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> > > > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
> > >
> > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> >
> > I’d say loyalty (to the franchise, not whoever is at the helm) would be a good explanation for why people are quick to criticize a change that they don’t agree with. And you’re right, we have the smallest of details. Perceptions could change as more information comes out, but for now it’s very understandable why people are upset. What we have isn’t sounding good. People wouldn’t complain about it if they didn’t care about Halo anymore.
>
> When you look back at the Bungie games, even Halo 4 in terms of having everything there for the player, they are miles behind with infinite if they are taking this route of coatings thru MTX. I love this franchise I’ve played it growing up, and I still do, but I don’t want it becoming another battlefront 2 situation. Maybe 343 made the wrong choice with going F2P, because that would force them to monetize quite a lot of things.
We can’t say for sure whether or not they’ve made the wrong decision with it yet, but this armor coloring stuff is making me think so. Like I said in a previous post, there are so many other things they could monetize (visor colors, weapon skins, even brand-new stuff we haven’t seen yet), but they chose to go as fundamental as the armor coloring. That just scares me that they’re wanting to monetize everything they can get their hands on. I wasn’t fully cool with REQs in Halo 5, but I’ve still bought my fair share. This is on a whole other level.
343 you’ve messed up. This is outright insulting
Based off of Halo 5’s color palette, 343 would need to make 1,770 different coatings to satisfy every color combination. This doesn’t factor in if someone dislikes a pattern or a material on the coating. Too many variables, and too much work on their end to deem it a step forward.
Giving us the option to customize all of those seven layers would be a step forward. I’d even settle for just being able to choose the colors on the coatings.
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> > > > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
> > >
> > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> >
> > The blame still lands on 343 for allowing this to occur. They admit in the post it’ll be controversial, and then decided to give us the bare minimum details as though this is something we’d be excited about. No. You don’t do that, and then expect all the fans to just sit quietly. Making such a change needs suitable justification, and absolutely none has been offered.
> >
> > Even if, somehow, the system ends up being absolutely amazing and we all eat our words, 343 still screwed this up.
>
> Its almost as if they’re giving out breadcrumbs to see if we like them, admittedly they seem to have given us some terrible crumbs this time around.
>
> But its not all doom and gloom just because a couple things we dont like have happened. Lets try be optimistic at the very least.
After Halo 4; the terrible state of the MCC for four years; Halo 5; and Halo Wars 2 Blitz; there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic. I try to be optimistic in life, but after a point, it just becomes ignorance of reality.
It may be a couple of things, but those are the couple of things we know about. If the rest of the game is made by the people that thought this was a good decision, I don’t have very high hopes in the slightest.
It comes to show that games like halo already lost their spirit for the fans.
I really hope that we’re all wrong about this. Please, prove us wrong 343. This is literally one of the stupidest things you’ve ever done. In the scenario that there’s some details that you haven’t shared yet that will change our view, share them already. It’s clear that the idea of transparency with us isn’t a bad idea, we could’ve given feedback on this sooner. At this point in time, it’s too late to stop this anti-consumer trash heap.
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> > > > > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> > >
> > > The blame still lands on 343 for allowing this to occur. They admit in the post it’ll be controversial, and then decided to give us the bare minimum details as though this is something we’d be excited about. No. You don’t do that, and then expect all the fans to just sit quietly. Making such a change needs suitable justification, and absolutely none has been offered.
> > >
> > > Even if, somehow, the system ends up being absolutely amazing and we all eat our words, 343 still screwed this up.
> >
> > Its almost as if they’re giving out breadcrumbs to see if we like them, admittedly they seem to have given us some terrible crumbs this time around.
> >
> > But its not all doom and gloom just because a couple things we dont like have happened. Lets try be optimistic at the very least.
>
> After Halo 4; the terrible state of the MCC for four years; Halo 5; and Halo Wars 2 Blitz; there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic. I try to be optimistic in life, but after a point, it just becomes ignorance of reality.
>
> It may be a couple of things, but those are the couple of things we know about. If the rest of the game is made by the people that thought this was a good decision, I don’t have very high hopes in the slightest.
