Asking for a last Matchmaking update.

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Hello guys I’m AceParty from the French Website Halo Destiny.net

Today I would like to share with you my wish (and some of the European community) for a big update of Halo: Reach Matchmaking!

See what we propose and speak about that if you are agreed or not :slight_smile:
So first I would like two new playlists on Reach, I think this playlists will not affect the other game types too much.

N°1: a new community playlist called “Race”:
This playlist will contain all classic race gametype (Rally, Race etc.) and of course the classic Rocket Race with the mongoose.
There is grifball, Action Sack and MLG in community so why no Race? It will be a great way to play Reach differently without stress and fun for a lot people who just want fun and credits :slight_smile:

The second one will be focus on a single map (I know it’s maybe a little strange but I think it’s necessary)

N°2: Invasion Breakpoint playlist:
This map on Invasion is amazing and now it’s impossible to play on it! I bought the maps and I can’t play on them specially invasion Breakpoint.

So now I will speak about the update of the actual playlists on Reach.

N°3: Squad DLC:
Ok, so the guys who bought like me all the maps pack of Reach would probably think like me, put the title update in this playlist ! for all gametype and at least if the community want a classic Reach gametype too, put both ! I’m sure it will be a lot more players if Title update will be in it :wink:

N°4: Invasion:
Update the Invasion with Title update and put in it some community invasion maps if possible, there are so many great maps available on forge world, this playlist has only two maps two years after the launch of the game it’s so bad because it’s one of the greatest gametype on Reach I think.

So for The title update in Invasion this can maybe be a problem for the elites in some maps like boneyard phase 1 so some tweaks will be probably necessary to the maps like news spawns or more object for cover. Hologram for elites in phase one can be a good idea I think.

So that’s all I think but the priority must be for the first 3 points of this topic.

Thank you for reading me, this topic is only my wish and some of the community but I have discussed to a lot of people who are agreed with me, so please discuss of it if you are agree or not with this, oh and yeah sorry for my not perfect English, just in case ! See you on Reach !

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> Hello guys I’m AceParty from the French Website Halo Destiny.net
>
> Today I would like to share with you my wish (and some of the European community) for a big update of Halo: Reach Matchmaking!
>
> See what we propose and speak about that if you are agreed or not :slight_smile:
> So first I would like two new playlists on Reach, I think this playlists will not affect the other game types too much.
>
> N°1: a new community playlist called “Race”:
> This playlist will contain all classic race gametype (Rally, Race etc.) and of course the classic Rocket Race with the mongoose.
> There is grifball, Action Sack and MLG in community so why no Race? It will be a great way to play Reach differently without stress and fun for a lot people who just want fun and credits :slight_smile:
>
> <mark>Race was planned but never made it, don’t expect it to happen</mark>
>
> The second one will be focus on a single map (I know it’s maybe a little strange but I think it’s necessary)
>
> N°2: Invasion Breakpoint playlist:
> This map on Invasion is amazing and now it’s impossible to play on it! I bought the maps and I can’t play on them specially invasion Breakpoint.
>
> <mark>Invasion w/ Breakpoint shows up in Squad DLC a lot more commonly as well as the Invasion playlist normally, a whole playlist dedicated to one map is not likely.</mark>
>
> So now I will speak about the update of the actual playlists on Reach.
>
> N°3: Squad DLC:
> Ok, so the guys who bought like me all the maps pack of Reach would probably think like me, put the title update in this playlist ! for all gametype and at least if the community want a classic Reach gametype too, put both ! I’m sure it will be a lot more players if Title update will be in it :wink:
>
> N°4: Invasion:
> Update the Invasion with Title update and put in it some community invasion maps if possible, there are so many great maps available on forge world, this playlist has only two maps two years after the launch of the game it’s so bad because it’s one of the greatest gametype on Reach I think.
>
> <mark>Do NOT Title Update Invasion, EVER. Community maps are coming soon.</mark>
>
> So for The title update in Invasion this can maybe be a problem for the elites in some maps like boneyard phase 1 so some tweaks will be probably necessary to the maps like news spawns or more object for cover. Hologram for elites in phase one can be a good idea I think.
>
> So that’s all I think but the priority must be for the first 3 points of this topic.
>
> Thank you for reading me, this topic is only my wish and some of the community but I have discussed to a lot of people who are agreed with me, so please discuss of it if you are agree or not with this, oh and yeah sorry for my not perfect English, just in case ! See you on Reach !

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> <mark>Race was planned but never made it, don’t expect it to happen</mark>

Do you know why it was canceled ? It’s really a big mistake I think.

> <mark>Invasion w/ Breakpoint shows up in Squad DLC a lot more commonly as well as the Invasion playlist normally, a whole playlist dedicated to one map is not likely.</mark>

Sorry but it’s not true and I’m not agreed with you, Breakpoint must be one game on ten games maybe even more, I never played Breakpoint since the last DLC update. At least they should put Invasion Breakpoint always on the first option.

> <mark>Do NOT Title Update Invasion, EVER. Community maps are coming soon.</mark>

It’s a great news for the community maps :slight_smile: but about the title update in Invasion I’m not sure myself if it’s a good idea.

