Armor Cores & Artificial Limitations

As I’m sure some of us have either heard or pieced together, there’s a new type of armor customization called “Armor Cores”. Basically, imagine having a variety of Halo torsos and their specific designs, i.e. the Halo 3 base body and the Halo Reach base body, and having the option to choose between them in the same game. Armor Cores, to my knowledge, are basically just that. They’re the base of your armor, and have their own representative style to them. Halo Infinite’s Mark VII is an Armor Core, and Halo Reach’s Mark V B is an Armor Core. Both styles of armor exist in the game.

Before I continue, I should first preface that 343 has not gone out and said exactly how armor cores work, and as a result, everything I have to say could be void and irrelevant on launch day. However as a consequence of that, I’m looking at what we currently know about armor cores and what information I’ve read through, whether implied or explicit, to express my concerns. I don’t know how armor cores work 100%. I just feel as if I should air out these concerns.

To my knowledge, it sounds and looks as if we will only be able to mix and match armors from specific generations. For example, I will not be able to mix and match the Mark V B helmet with the Mark VII Armor Core, and any of the armor pieces that pertain to that Armor Core, nor will I be able to mix and match the Mark VII Keystone helmet with the Mark V B Armor Core and any of its specific armor pieces. Through all of the armors we’ve seen from Halo Infinite, from both the Multiplayer trailer and overview, I’ve yet to see a mix between armors of different generations. There isn’t one circumstance of armors from different generations being mixed together I’ve seen. That, and given the information in the most recent Canon Fodder, it looks as if we won’t be able to mix generations.

Why limit the armors we can interchange? I could understand some situations, for example using a chest attachment from GEN3 Mark VII on GEN1 Mark V B, as it might simply not be capable of fitting onto the armor core without looking awkward. But even then, it just seems like a poor excuse for chest attachments, let alone helmets, kneepads, or shoulder pieces. I feel like it’s an unnecessary restriction to lock the cross-generation customization of armors, and there doesn’t exactly seem to be a reason beyond it might not look good or right. Even that is just artificial.

Moreover, if armor cores lock the armor pieces you can customize, what does this mean for sets like the Yoroi set? The Yoroi armor set is locked to its own armor core according to the Multiplayer Overview(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-O7OuliQRY , 8:40), so it sounds like you’ll be locked to only the Yoroi armor pieces if you equip its armor core. It doesn’t sound that fun to be locked behind those restrictions, and assuming more armor cores will be added through battle passes and events like how Mark V B is most likely for the season and Yoroi is a “Fracture” event reward, it sounds like we’ll have more armor cores that’ll be in the same boat is Yoroi. Certain armor cores could only have a set or so of armor pieces and be restricted to those pieces for some time, unless 343 decides to go and make additions to older armor cores. Some older armor cores could, effectively, be left in the dust until 343 chooses to come back to them again to make additions, instead of allowing us to use any new armor piece from new armor sets that come out with any armor core we want.

If a player really wants to stick with Emile’s EVA

 Helmet, but really wants to wear a new, cool-looking shoulder piece or chest attachment that they think could go very well with the helmet, they are forced into making a choice to leave their current armor core and redesign their Spartan to make that new piece fit, or stay with their current armor core and leave the other piece behind.

To be clear, my main concern with Armor Cores is that they look to pose a fundamental restriction to a player's ability to customize their armor, and the reasons for which those restrictions are put in place just seem artificial. There doesn't seem like there's any *good* reason to limit that customization. My other concern is what armor cores then imply, such as the introduction of newer armor cores possibly being restricted to a small amount of armor sets or older armor cores being set aside to only have an occasional update.

We have a *lot* we can customize in Halo Infinite, and I love that. We can customize so much about our Spartan, ranging from the attachments on our helmets, to how much of my arm/leg I've lost, to even the "era" of base body armor we want to wear. That sort of customization is crazy, and it really shows that 343 have put a lot of work into making our Spartan ours. But while I have come to understand some decisions, like armor coatings, the implementation of armor cores is one of the few things I can't exactly wrap my head around as clearly. Again, **343 has not said anything direct about armor cores**, so I can afford to give them the benefit of the doubt and **wait patiently for some sort of clarification on how armor cores work.

But, given everything we've seen of armor cores so far, and the lack of that clarification, I'm concerned that armor cores are going to be restrictive.


EDIT 8/11: **From ske7ch, via https://twitter.com/ske7ch/status/1420532588851040258 . Thank you to [SirCommissar](https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/29568daf8cd14083bd1b70a810bf3581/topics/armor-cores-artificial-limitations/0b48b364-7c22-4216-a2ca-d6873d3b429c/posts?page=2#post37) for finding this and letting the thread know. 