Well okay I guess have fun being a miserable -Yoink!- (/s) if you want its none of my business Im just trying to not drag people into apathy because apathy is the worst.
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> > > > not really bothered about the colour schemes as long as they are diverse enough and somehow achievable in-game I’m happy.
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> > > Yea, I see what you mean.The point is, for many many people, they like to have a specific armor color. It’s a form of expression for them. Also taking it away being such a simple thing just seems shady.
> >
> > I know what you mean but everyone is overreacting as usual with the latest community update I’ve just read it and a huge plus now that they’ve got rid of primary/secondary colours i hope is that they give the player the option to change the pattern/material for those much akin to Anthems way of customising their character
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> Or, and hear me out, we could have had the option to change our armour colour and the pattern/material - thus allowing for greater player identity, as they claimed they wanted to support and encourage.
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> Virtually no one would complain if that were the case, and if this wasn’t all about sucking every penny out of the players, it would be the case. If it wasn’t about sucking every penny out of the players, we would be able to customise each of the 7 armour layers of the skins.
That actually sounds pretty good tbh, all things considered.
I mean there are worse systems I suppose
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> Based off of Halo 5’s color palette, 343 would need to make 1,770 different coatings to satisfy every color combination. This doesn’t factor in if someone dislikes a pattern or a material on the coating. Too many variables, and too much work on their end to deem it a step forward.
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> Giving us the option to customize all of those seven layers would be a step forward. I’d even settle for just being able to choose the colors on the coatings.
Isn’t it 3600? A simple 60x60?
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> Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an evolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
I understand why people are upset(Im too) that we cant pick the colors for our Spartans. Hopefully the first two color pieces are an early unlockable.
Is a mess-up decision to take away that player expression that we had for years but I think people are overreacting about this. At the end of the Day we are all going to be Red / Blue in Matchmaking (except for FFA and sometimes Infection when the survivors are not yellow.).
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> > > > > > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> > > >
> > > > The blame still lands on 343 for allowing this to occur. They admit in the post it’ll be controversial, and then decided to give us the bare minimum details as though this is something we’d be excited about. No. You don’t do that, and then expect all the fans to just sit quietly. Making such a change needs suitable justification, and absolutely none has been offered.
> > > >
> > > > Even if, somehow, the system ends up being absolutely amazing and we all eat our words, 343 still screwed this up.
> > >
> > > Its almost as if they’re giving out breadcrumbs to see if we like them, admittedly they seem to have given us some terrible crumbs this time around.
> > >
> > > But its not all doom and gloom just because a couple things we dont like have happened. Lets try be optimistic at the very least.
> >
> > After Halo 4; the terrible state of the MCC for four years; Halo 5; and Halo Wars 2 Blitz; there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic. I try to be optimistic in life, but after a point, it just becomes ignorance of reality.
> >
> > It may be a couple of things, but those are the couple of things we know about. If the rest of the game is made by the people that thought this was a good decision, I don’t have very high hopes in the slightest.
>
> Well okay I guess have fun being a miserable -Yoink!- (/s) if you want its none of my business Im just trying to not drag people into apathy because apathy is the worst.
…Do you even know what apathy means? I’d recommend checking its definition either via a search engine, or by playing Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords.
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> I agree with both of you. I was just saying that I think the real issue is being obfuscated, which both of you articulated well. The real issue is the false promises and the mircrotransactions, not just a feature being removed.
No, it’s pretty much both.
If 343 had just silently removed color customization, without replacing it by a monetized coating system, people would still have been upset. Not to the same degree, but it’s another step backwards, after removal of playable Elites in 4 and individually selectable shoulders/arms/feet in 5.
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> Based off of Halo 5’s color palette, 343 would need to make 1,770 different coatings to satisfy every color combination. This doesn’t factor in if someone dislikes a pattern or a material on the coating. Too many variables, and too much work on their end to deem it a step forward.
>
> Giving us the option to customize all of those seven layers would be a step forward. I’d even settle for just being able to choose the colors on the coatings.
1,770 possible microtransactions though.
