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> > > Because this is starting to feel like Warframe “pay us about $5 to get a new color palette! Otherwise you’re stuck with the default colors.”
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> > Warframe colour pallets can be earned too. They are often given away at Haloween and Valentine’s Day and other times like St Patrick’s Day. You can buy them for platinum, that is true but Warframe has a good in game economy that allows you to earn platinum by selling items you’ve earned to other players.
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> > It’s not a case of “pay or you’re stuck with default colours” at all. There are options to get them without paying. I would be okay with 343i adopting a Warframe type economy if I’m being honest. It works very well and it’s easy to earn platinum from selling or trading items you don’t want or need.
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> I’m not sure how well a Warframe-esque economy would work for a game like Halo. What would you trade, helmets or armor? How would you unlock them again once you sold them off, doing the same activity that you did to get it? Is there going to be a drop rate for those items in that activity, or is it guaranteed? Warframe’s system is different from the Halo we know, and I don’t think it can translate as well as you might think. The way I see it, a Warframe-esque system is rich for something like lootboxes to roll the dice and see if you get lucky or could be flawed. I think to make something like that happen, you’d have to make Halo more like Warframe which…I think we’re tired with following what other games do.
Duplicates. That’s what I usually sell or trade in Warframe. Obviously it depends how things are unlocked in Halo Infinte, but since that’s an unkown quantity tell me a trade or sale system would be a bad idea in Halo 5 or even Destiny. The grind can be tolerated in Warframe because I can sell or trade for what rng didn’t give me.
In Halo 5 I got so many duplicates and all I could do was sell them back to the game. Being able to trade would have been a god send in Halo 5 for me. As we’ve discussed it depends on the drop and how Halo Infinite will work, but as things are with Halo 5 I would take it right now.
Edit. I do think we need more info. I appreciate some fans are more critical than others, but we don’t know enough about the new system yet. I’ll remain open minded for now.
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> > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
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> Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
Okay you have a point. But the very fact that Halo fans have not abandoned Halo after the countless times that 343 over-promised is a convincing argument that we are at least partially loyal. Yet it is hard to be loyal to a series that lets you down time and time again. Look at what 343 told us and what they gave us. Halo 4 had the worst Halo multiplayer in Halo game history, just a sheer copy of COD. Halo 5 had the worst Halo story in Halo game history, and certainly not the best multiplayer. Halo MCC was decent. But the fact that a COLLECTION of games that were not even made by them mostly is the highlight of their career is rather scary. Halo Infinite was supposed to release this Holiday. It got delayed possibly for an entire year. Halo Infinite was supposed to have next gen graphics, yet they looked on-par with Halo 5. A 5 year old game. And now, 343 told us that Halo Infinite was supposed to have character customization rivaling the epicness that was Halo Reach’s customization. And now we figure out that we might not even be able to pick our own two-color scheme? Something that has been in the series since Halo 2, which released in 2004! You may be right, but to be honest, I am getting impatient with 343. I am starting to lose all hope that Halo Infinite is a fraction as good as any of Bungie’s games. I am starting to get angry. Because we have warned them in countless videos, countless forums, and countless emails. Microtransactions are a bad idea, do not use microtransactions, Halo should not have microtransactions. And do you know what they did? They made the MP free-to-play, and the first thing they announced about it was that it had microtransactions.
Does that deserve loyalty?
That’s my opinion. Anyone can have their own. And I am fine with the fact that you don’t agree. I am just giving you a little insight into how little 343 has listened to us.
Man, everything that can be said about this topic has been said already but, I really hope they come clear their name and do it quick…
Or maybe that might be too much to hope for.
It’s funny how many people came with so many great ideas of how the coatings could have worked, my favorite being able to customize the colors of each coating, that would be at the least the bare minimum for customization, if not instead of being freely able to express ourselves, we are limiting ourselves to what the devs come with, and worse of all, I fear that they might just make content TIMED exclusive, which I would HATE to deal with, because they force you to stop anything you are doing or else you might miss the chance to get that one thing you actually liked from the bunch of things, or just because you wanted that one rare coating to boast about.
For now I just have to wait until something else comes up, everything else is speculation, but I guess sometimes expecting the worse ain’t that bad, specially when you been disappointed so many times.
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> Man, everything that can be said about this topic has been said already but, I really hope they come clear their name and do it quick…
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> Or maybe that might be too much to hope for.