But just keep in mind this, I’m an european player and we are a community too, when it’s night for you, it’s day for us. On reach the day there is less than 15 000/20 000 people on it so what you are saying don’t work as good as you say for us unfortunatly :frowning:

And I still think title update will be great in DLC playlist, It’s mostly hardcore players who bought Defiant & Noble map pack, I’m sure we mostly prefer the Title update.

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> > <mark>Race was planned but never made it, don’t expect it to happen</mark>
>
> Do you know why it was canceled ? It’s really a big mistake I think.
>
>
> > <mark>Invasion w/ Breakpoint shows up in Squad DLC a lot more commonly as well as the Invasion playlist normally, a whole playlist dedicated to one map is not likely.</mark>
>
> Sorry but it’s not true and I’m not agreed with you, Breakpoint must be one game on ten games maybe even more, I never played Breakpoint since the last DLC update. At least they should put Invasion Breakpoint always on the first option.
>
>
> > <mark>Do NOT Title Update Invasion, EVER. Community maps are coming soon.</mark>
>
> It’s a great news for the community maps :slight_smile: but about the title update in Invasion I’m not sure myself if it’s a good idea.
>
> But just keep in mind this, I’m an european player and we are a community too, when it’s night for you, it’s day for us. On reach the day there is less than 15 000/20 000 people on it so what you are saying don’t work as good as you say for us unfortunatly :frowning:
>
> And I still think title update will be great in DLC playlist, It’s mostly hardcore players who bought Defiant & Noble map pack, I’m sure we mostly prefer the Title update.

The Race playlist was actually just an idea to start of with, I was misinformed from a friend when I found out about it, it never made it through the process of other playlists, most likely due to cR payouts.

For Invasion on Breakpoint, are you referring to the Squad DLC playlist or Invasion playlist here?

For Community Invasion maps, bs angel confirmed they would be coming soon, and the Community Cartographers have been testing them in game nights for a few weeks now I believe, won’t be long.
Moving on to the TU settings, it would actually make the first phase extremely hard for Elites on Boneyard and vice versa for Spartans on Spire, it would result in players just crouching and pulling off a kill, combined with the spawning, it would be a spawn kill fest, in fact, here is an in-depth topic on it a member made a few months back explaining its flaws: Please do not add the Title Update to Invasion.

I am from the UK so I understand the population being low at points.

As for TU in Squad DLC, I didn’t comment on it because I would like to see it, especially considering it is possible for Assault Rifle starts on maps like Highlands, having at least a 85% Bloom Pistol & DMR would be a lot faster gameplay.

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A race playlist would definitely be a positive addition, and there are a bunch of solid community race maps. Some even have crazy starting gates, though those don’t always work with 16 players at once. Although I’m not sure if reach playlists are setup to be able to handle gametypes with teams of two (rocket race with mongoose), three (rocket race with hogs), and free-for-all (regular race) all together, since it seems to assign teams before the gametype is chosen. Unless it can randomly pick what style of teams to do, and then limit voting options to gametypes that would work. Example: 50% of the time it’s teams of 2 (mongoose, rocket race), 30% of the time it’s free-for-all (regular races), and 20% of the time it’s teams of 3 (rocket hog). Would need a 12 player max so that 4 teams of 3, 6 teams of 2, or 12 individuals are always possible.

More maps for invasion is long overdue, though a playlist just for breakpoint would feel pretty excessive.

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> I am from the UK so I understand the population being low at points.

Ah, it’s great to speak with a neighbor :slight_smile: I’m French !

> The Race playlist was actually just an idea to start of with, I was misinformed from a friend when I found out about it, it never made it through the process of other playlists, most likely due to cR payouts.

I think it’s really too bad and a mistake :frowning:
There is soccer, dino blaster and golf in action sack, a zombie playlist, Grifball but no Race: S it’s really too bad. In fact I think majority of players want the classic Rocket Race back! In Halo 3 it was fantastic and so fun! In Reach it’s even better now with forge world and all.
And you know if the playlist don’t gave any credits or just a little, I’m ok with this I don’t play only for the credits ^^
The solution of TrueFlyingCow is great too I think.

> For Invasion on Breakpoint, are you referring to the Squad DLC playlist or Invasion playlist here?

Squad DLC because in Invasion playlist there is not enough people with the new maps (it’s more true for us European at day) so Invasion breakpoint at the first choice in DLC playlist will be certainly a good thing and this will avoid to create a new playlist for that :slight_smile:

> For Community Invasion maps, bs angel confirmed they would be coming soon, and the Community Cartographers have been testing them in game nights for a few weeks now I believe, won’t be long.

I’m really happy to hear it :slight_smile: can’t wait to see them! Thanks for the info ! I hope it will be not too long and before Halo 4 :stuck_out_tongue:

> Moving on to the TU settings, it would actually make the first phase extremely hard for Elites on Boneyard and vice versa for Spartans on Spire, it would result in players just crouching and pulling off a kill, combined with the spawning, it would be a spawn kill fest, in fact, here is an in-depth topic on it a member made a few months back explaining its flaws: Please do not add the Title Update to Invasion.