Like you said, I think it’s great they are going beyond just the primary, secondary tertiary colours BUT what’s the point of adding in a feature if we can’t control it. This is as bad or worse than loot boxes. This is a feature so basic that’s it has been in the Halo since 2001 and I think most people probably don’t bat an eye at it because they expect it to be in the game.
I’ve been mostly optimistic about Infinite (despite my disappointment with the removal of the classic shotgun - RIP Infection among some other stuff, mainly graphical) BUT THIS. THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE SLAP IN THE FACE of EVERY HALO FAN out there (both longtime fans since the beginning and those who joined in at Reach or the Reclaimer Saga) .
People might say we are being entitled but I think it’s important that we make noise
- It worked for Battlefront 2 and that was EA - who imo has been more greedy than 343/Microsoft has ever been though I guess it took a little word from the Disney mouse - We need to draw the line here. Sony wants to charge $70 for next gen games. 2K wants to charge $70 for next-gen rehashed sports games with ads and lootboxes. And no, don’t believe what the suits say about games becoming more expensive. Almost none of that money is going to the actual programmers and instead is for the suits to give themselves nice bonuses. - A bad look for Xbox (both the console and brand) - Phil Spencer’s really turned Xbox around and is making it very consumer-friendly and more about what you play rather than where (Gamepass). However, this sort of stuff is the exact kind of stuff that everyone was worried about with GamePass and it’s probably even worse than our worse fears.343, if you are reading these forum posts (I’m sure you are), I would really examine the risk-reward of this sleeping PR monster. I really really want to believe that this was just a poorly explained foreign post that needs clarification, but if you guys legit are planning to do this, well I’m truly at a loss for words to describe the calamity of it all.
The handling of Infinite’s drip of information is like a middle schooler locking his arms by his sides to hide the fact he forgot to put on deodorant that morning…it is awkward, creates a bigger problem, and everyone still gets whiffs of a foul smell.
What really needs to be done is to fling those arms open, get some air flow, and do a little scrubbing with soap and water (open community discussion/interaction).
And I may or may not have been that middle schooler 15 years ago…
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> > > > > > > I think that the fact that this thread has exploded in popularity is proof to 343 that just about the entire Halo community thinks this is a TERRIBLE idea. Yet I almost feel like 343 cares more about the fans they hope to win through this game then the loyal fans who stuck with Halo despite their shortcomings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> > > > >
> > > > > The blame still lands on 343 for allowing this to occur. They admit in the post it’ll be controversial, and then decided to give us the bare minimum details as though this is something we’d be excited about. No. You don’t do that, and then expect all the fans to just sit quietly. Making such a change needs suitable justification, and absolutely none has been offered.
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if, somehow, the system ends up being absolutely amazing and we all eat our words, 343 still screwed this up.
> > > >
> > > > Its almost as if they’re giving out breadcrumbs to see if we like them, admittedly they seem to have given us some terrible crumbs this time around.
> > > >
> > > > But its not all doom and gloom just because a couple things we dont like have happened. Lets try be optimistic at the very least.
> > >
> > > After Halo 4; the terrible state of the MCC for four years; Halo 5; and Halo Wars 2 Blitz; there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic. I try to be optimistic in life, but after a point, it just becomes ignorance of reality.
> > >
> > > It may be a couple of things, but those are the couple of things we know about. If the rest of the game is made by the people that thought this was a good decision, I don’t have very high hopes in the slightest.
> >
> > Well okay I guess have fun being a miserable -Yoink!- (/s) if you want its none of my business Im just trying to not drag people into apathy because apathy is the worst.
>
> …Do you even know what apathy mean? I’d recommend checking its definition either via a search engine, or by playing Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords.
Well you do seem rather apathetic in general? Cant blame you if you are this years -Yoinking!- miserable as is tbf.
But I do know what it means or else I wouldn’t have said it.
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> > Meh, it affects so little about the game. I understand people want to keep things that have always been a part of the game but it’s just not feasible in an evolving franchise. If having cosmetics like this enable it being FTP, I’m on board.
>
> I understand why people are upset(Im too) that we cant pick the colors for our Spartans. Hopefully the first two color pieces are an early unlockable.