>
> It’s funny how many people came with so many great ideas of how the coatings could have worked, my favorite being able to customize the colors of each coating, that would be at the least the bare minimum for customization, if not instead of being freely able to express ourselves, we are limiting ourselves to what the devs come with, and worse of all, I fear that they might just make content TIMED exclusive, which I would HATE to deal with, because they force you to stop anything you are doing or else you might miss the chance to get that one thing you actually liked from the bunch of things, or just because you wanted that one rare coating to boast about.
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> For now I just have to wait until something else comes up, everything else is speculation, but I guess sometimes expecting the worse ain’t that bad, specially when you been disappointed so many times.
I can guaranty you 343 knew this would be an undesirable action, and I also can’t blame them for not vocalizing that as many people want to keep their jobs. Someone suggested somewhere that this was probably a discussion from the higher ups, so there really isn’t much you can do at that point. Once they say jump, you ask how high. That’s executive orders for you.
But even all that is pure speculation. I don’t work at 343, so I don’t know at all what goes on inside their walls.
I hate how they just keep saying “oh we know some people will feel disappointed about these changes we are making but we are sure they will warm up to them eventually”. That is just like saying, “we know you want us to do one thing but instead we are going to ignore you and do this different thing, and you are going to like it whether we have to shove it down your throat or not”.
I’ve been standing up for 343i on a lot of things about halo infinite, but this is an undefendable absolute trash decision
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> Duplicates. That’s what I usually sell or trade in Warframe. Obviously it depends how things are unlocked in Halo Infinte, but since that’s an unkown quantity tell me a trade or sale system would be a bad idea in Halo 5 or even Destiny. The grind can be tolerated in Warframe because I can sell or trade for what rng didn’t give me.
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> In Halo 5 I got so many duplicates and all I could do was sell them back to the game. Being able to trade would have been a god send in Halo 5 for me. As we’ve discussed it depends on the drop and how Halo Infinite will work, but as things are with Halo 5 I would take it right now.
With Halo 5, I can get that. I would love to sell my duplicates because of the REQ pack system. Not so sure about how I feel about trading in Destiny, but thats besides the point.
But as far as we know, there isn’t any real money lootbox system. There can be lootboxes, but I don’t think that its a system that many will respond positively to. Don’t get me wrong, if Infinite was looking like Halo 5 in terms of how we got our items I would wholeheartedly agree that trading and selling the duplicates of REQs we have would be much more beneficial instead of having hundreds of Carbines sitting in my inventory. As for Infinite though, lest it has lootboxes or a REQ system like Halo 5, duplicates wouldn’t exactly be possible without complication. I wouldn’t be too terribly shocked if there was lootboxes though, despite the reception it would receive. But as you said we don’t know how things are unlocked till later.
I really hope colors don’t get tied to timed exclusivity.Timed exclusives make people feel like they will miss out on something if they aren’t constantly playing the game. I don’t wanna see that stuff in the next Halo. A series of games where, I could just pick it back up and enjoy the work I needed to do to obtain something. Grinding away sucks the fun out of the game.
Lost all hope in 343, you know they can’t hold back their greed enough to paywall as much as possible, removing something free and easy only to replace it with SET color skins knowing the backlash they’d get is purely to make money from it, it’s not about the player it’s about statistics. I don’t even care if i get a waypoint ban for speaking ill of 343 anymore, they’re hot trash and i’m not paying a thing for something that in every other title of Halo was free. They don’t care about you, they have no passion behind what they’re making, nobody would think this was a good idea unless they were in it for the paycheck.
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> > Im surprised the forums havent crashed yet.
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> Last time I remember it was this active was the last Sangheili Rebellion when they had to change the forum so they picked the highlighted post lol
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> Things got a little crazy that week.
Yeah all I see in my notifications is 38 replies to Armor customization in big danger.
I am disappointed in 343. I loved how Halo 5 had so many color choices, and all those toys showed how you can customize specific color zones. I feel like armor coatings are gonna be VERY disappointing. I don’t mind vehicle and gun coatings, but having to unlock color SETS is stupid. I hope 343 does what Halo Online did and have preset colors and a color wheel so we can choose what we want. I really hope armor coatings become a thing where it’s like the dye system in Terraria where you can tint your armor in a different tone. For example, my 2 main color schemes (blue and gold/white and red) plus a flame-like coating can create a cool effect on your armor using your color scheme. So basically that means if you get a cool armor coating, you can make your spartan have a yellow and orange gradient on your green armor.
This is an example of how armor coatings should work. It adds a tint of whatever color you have as your coating.