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*For launch, customization components are associated with a specific core. Sorry we weren't more clear about that. Team is already thinking about ways to open that up and allow more mixing and matching down the road.*
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A part of me thinks that 343i wouldn’t be that stupid to do such a thing. But on the other hand, they just might be lol

It’s really hard to come up with ideas of what the armor core could be besides this…

Huge concern for me too, feel like they have not said anything about armour cores on purpose as, like armour coatings, it did not go over well with the community. They will most likely not say anything about it until launch which hurts me to my core, why 343 choose to make some of the game player intuitive but then implement such awful restrictions without any word about it at all is beyond me. Fingers crossed this isnt the case tho

In the multiplayer deep dive, there are some shot you where you see 2 spartans in what seems to be the customization menu. Both have different armor cores so maybe it is true and you can have different preset for each armor core.

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> A part of me thinks that 343i wouldn’t be that stupid to do such a thing. But on the other hand, they just might be lol
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> It’s really hard to come up with ideas of what the armor core could be besides this…

I feel like that if this is actually how Armor Cores work, they decided to make the decision to keep the “style” of each armor core unique to itself. Gen 3 Mark VII has its own style in comparison to Mark V B, and Yoroi looks unique to both of them. But that said, I still don’t think that’d be a good reason as to restrict specific armor pieces to specific armor cores. Even if it ended up looking wrong or ugly, allowing players to have that freedom of choice in a game that’ll have so many pieces to choose from within its lifespan would’ve been much better than restricting them to specific generations. The pros of allowing that choice, in my eyes, outweigh the cons. Not to mention other things I mentioned like leaving certain armor cores in the dust or armor cores like the Yoroi only being restricting to one or two armor sets while waiting for additions.

I say its best to wait if they’ll explain it, like how they poorly did with armor coatings, but again: given what we know, I agree that it’s a bit difficult to interpret armor cores differently.

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> Huge concern for me too, feel like they have not said anything about armour cores on purpose as, like armour coatings, it did not go over well with the community. They will most likely not say anything about it until launch which hurts me to my core, why 343 choose to make some of the game player intuitive but then implement such awful restrictions without any word about it at all is beyond me. Fingers crossed this isnt the case tho

Huge agree. The lack of clarification makes it feel like armor coatings before they released the blog post about that received poorly, and even after. I hope they have more to say, especially about their reasoning for making such design decisions, as they still have five-ish more months to go till launch. But if worse comes to worst, then we’ll just know when launch comes. I hope that we’ll have some freedom to look around when the flights come, though.

As you said, fingers crossed.

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> In the multiplayer deep dive, there are some shot you where you see 2 spartans in what seems to be the customization menu. Both have different armor cores so maybe it is true and you can have different preset for each armor core.

Do you mean the 14m Multiplayer Overview? Cause if you do, I’m pretty sure the two Spartans they show off have the same Armor Core(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-O7OuliQRY , 6:43). Both have the same “rare” Armor Core, MK VII.

You can probably, most definitely, mix and match armor pieces that belong to the same armor core. To my knowledge, armor cores are just the body armor that you wear, and stuff like your chest attachments are things you can then add on based on your armor core. If you mean presets in the same way that 343 did things like armor presets in 5, I’d be a lot more concerned, but for the most part I don’t think that’s how it works.

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> > In the multiplayer deep dive, there are some shot you where you see 2 spartans in what seems to be the customization menu. Both have different armor cores so maybe it is true and you can have different preset for each armor core.
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> Do you mean the 14m Multiplayer Overview? Cause if you do, I’m pretty sure the two Spartans they show off have the same Armor Core(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-O7OuliQRY , 6:43). Both have the same “rare” Armor Core, MK VII.
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> You can probably, most definitely, mix and match armor pieces that belong to the same armor core. To my knowledge, armor cores are just the body armor that you wear, and stuff like your chest attachments are things you can then add on based on your armor core. If you mean presets in the same way that 343 did things like armor presets in 5, I’d be a lot more concerned, but for the most part I don’t think that’s how it works.

I’m speaking about 7:40, you can see two spartans in the same screen. The one in the front is obviously Mark V(B) with his commando helmet and security shoulders. I’m not sure about the one in the back but it seems to be the the last armor core.

Yeah this is my biggest gripe with the upcoming customization “That we know of so far”

It’s like being given a sandbox at a beach.

This is also going to cause alot of drama I can imagine if this turns out to be true aswell.