>
> Is a mess-up decision to take away that player expression that we had for years but I think people are overreacting about this. At the end of the Day we are all going to be Red / Blue in Matchmaking (except for FFA and sometimes Infection when the survivors are not yellow.).
It’s more so the principle of the decision that has us up in arms, as it’s utterly ridiculous to remove a feature that has been in the franchise since Day 1 of Halo CE. However, players have also had their own identity for their Spartan since Halo 2, and now, 343 have thrown that commitment back in our faces. That’s not how you treat your loyal customers if you want them to remain loyal.
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> > I agree with both of you. I was just saying that I think the real issue is being obfuscated, which both of you articulated well. The real issue is the false promises and the mircrotransactions, not just a feature being removed.
>
> No, it’s pretty much both.
> If 343 had just silently removed color customization, without replacing it by a monetized coating system, people would still have been upset. Not to the same degree, but it’s another step backwards, after removal of playable Elites in 4 and individually selectable shoulders/arms/feet in 5.
I’m not saying it’s not a problem, just that the false promises and microtransactions are why the community is so enraged. If coatings weren’t monetized the blowback would have been minimal, but that’s just my opinion and we’ll never know because 343i chose to monetize them.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, because “loyal” fans blow their gasket before they even understand how the system will work? We have the smallest of details and already this thread is embarrassing. If “loyal” means quick to criticize with no intention to learn more, then yeah, Halo has a very loyal fanbase!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The blame still lands on 343 for allowing this to occur. They admit in the post it’ll be controversial, and then decided to give us the bare minimum details as though this is something we’d be excited about. No. You don’t do that, and then expect all the fans to just sit quietly. Making such a change needs suitable justification, and absolutely none has been offered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even if, somehow, the system ends up being absolutely amazing and we all eat our words, 343 still screwed this up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Its almost as if they’re giving out breadcrumbs to see if we like them, admittedly they seem to have given us some terrible crumbs this time around.
> > > > >
> > > > > But its not all doom and gloom just because a couple things we dont like have happened. Lets try be optimistic at the very least.
> > > >
> > > > After Halo 4; the terrible state of the MCC for four years; Halo 5; and Halo Wars 2 Blitz; there is absolutely no reason to be optimistic. I try to be optimistic in life, but after a point, it just becomes ignorance of reality.
> > > >
> > > > It may be a couple of things, but those are the couple of things we know about. If the rest of the game is made by the people that thought this was a good decision, I don’t have very high hopes in the slightest.
> > >
> > > Well okay I guess have fun being a miserable -Yoink!- (/s) if you want its none of my business Im just trying to not drag people into apathy because apathy is the worst.
> >
> > …Do you even know what apathy mean? I’d recommend checking its definition either via a search engine, or by playing Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords.
>
> Well you do seem rather apathetic in general? Cant blame you if you are this years -Yoinking!- miserable as is tbf.
>
> But I do know what it means or else I wouldn’t have said it.
You clearly don’t though, because if I was apathetic, I wouldn’t care in the slightest. The fact that I’m typing out text on an online forum, expressing my thoughts, is the exact opposite of apathy.
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> >
> > No, it’s pretty much both.
> > If 343 had just silently removed color customization, without replacing it by a monetized coating system, people would still have been upset. Not to the same degree, but it’s another step backwards, after removal of playable Elites in 4 and individually selectable shoulders/arms/feet in 5.
>
> I’m not saying it’s not a problem, just that the false promises and microtransactions are why the community is so enraged. If coatings weren’t monetized the blowback would have been minimal, but that’s just my opinion and we’ll never know because 343i chose to monetize them.
That’s obviously a given. We now have two things the community is upset about rather than one, of course the outrage is larger. But that doesn’t mean that people would just have swallowed the bitter pill if it had been only one of those, they didn’t in 4 and 5 either. This is not speculative, there is precedence.
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> >
> > Giving us the option to customize all of those seven layers would be a step forward. I’d even settle for just being able to choose the colors on the coatings.
>
> Isn’t it 3600? A simple 60x60?
I used this website Combinations Calculator (nCr)
n=60 total colors in h5
r=2 for the primary and secondary slots