I also want an option to select areas of your spartan to change the colors of, for asymmetric armor coloring.
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> Lost all hope in 343, you know they can’t hold back their greed enough to paywall as much as possible, removing something free and easy only to replace it with SET color skins knowing the backlash they’d get is purely to make money from it, it’s not about the player it’s about statistics. I don’t even care if i get a waypoint ban for speaking ill of 343 anymore, they’re hot trash and i’m not paying a thing for something that in every other title of Halo was free. They don’t care about you, they have no passion behind what they’re making, nobody would think this was a good idea unless they were in it for the paycheck.
well with the main elements of multiplayer being Free to play of course they are gonna be looking at the existing model of Halo multiplayer and find ways to try and establish a way micro-transaction can be added without stirring too much backlash, like most games/Live service. You have the the skins you have in-game as well as premium skins you can buy etc…
this all seems to be a mountain out of a mole hill and whats worse is nobody here has the full picture of how all of armour coatings are going to be implemented so everyone crying wolf without even checking what exactly the full picture is yet.
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> > Man, everything that can be said about this topic has been said already but, I really hope they come clear their name and do it quick…
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> > Or maybe that might be too much to hope for.
> >
> > It’s funny how many people came with so many great ideas of how the coatings could have worked, my favorite being able to customize the colors of each coating, that would be at the least the bare minimum for customization, if not instead of being freely able to express ourselves, we are limiting ourselves to what the devs come with, and worse of all, I fear that they might just make content TIMED exclusive, which I would HATE to deal with, because they force you to stop anything you are doing or else you might miss the chance to get that one thing you actually liked from the bunch of things, or just because you wanted that one rare coating to boast about.
> >
> > For now I just have to wait until something else comes up, everything else is speculation, but I guess sometimes expecting the worse ain’t that bad, specially when you been disappointed so many times.
>
> I can guaranty you 343 knew this would be an undesirable action, and I also can’t blame them for not vocalizing that as many people want to keep their jobs. Someone suggested somewhere that this was probably a discussion from the higher ups, so there really isn’t much you can do at that point. Once they say jump, you ask how high. That’s executive orders for you.
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> But even all that is pure speculation. I don’t work at 343, so I don’t know at all what goes on inside their walls.
The sad truth of the corporate world, and the same reason I seen people in Twitter compare it to other fan made projects, but we aren’t here for that.
It’s up to us, the fanbase, to keep our voices loud, clear and over everything else: Constant. Because they knowing we would react negatively just tells me that they expect for the uproar to die down in the following months, and it’s our duty that, if we want changes, we keep reminding them of what we expect and what we don’t agree with.
I am all up for the developers and the fanbase to come with a middle ground, though.
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> > Lost all hope in 343, you know they can’t hold back their greed enough to paywall as much as possible, removing something free and easy only to replace it with SET color skins knowing the backlash they’d get is purely to make money from it, it’s not about the player it’s about statistics. I don’t even care if i get a waypoint ban for speaking ill of 343 anymore, they’re hot trash and i’m not paying a thing for something that in every other title of Halo was free. They don’t care about you, they have no passion behind what they’re making, nobody would think this was a good idea unless they were in it for the paycheck.
>
> well with the main elements of multiplayer being Free to play of course they are gonna be looking at the existing model of Halo multiplayer and find ways to try and establish a way micro-transaction can be added without stirring too much backlash, like most games/Live service. You have the the skins you have in-game as well as premium skins you can buy etc…
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> this all seems to be a mountain out of a mole hill and whats worse is nobody here has the full picture of how all of armour coatings are going to be implemented so everyone crying wolf without even checking what exactly the full picture is yet.
Gotta be tough with them and take a stand, even if it’s a small issue, their track record has been full of these silly games, and people keep forgiving them, the huge backlash is good, they need to know they’re hurting them selves in doing these stupid decisions. People need to stop apologizing for them, when they’re now pulling Blizzard/EA levels of trickery.
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> > > Man, everything that can be said about this topic has been said already but, I really hope they come clear their name and do it quick…
> > >
> > > Or maybe that might be too much to hope for.
> > >
> > > It’s funny how many people came with so many great ideas of how the coatings could have worked, my favorite being able to customize the colors of each coating, that would be at the least the bare minimum for customization, if not instead of being freely able to express ourselves, we are limiting ourselves to what the devs come with, and worse of all, I fear that they might just make content TIMED exclusive, which I would HATE to deal with, because they force you to stop anything you are doing or else you might miss the chance to get that one thing you actually liked from the bunch of things, or just because you wanted that one rare coating to boast about.