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> I’m speaking about 7:40, you can see two spartans in the same screen. The one in the front is obviously Mark V(B) with his commando helmet and security shoulders. I’m not sure about the one in the back but it seems to be the the last armor core.

Ohhh, I think I see what you mean. The one wearing Aviator in the back has a Mark VII Armor Core, and the screen they show at 7:40 makes it look like there’s this menu that allows you to customize Spartans based on a specific armor Core, and any modifications you make to one Armor Core stay when you switch to a new Armor Core. Like, you can have the Commando & Security shoulders on your Mark V B armor core and also have your Aviator helmet on your Mark VII Armor Core, and you can change between the two separately. Effectively, it looks like you can make “presets” based on what you modify.

If Armor Cores restrict customization, having your customization saved across armor cores is at least one positive. Still would absolutely rather have the ability to just mix and match freely…

Legacy armors are returning for new armor cores. You might still be able to wear Mk V B with the new armor, it’ll just be in the new infinite armor style. We’ve already seen recreations of Collar/Breacher and UA Coutnerassault chests in this image:
( https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/community/E32021PressKit/4k_infinite_mp_spartanlineup_watermarked-524ad6c8f5b84372a859ab0a32274926.png )
So the choice is: use the new armor with some old armors redesigned, probably the most popular ones of each generation like ODST, Recon, Hazop etc. or you can ditch all new armor and look exactly like your halo:reach spartan (minus possibly color and emblem)

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> Legacy armors are returning for new armor cores. You might still be able to wear Mk V B with the new armor, it’ll just be in the new infinite armor style. We’ve already seen recreations of Collar/Breacher and UA Coutnerassault chests in this image:
> ( https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/community/E32021PressKit/4k_infinite_mp_spartanlineup_watermarked-524ad6c8f5b84372a859ab0a32274926.png )
> So the choice is: use the new armor with some old armors redesigned, probably the most popular ones of each generation like ODST, Recon, Hazop etc. or you can ditch all new armor and look exactly like your halo:reach spartan (minus possibly color and emblem)

I see whatcha mean. It makes sense for something like that to be the case: Having what are effectively “remasters” for certain legacy armors. There is actually an example of what you’re talking about with the ODST helmet(https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/community/CANON_FODDER_Franchise/cf_fragmentation_lrg-fc39fa6151f0420f862145d1985a490e.png), however I’d argue that version of ODST is incredibly faithful in comparison to the Collar/Breacher and UA Counterassault you mentioned earlier. Of course it could just be the angle we’re looking at and whatnot, but I digress. This sounds like a reasonable implementation of the system if that’s how it would work: bring back some old stuff, remaster it, and slap it on the new.

I just think this system ends up being restrictive for the player when there isn’t any reason beyond style that these armors couldn’t just be mixed together if someone wanted to. The idea of legacy armors being remastered sounds interesting, and as a matter of fact, I think this armor core system would have reason to include the remaster of something on Mk. VII and have its original form for something like Mark V B. At the same time, I don’t think that forcing the player to choose one or the other in terms of having free player expression is good regardless of reasoning.

Letting players have the agency to make the choice to wear GEN3 Recon, for example, or GEN1 Recon on their armor core of their own choosing would be much more preferable. But the concept of remastering legacy armors to fit the new generation sounds nice. Just not nice enough to warrant a heavy restriction in player expression.

With you 100%, OP, but I also feel as though the Coatings system hasn’t been explained very well yet, either. They really ought to dedicate an upcoming Inside Infinite post to FAQ’s about how the customization system really is set up to work.

Will armor cores restrict what pieces can be used with them? If so, will there at least be an effort to make sure the major core platforms have a similar variety of pieces to choose from?

Will there be a respectable pool of coatings for players to choose from to begin with if they purchase the campaign? How much game time on average, or what real-world purchase price, can players expect to expend per additional coating? (The real question they’re never going to answer but I think ought to be asked is why they canned the primary/secondary system for ANYTHING but per-piece RGB color selection).

It is very cool how robust the customization is shaping up to be, but it does seem like there are a number of F2P compromises built in that I’m still not thrilled about, personally. I understand entirely the benefits of F2P for the game’s popularity and health, but there’s a lot about it I haven’t personally warmed up to yet.

This is seeming like the direction armor cores are heading. 343’s lack of explanation hasn’t helped if I’m totally honest. It would really be a shame if we’re locked in with armor generations. Really hoping they add some classic armor pieces to the Mk VII core, like the Mk V and VI Helmet, etc.