You probably right, this is why I wasn’t sure about that but a friend of me really think it’s a good idea to make a TU Invasion. In my original post I insist on the fact that TU invasion is maybe an error and so not a priority.

> As for TU in Squad DLC, I didn’t comment on it because I would like to see it, especially considering it is possible for Assault Rifle starts on maps like Highlands, having at least a 85% Bloom Pistol & DMR would be a lot faster gameplay.

Yeah it’s so true, I just made a game on Highlands it was horrible, we were at 20 kills after 6 minutes of playing, and it was so slow and boring. The maps are huge so TU is really a need in it.

And sincerely I’m really think the classic gametype of Reach in DLC playlist is the reason why there is less people on it than months before, I could be wrong but I think TU is what every hardcore players want and we are mostly the only one to bought the maps and played them in this playlist.

The alternative will be to add the TU to the DLC playlist without remove the old gametype (100% bloom) and see what people are voting moslty for a month and after 343I take the final decision about that.

Anyway thanks guys for your opinion, please keep this thread clean and interesting like it is actually :slight_smile:

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I like most of your ideas, but unfortunately with reach being this old, i’m doubtfull we’ll be seeing any of the more demamanding updates ( such as new playlists).

First of all, while i don’t actually play race gametypes, i agree there should be a new playlist for it. At the moment the only way to play race is in multiteam and i feel it’s a bad solution because race is sufficiently different from other gametypes in multiteam that many people often quit when it’s voted for. A fully dedicated race playlist would bring in a sustainable community around it to allow for a new playlist i think.

Secondly, a breakpoint invasion seems selfish. As much as i’d love such a thing, reach has already too many playlists and adding another unecessary one would be too much at this point in time.

As for TU in invasion, personally i’d like it. But it’s true i don’t see how to balance it. TU will globally make spartan weapon stronger while leaving elite weapons untouched (except needle rifle). Perhaps giving elites access to higher tier weapons sooner can balance it out, but that might make it frustration for spartans.

And finally, squad DLC TU. Yes. Please. Make it! If 343 feels squad dlc should be the only 2 vanilla playlists along with team slayer, then they won’t change it. But in truth i feel it’s a waste because the type of people who buy map packs tend to be hardcore, and such players generaly prefer TU now. And besides, Reach is now 90% TU. If feels very unsatisfying as a player to haver to switch to a different underepresented gameplay just to be able to play on the maps we bought.

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I’d love to see a Race playlist. I think it would be really fun.

As for Invasion, here’s my thoughts:
343 should just make the Noble map pack free, since it’s been out for a while, and the achievements are available to everyone now anyway. This way, everyone has access to Breakpoint, and it will show up in Invasion more often. As for TUing it or not, I don’t have any preference, as I don’t play Invasion much. Definitely add maps though. Spire and Bonyard are not enough.

I would also love to see Squad DLC get the TU. The sole reason I don’t play it is because it does not have the TU.

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> I would also love to see Squad DLC get the TU. The sole reason I don’t play it is because it does not have the TU.

Same for me !

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PLEASE DONT UPDATE INVASION!! long range weapons are already bad enough for even spammier versions of those to be added!

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I’d love to see a Race playlist, but 343i’d have to be careful with the maps and gametype to minimize griefing and maximize quality.

If anyone’s interested, here are the pitfalls and fixes I usually see in Race. I’d post this somewhere more… pertinent… but we don’t have an official Race thread.

Spawn players with one Magnum, no secondary, no nades. Player Traits: 0 Damage Modifier and Melee Modifier, Assassinations set to Disabled. Magnum seems to have the least effect on vehicles (most guns have a bigger effect – I’ve managed to flip Mongooses off of tracks just by Assault Rifling the tires), and grenades are usually used to troll. Disabling damage infliction without using invincibility ensures that map-based traps still function while preventing griefing via kills.

Maps should have properly-placed checkpoints: since Race uses checkpoints as respawn points, each should face in the right direction and should allow a player to continue. (For example, if I have to build up a lot of speed to make a jump, do not put a checkpoint five feet before the jump!) Man cannons should be discouraged, because they are extremely inconsistent and tend to really screw over players when they malfunction. Devices that run the risk of trapping players should warrant immediate disqualification. (E.x. if a one-way-shield forces a player into a chute, but the shield covers the edges of the chute, then the player can get completely immobilized against one of those edges.) Kill boundaries should be used properly; nobody likes losing the lead because it took them a full thirty seconds to die after falling off the track.

> Although I’m not sure if reach playlists are setup to be able to handle gametypes with teams of two (rocket race with mongoose), three (rocket race with hogs), and free-for-all (regular race) all together, since it seems to assign teams before the gametype is chosen.

AFAIK the game only supports one team configuration per playlist. If they keep Rocket Hog Race in Multi Team and add a new playlist specifically for Race, then we’d be able to have both – but not in the same playlist. I think the same issue is why we don’t have any Infection-based minigames in Action Sack – Infection is FFA (barely), whereas 'Sack is 4v4.