> > >
> > > For now I just have to wait until something else comes up, everything else is speculation, but I guess sometimes expecting the worse ain’t that bad, specially when you been disappointed so many times.
> >
> > I can guaranty you 343 knew this would be an undesirable action, and I also can’t blame them for not vocalizing that as many people want to keep their jobs. Someone suggested somewhere that this was probably a discussion from the higher ups, so there really isn’t much you can do at that point. Once they say jump, you ask how high. That’s executive orders for you.
> >
> > But even all that is pure speculation. I don’t work at 343, so I don’t know at all what goes on inside their walls.
>
> The sad truth of the corporate world, and the same reason I seen people in Twitter compare it to other fan made projects, but we aren’t here for that.
> It’s up to us, the fanbase, to keep our voices loud, clear and over everything else: Constant. Because they knowing we would react negatively just tells me that they expect for the uproar to die down in the following months, and it’s our duty that, if we want changes, we keep reminding them of what we expect and what we don’t agree with.
> I am all up for the developers and the fanbase to come with a middle ground, though.
We do have quite a few extra months to keep this up. It will be a hard battle, but as one of the leaders of Sangheili Rebellion who’s been fighting for years:
"You have my persistent sword."
I was originally going to make this its own thread but since all the other threads related to coloring/coating are being locked I figured I’d post this here.
Just a theory but if you “read between the lines” I think it may have some merit to it:
With the armor coating scandal out of the bag, I saw a few posts on whether this could implicate the removal of the traditional Red v Blue teams. Now from my understanding of Destiny 2, multiplayer for that game is kept with whatever custom armor you choose across the board. Now with these armor coatings being closely similar to the Destiny shader system, I think it would only be fair to say this might possibly be the end of Red v Blue teams as well and here is why.
-343i latest update to the community said that these armor coatings are in fact replacing the traditional color your Spartan method
-It has been proposed/brought up that you should be able to color your spartans based on the specific armor coating however since the marketing and layout of these are pretty much guaranteed; i came to the conclusion that if you “cant” choose your colors then the color system would be out of the window. IF the color system is out of the window and you cannot change the color of Armor Coatings then there wouldnt be an option in the game to do so THEREFORE if the option isnt there then 343i wouldnt have the ability to take armor coatings and make them into the traditional Red v Blue for team matchups (IE throwing red or blue over top of the coating to represent the team in team games). This would then fall in line with the theory of copying what Destiny has done with its multiplayer system. Hate to say it folks but the logic is there and pretty easy to follow…we might be saying RIP to the Red v Blue teams as well as personalizing Spartan color choices.
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> > > Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an evolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
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> > the only way I see 343 working this out is MTX in the free multiplayer, but if you buy the game, you unlock 90% of the coatings.
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> I mean that sounds… better? I guess. Idk.
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> Im getting the campaign regardless of if the MP is a masterpiece or a dumpster fire it would certainly make the game seem like a full package if you could actually use content you would have to pay for anyway solely by purchasing the full game.
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> I mean that’s still better than like nothing I guess.
I’d rather buy the game and get most of the coatings. True players rarely see them because of red vs blue, but admiring your spartan in the menu was still one of the best things. 343 could pull a 360 and have no microtransactions if you pay for the full game (ofc F2P people will have MTX because they need to make some money back). If 343 completely screws over this game, I have a feeling this will be their last halo
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> > > > Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an evolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
> > >
> > > the only way I see 343 working this out is MTX in the free multiplayer, but if you buy the game, you unlock 90% of the coatings.
> >
> > I mean that sounds… better? I guess. Idk.
> >
> > Im getting the campaign regardless of if the MP is a masterpiece or a dumpster fire it would certainly make the game seem like a full package if you could actually use content you would have to pay for anyway solely by purchasing the full game.
> >
> > I mean that’s still better than like nothing I guess.
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> I’d rather buy the game and get most of the coatings. True players rarely see them because of red vs blue, but admiring your spartan in the menu was still one of the best things. 343 could pull a 360 and have no microtransactions if you pay for the full game (ofc F2P people will have MTX because they need to make some money back). If 343 completely screws over this game, I have a feeling this will be their last halo
There’s also a case to be made for people who enjoy taking pictures of their Spartans and Elites in full colouring. That’s a really underrated hobby in our community.
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