It’s the same for both armor coatings and cores, they’re using this as a means to monetize the game. That’s why there isn’t an explanation on it.

This is obvious speculation, but from the images in the blog post, it looks like you apply an armor coating to your spartan, it puts the color / design theme across the entire armor set, and cannot be altered since the coating is “baked in”, as they’ve said before. The coating isn’t per piece, it’s a skin / wrap for the entire body, regardless of the armors you use.

Cores are the base of the Spartan armor, and only certain armor pieces can be combined with it.

Want a different color scheme? You need a new coating.
Want a different color on the coating you already have on? You need 343 to give you a different color for that coating.

Want a particular armor piece, but it doesn’t fit on the core you’re using? You need a new core.

This is absolutely what they are planning to do to monetize. I want the game to thrive and do well, so I’m not too particularly worried about it, but ONLY if they have a large selection of armors, cores, and coatings at launch. If there isn’t, if they charge for coating color changes, or if the exclusive pieces and coatings are dramatically better looking and super expensive like Apex or Destiny, then the community will definitely be up in arms, that’s for sure.

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> This is seeming like the direction armor cores are heading. 343’s lack of explanation hasn’t helped if I’m totally honest. It would really be a shame if we’re locked in with armor generations. Really hoping they add some classic armor pieces to the Mk VII core, like the Mk V and VI Helmet, etc.

Its similar to armor coatings all over again. I will say there is a lot we don’t have clarity on, but when it especially comes to armor coatings and armor cores(player expression in general as a matter of fact…) we have recieved no info, little info, or vague information.

I really hope it isn’t the case again, but if it does end up being the case, at least having some classic pieces on the Mk VII Armor Core would be nice. I think its pretty clear that the Mk VII Armor Core will end up being the default core, so it’d be nice to have that classic selection with the modern one too. Still would rather have the ability to mix and match how I please, though.

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> With you 100%, OP, but I also feel as though the Coatings system hasn’t been explained very well yet, either. They really ought to dedicate an upcoming Inside Infinite post to FAQ’s about how the customization system really is set up to work.
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> Will armor cores restrict what pieces can be used with them? If so, will there at least be an effort to make sure the major core platforms have a similar variety of pieces to choose from?
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> Will there be a respectable pool of coatings for players to choose from to begin with if they purchase the campaign? How much game time on average, or what real-world purchase price, can players expect to expend per additional coating? (The real question they’re never going to answer but I think ought to be asked is why they canned the primary/secondary system for ANYTHING but per-piece RGB color selection).
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> It is very cool how robust the customization is shaping up to be, but it does seem like there are a number of F2P compromises built in that I’m still not thrilled about, personally. I understand entirely the benefits of F2P for the game’s popularity and health, but there’s a lot about it I haven’t personally warmed up to yet.

Oh yeah, I don’t think coatings have been explained well at all. I think they’ve been explained better than cores, which in reality is a small difference, since the cores have little to none information in comparison to what we know about armor cores. We know a fair bit, but absolutely not enough to say they’ve explained them well.

I think all of your questions are absolutely worth getting answers for. We’ve yet to get any information if there’s any benefit beyond the campaign for the campaign purchase(actually, 343 very briefly mentioned that there is rewards for completing actions in the Campaign in the June Inside Infinite news drop, but didn’t elaborate), and questions like how major core platforms will need a similar variety of pieces is exactly the problem I see with this system.

If this is how the system works, there will be cores that only provide one or two sets of armor while other cores have a much wider variety like Mk VII, and instead of allowing players to just mix and match how they want, those restrictions force players to move platforms and abandon armor pieces for artificial reasons. I think there absolutely is some compromises 343 has made for F2P, evidence in that being armor coatings, but I really hope Armor Cores aren’t one of those too.

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> It’s the same for both armor coatings and cores, they’re using this as a means to monetize the game. That’s why there isn’t an explanation on it.
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> This is obvious speculation, but from the images in the blog post, it looks like you apply an armor coating to your spartan, it puts the color / design theme across the entire armor set, and cannot be altered since the coating is “baked in”, as they’ve said before. The coating isn’t per piece, it’s a skin / wrap for the entire body, regardless of the armors you use.
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> Cores are the base of the Spartan armor, and only certain armor pieces can be combined with it.
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> Want a different color scheme? You need a new coating.
> Want a different color on the coating you already have on? You need 343 to give you a different color for that coating.
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> Want a particular armor piece, but it doesn’t fit on the core you’re using? You need a new core.
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> This is absolutely what they are planning to do to monetize. I want the game to thrive and do well, so I’m not too particularly worried about it, but ONLY if they have a large selection of armors, cores, and coatings at launch. If there isn’t, if they charge for coating color changes, or if the exclusive pieces and coatings are dramatically better looking and super expensive like Apex or Destiny, then the community will definitely be up in arms, that’s for sure.

