so there’s no reason to be angry about it costing money.” Halo 5 also said “free content until June”. How would you feel if we had to pay for Anvil’s Legacy? It is greedy and unacceptable that we have to pay for Awakening the Nightmare. I’ll be skipping this DLC pack.
Halo 5 sold more units than Halo Wars 2. They’re trying not to go negative…which they probably already have.
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> > > > > > I bought the ultimate edition because of the promise of a “a new campaign expansion”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don’t care that the leaders included make it worth the money
> > > > > > I don’t care that I am getting a “mini campaign”
> > > > > > I don’t care that the new DLC is “worth $20”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The deal I made with Microsoft was that in exchange for an additional $20, I would receive a campaign expansion. The only thing advertised as such is ATN. Thus, I AM entitled to the god -Yoink!- expansion in which I have already paid for. The very language being used to describe ATN is the same that implied it is what I paid for when I purchased the ultimate edition.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Either provide the product for ultimate edition owners, or give me my $20 and I’ll use that to buy the campaign DLC. I refuse to pay twice.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel like this a risk everyone takes when they buy a season pass, you don’t know if the content that you want will be included within the pass.
> > > > >
> > > > > Example: I am happy with the pass because I’m happy with receiving new leaders and Spearbreaker. I feel like I got my money’s worth. You only wanted a campaign expansion and could care less about leaders.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds to me like it might have been smarter to not purchase the season pass and just wait till they released the campaign.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a difference between not being happy with the content that is included in the season pass, that you do get.
> > > > And content advertised to be in the season pass, when you take the risk of buying it based on how it’s advertised, and then seeing the advertisement changing to not include one or several items that were included at the time of your purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I didn’t know what I would be getting with the season pass, but I had some idea based on the description, I remember reading about an expansion.
> > > > Howeverrrr, later I found out that the description had changed, and expansion was no longer part of that description.
> > > > So, I thought I was getting an expansion, but then they changed it so I wasn’t getting one.
> > >
> > > I understand where that frustration is coming from, but the way that Llamapajamas said, “Either provide the product for ultimate edition owners, or give me my $20 and I’ll use that to buy the campaign DLC. I refuse to pay twice” makes it sound like he ONLY wanted the campaign expansion. Because of that I said it probably would’ve been smarter to just purchase it separately.
> >
> > The description seemed pretty clear at launch: We would get leaders, updates and a campaign expansion for more than 6 months. They then changed this description to exclude the expansion which is what was already purchased and didn’t even deign it necessary to clarify or to inform their purchasers.
>
> The issue with this statement is that the description was changed MONTHS before launch. Lego has a whole thread about that.
When I purchased it was listed as an expansion, you sure it was months before February? Because I bought the season pass in late-Jan., early-feb.
Would that matter regardless when passes were already sold and the purchasers were not notified? Not really.
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> > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > >
> > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> >
> > we get 2 missions
> >
> > wow such an amazing campaign
>
> Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
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> > > Wow so people actually wanna get paid for doing there jobs? How greedy that is. What a bunch of jerks.
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> > > You people can be so toxic sometimes I swear, it’s a season pass not a free DLC for life pass like really people just look for any reason to get mad at 343 now, it’s ridiculous. I’m not even a big fan of 343 at all but geez you people need to think more logically sometimes.
> >
> > Wow so people actually want the expansion that was described to be available with the season pass that they bought the season pass for? How greedy that is. What a bunch of jerks.
> >
> > God it’s so toxic to point out the fact that 343i mislead them and then changed the information of the season pass after people bought it. I swear, just because the vast majority of other developers and publishers deliver all of the DLC with their season passes and that it’s a common expectation, they’re just looking for a reason to complain. I really wish people were logical /sarcasm.
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> -343 didn’t mislead you.
> -Omg you people whine if you have to pay a penny for anything.
> -It was for the first 6 months of DLC which this is farther up than that.
-Actually, they did. They had a description which detailed the content of their pass. After people purchased said pass, they changed the description.
-Not even going to bother.
-Except that’s not what the description detailed, as it stated more than six months. It also explicitly stated what was in the pass, yet they changed it after people had already purchased it.
If you’re going to bother responding to people, then I highly suggest you change the way you do so, otherwise there really isn’t a point since 1.) People aren’t going to take you seriously, 2.) You’re going to go ignored, 3.) It’s a violation of forum rules.
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> > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > >
> > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > >
> > > we get 2 missions
> > >
> > > wow such an amazing campaign
> >
> > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
>
> yet it should be
Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
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> I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
Yes precisely.
If they were making 2 expansions, one for the season pass ( as original advertised) then one for seperate purchase say, 12 months after launch. That would have been perfectly fine. What also wouLe have helped this situation is 343 making it clear there was going to be a MAJOR expansion not in the season pass. Any game with a season pass MUST make this clear. Every other developer can manage this, even EA. On top of this, 343 didn’t even tell us they changed the season pass content pre launch. So that those who preordered it only for the campaign ( like you) end up paying for it without knowing they changed it.
If they announced said changes, many who preordered would have cancelled because the product is no longer what was originally advertised, thus avoiding this problem. But they didn’t, because they want as many $$$ as possible.
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> > > > > > I’m planning on purchasing the ATN expansion, but as someone who bought the ultimate edition of HW2, I do feel swindled. If they had given me the promised campaign expansion (my primary reason for buying the ultimate edition that includes the season pass) before announcing the ATN expansion I probably wouldn’t be as upset. But changing the description of the pass like they did and then announcing this so soon, before giving season pass owners their promised campaign expansion, was a cheap move, possibly even shady, and I completely understand why some people will not support 343 after this. I’m tempted to say the same, but I still enjoy Halo too much not to support 343. But in the future I will be warier of any season passes 343 has before deciding to purchase them.
> > > > >
> > > > > We’re still getting some campaign missions. I think the sales of HW2 were too low so they’re now charging for it to not go too negative.
> > > >
> > > > we get 2 missions
> > > >
> > > > wow such an amazing campaign
> > >
> > > Note: “some campaign missions” I didn’t say it was a full campaign. ATN is not the season pass missions.
> >
> > yet it should be
>
> Why?? When you pay $60 for a full campaign. That’s a deal for $20 and more gamemodes, maps, and leaders.
because the ultimate edition/season pass description had it in it
i dont care about mp game modes [firefight seems to be mp only] and care very little about new leaders