While I don’t want to believe what you suggest for armor cores and coatings, I can’t help but think you’re right on some of that.

I absolutely think that you can’t mix armor coatings. There hasn’t been a single coating we’ve seen “combined” with others, and even then I think the idea was only wishful thinking. We probably can’t mix up armor coatings, and chances are, something like that would end up breaking part of the purpose of armor coatings.

I really, really hope that’s not why Armor Cores exist. It sounds like such a cool idea to have the ability to mix body armor as we please, but if it comes out that the system is also a front that’s monetized, that’ll be heartbreaking. To have that level of customization, where we can have different generations of Spartans in the same matches, but not mix them up how we want to because 343 made a compromise…it sucks. It makes some design decisions like making the Yoroi set its own separate armor core actually look kind of slimy, too. Having this cool set that I can’t do anything with other than just look like that set really doesn’t sit well with me, but it could be much worse if its actually monetized.

As you said, though, its heavy speculation. They’ve said that armor coatings will be monetized, but since we have nothing on cores, I can’t say the same. All we got now is speculation.

I just hope you’re wrong. Part of me doubts you are.

I would love more clarification on this, or even a way to play with it more in the next flight. but put simply the less restrictions the better.

I really hope visors and coatings are not tied to cores. People hate coatings enough already, that would be disastrous.

And I do not see why helmets are limited to cores. At the very least, they should be universal. Sure, art styles will clash - even between Mark V Reach and Mark VII - but I feel like that decision should be up to the player.

We have seen Gungnir on Mark VII. Does that mean I cannot get it on Mark V? Or is it a slight variation of it on Mark VII like Trailblazer and I would have to unlock the actual version on Mark V? We just need more info on it is all.

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> I really hope visors and coatings are not tied to cores. People hate coatings enough already, that would be disastrous.
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> And I do not see why helmets are limited to cores. At the very least, they should be universal. Sure, art styles will clash - even between Mark V Reach and Mark VII - but I feel like that decision should be up to the player.
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> We have seen Gungnir on Mark VII. Does that mean I cannot get it on Mark V? Or is it a slight variation of it on Mark VII like Trailblazer and I would have to unlock the actual version on Mark V? We just need more info on it is all.

There is going to be some armour tied to cores, or it looks that way after reading about the armour kits.

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> > I really hope visors and coatings are not tied to cores. People hate coatings enough already, that would be disastrous.
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> > And I do not see why helmets are limited to cores. At the very least, they should be universal. Sure, art styles will clash - even between Mark V Reach and Mark VII - but I feel like that decision should be up to the player.
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> > We have seen Gungnir on Mark VII. Does that mean I cannot get it on Mark V? Or is it a slight variation of it on Mark VII like Trailblazer and I would have to unlock the actual version on Mark V? We just need more info on it is all.
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> There is going to be some armour tied to cores, or it looks that way after reading about the armour kits.

Oh, I know they are. I just do not know if coatings and visors are - which is my concern.

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> > > I really hope visors and coatings are not tied to cores. People hate coatings enough already, that would be disastrous.
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> > > And I do not see why helmets are limited to cores. At the very least, they should be universal. Sure, art styles will clash - even between Mark V Reach and Mark VII - but I feel like that decision should be up to the player.
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> > > We have seen Gungnir on Mark VII. Does that mean I cannot get it on Mark V? Or is it a slight variation of it on Mark VII like Trailblazer and I would have to unlock the actual version on Mark V? We just need more info on it is all.
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> > There is going to be some armour tied to cores, or it looks that way after reading about the armour kits.
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> Oh, I know they are. I just do not know if coatings and visors are - which is my concern.

Same here. I have been very vocal about this. I’m expecting the worst and I wish I wasn’t.

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> > > > I really hope visors and coatings are not tied to cores. People hate coatings enough already, that would be disastrous.
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> > > > We have seen Gungnir on Mark VII. Does that mean I cannot get it on Mark V? Or is it a slight variation of it on Mark VII like Trailblazer and I would have to unlock the actual version on Mark V? We just need more info on it is all.
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> Same here. I have been very vocal about this. I’m expecting the worst and I wish I wasn’t.

It makes zero sense that they are included. I think it tells which armor core things belong to and I don’t remember seeing that for those.